The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

It definitely has the feel of a hostage negotiation, "Agree or da dreamers get whacked"! Next Trump will try mass deportations of dreamers (the courts might stop it though). Bullying and extortion are the only way Trump knows how to negotiate so don't be surprised if he tries to make innocent people suffer so he can get a "win".

Oh well, Canada is always on the look out for high quality immigrants, let's see: they speak English already, many are highly educated (thanks Uncle Sam), are culturally assimilated, security cleared and the vast majority are young folks who won't burden the health care system and who will produce even more new Canadians! I'm sure the government of Canada will skim off the top 30% real quick (probably more), it would be a smart move, sorry but if America elected an idiot as POTUS we are gonna take advantage of the fool.
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Trump proposes extending DACA, TPS protections in exchange for wall funding
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/politics/house-democrats-border-security-funding-trump/index.html

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump proposed extending protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals recipients and individuals with Temporary Protected Status in exchange for border wall funding in remarks Saturday afternoon. The proposed deal, however, will likely be dead on arrival due to a lack of support from Democrats.

The President's latest offer links his demand for $5.7 billion for a border wall to the BRIDGE Act, legislation that would extend protections for so-called "Dreamers," undocumented immigrants who arrived in the US as children and are covered by the DACA program.
The compromise proposal would also allow immigrants covered by Temporary Protected Status -- some of whose protections Trump has rescinded -- to remain in the country.
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who ever replaces trump has his work cut out for him.....the whole first year should be restoring funding to the national parks, NPR, NASA, and all the other good programs he's fucked up. it should be taking back the tax cuts for rich fucks and redistributing them where they belong, to people who work their asses off for those rich people and get fucked by them. it should be dismissing all the stupid, ignorant, unqualified ambassadors and other appointments, and replacing them with qualified, intelligent, motivated people. it should be scrapping trumps trade "plan".....and basically renegotiating NAFTA...it should be reaffirming our commitment to NATO....it should be shoring up ties with estranged allies...allies that were estranged by trump.....and finally, it should be spent piling sanction after sanction on putin's head...till his neck snaps

Roger A. Shrubber said:

who ever replaces trump has his work cut out for him.....the whole first year should be restoring funding to the national parks, NPR, NASA, and all the other good programs he's fucked up. it should be taking back the tax cuts for rich fucks and redistributing them where they belong, to people who work their asses off for those rich people and get fucked by them. it should be dismissing all the stupid, ignorant, unqualified ambassadors and other appointments, and replacing them with qualified, intelligent, motivated people. it should be scrapping trumps trade "plan".....and basically renegotiating NAFTA...it should be reaffirming our commitment to NATO....it should be shoring up ties with estranged allies...allies that were estranged by trump.....and finally, it should be spent piling sanction after sanction on putin's head...till his neck snaps

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If only we had the help of the "american" or "dutch" oil industry.

there's a difference?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

there's a difference?

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Well when Clinton gave away the gulf reserves the dutch were compelled to offer .25 per bbl. to the American People. .25 more then their stateside cohorts.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

who ever replaces trump has his work cut out for him....

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A very similar thing was said in 1976, and 1992, and 2008 ...


Does anyone see a pattern?

HERE ARE THE POTENTIAL CRIMINAL CHARGES TRUMP IS FACING SO FAR
BY RAMSEY TOUCHBERRY ON 1/19/19 AT 12:22 PM

https://www.newsweek.com/possible-criminal-charges-continue-grow-trump-over-report-he-told-michael-1298108

Thursday night’s bombshell report by Buzzfeed News that President Donald Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress–under oath–over negotiations with Russia about a Trump Tower project in Moscow during the 2016 campaign could amount to several obstruction of justice charges.

And the way the president has been publicly handling news surrounding Cohen, his former attorney and “fixer,” is only making matters worse. In addition to obstruction of justice and suborning perjury, the president is wading into the territory of witness tampering, former federal prosecutors tell Newsweek.

“It is all of those,” said Nick Akerman, a partner at Dorsey & Whitney and a former assistant special Watergate prosecutor. He’s also a former assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, the same district in which Cohen’s court proceedings and guilty pleas have unfolded over the past months.

Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, agreed, telling Newsweek that “even under [Attorney General Nominee] William Barr’s narrow interpretation,” the alleged actions would, at the very least, amount to obstruction of justice “because Trump would be concealing evidence as opposed to directing subordinates to stop investigating…The first article of impeachment against President Nixon was for obstructing justice by efforts to conceal evidence, the same allegation that we have here.”
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rollitup said:

A very similar thing was said in 1976, and 1992, and 2008 ...


Does anyone see a pattern?

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Donald did fuck things up more than average though and it will take awhile to undo the damage, if ever.

The end of Trump? - The Fifth Estate
With a new Congress in office, the talk of impeachment in the air, and the Mueller inquiry closing in, Donald Trump’s days as POTUS may be numbered. Or are they?

Mueller looks into Trump campaign's NRA ties
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team has expressed interest in the Trump campaign's relationship with the National Rifle Association during the 2016 campaign.
"When I was interviewed by the special counsel's office, I was asked about the Trump campaign and our dealings with the NRA," Sam Nunberg, a former Trump campaign aide, told CNN.
The special counsel's team was curious to learn more about how Donald Trump and his operatives first formed a relationship with the NRA and how Trump wound up speaking at the group's annual meeting in 2015, just months before announcing his presidential bid, Nunberg said.
Nunberg's interview with Mueller's team in February 2018 offers the first indication that the special counsel has been probing the Trump campaign's ties to the powerful gun-rights group. As recently as about a month ago, Mueller's investigators were still raising questions about the relationship between the campaign and the gun group. CNN's Sara Murray reports.

Trump is out for no one but himself and whoever will help him at that moment.

He's not leaving office one minute before January 20, 2021- if we're lucky.

ttystikk said:

Trump is out for no one but himself and whoever will help him at that moment.

He's not leaving office one minute before January 20, 2021- if we're lucky.

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He might not have a choice about that, if not the GOP is finished as a national party and the right will probably split and be out of power for a generation. America is moving to the left and so is the democratic party, if HR1 becomes law there will be no looking back.

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He might not have a choice about that, if not the GOP is finished as a national party and the right will probably split and be out of power for a generation. America is moving to the left and so is the democratic party, if HR1 becomes law there will be no looking back.

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What's HR1 and why do you think the Supreme Court in its current configuration would let it stand?

Maybe the SCOTUS has seen Trump and the Russian use of dark money through the NRA and has a change in attitude about some things.

Here is HR1 and it's a legitimate first step to reclaiming your federal government. Sometimes it's a lot easier to reform than to revolt, especially if the majority of people agree. This is the first bill the democrats are introducing, the first bill the GOP introduced in 2016 was to allow crazy people to buy guns, there is a difference between the parties now. Clinton's loss saw the decline of the corporate democrats and the rise of the progressives in the party. Bill Clinton lead the corporate democrats and erased the difference between democrats and GOP and made folks rightly cynical about politics.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/30/18118158/house-democrats-anti-corruption-bill-hr-1-pelosi

If you have government by the highest bidder, then the buyer might not be an American, it might even be an enemy.

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What's HR1 and why do you think the Supreme Court in its current configuration would let it stand?

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You want big money out of elections, but you don't know what HR1 is.
Low information voters

i think hr1 is a great idea....but it'll have to be shoved down their throat with a stick, and then it'll have to be enforced mercilessly for it to have any effect at all......they'll have to establish an arm of law enforcement to make sure it gets enforced....perhaps a combination of secret service, IRS, and FBI personnel, with the ability to examine tax and financial records, and look into possible criminal activities....i see it becoming one of the larger branches of law enforcement....for a couple of generations, anyway

i know this is a fantasy...but government service should be a compulsory thing that happens to you...decided by algorithms in computers....with absolutely no human choice involved.
"candidates" would have no serious criminal record, a history of public service, an I.Q. above a certain level, good physical and mental makeups....
no more time wasting campaigns, no more opportunity for big business to buy politicians, no more psychos like fucking trump.....
but no...we'd rather have popularity contests where we get to pick the crooked fuck we like best to steal from us for the next 4 years.......

Have fun playing with yourselves. He is never getting impeached.

probably not....much more likely is he'll get shot in the head, and all his followers will make him a martyr, so they can keep spreading his hate, racism, and misogyny, even after he's dead

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Have fun playing with yourselves. He is never getting impeached.

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first intelligent thing you've posted. the Senate has too many pussy Repubs to do it even if the House impeaches him.

he will do prison time though after he's out in 2020