The Dons' Organic Garden

DonTesla

DonTesla

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Hey everyone! !
Did you know?

- making just 1 litre of Lacto Bacillus rich rice wash / whey can produce an astounding 26, 800L of 'lacto-inoculated water' in the end !?

Damn..

that is after cutting with milk and max sugar and then of course water, which multiplies it by 10 (the milk) then 2 (the sugar) then 20 (the water, first time) & then 67, (water again if doing 1Tbsp stable serum per L)

Of course, if doing half the sugar and twice the stable serum in the lacto water, those numbers would decrease by 4x or 400% but even at that, 6 700 L of lacto water is nothing to laugh at. Until you incorporate that into your organic arsenal, cause it only costs the price of 10L of good milk, (raw unpasteurized for example, although normal will do) and 5 to 10 L of high quality unrefined sugar, and a bit of bran or rice Call it under $20 for a good 20 thousand litre potential of beneficial growth enhancer / foliar / drench.

That is impressive, we are looking at every dollar yielding 1000 L in organic-application-benefits. Plus water costs, but those would be inherent as is, and free for some. Even still, factor in 5 gallon jugs at $2 a pop and its still under 12 cents a litre for a microbe

Keep in fridge even if made for room storage, limit air space when storing, use good ingredients, one way valves, and you should never have a batch go bad.

Great for cleaning, unclogging drains, odour control, treating animal bedding, speeding up digestion, increasing plant metabolisms, boosting nutrient uptakes, just don't foliar yourself with the concentrate, trust me, haha
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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giglewigle said:
iv got some seaweed powder some volcanic rock dust and some home made castings should i top dress and then water with coconut water. thanks man that means alot theres nothing more i wanna do with my life than learn about growing things i googled that cob curing thing im so gunna do that when i get some sativas i wonder if it would work with hash lol i got my package from dr green thums today thay threw in some mycos also i ordered true living organics by the rev lol im starting to stress over this grow a bit im sure every things fine lower leaves are starting 2 yellow im around 4 weeks into flower i think ill top dress the castings and water every thing else i just wish i could grow a plant out doors thats gotta be awsome
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How long of a flower again, 8 10 12 14 weeks?
I personally would not topdress with castings after the veg period or flip at the latest, but thats just me. I don't like to go over 15% castings now, we find that to be the sweet spot. Yes, have pushed it, both in % and a later thick top dress, but if you want a smoother end product and killer killer cure (tasty ass hoots before the jar is sealed, vs waiting 5 weeks for ultra smoothness well shit, I wouldn't, its a bit too late. Especially if you want that herbal contagious-cherry, where you tap the flame and the whole bowl lights before you even re light.. Best to use the castings for tea where you get 45 times the leverage then a multiplication factor beyond comprehension after that, once brewing. and those are bacterial dom, too hey,I think they are better for the first half of the life cycle.. now you want to hinge a little more on fungi and its ability to eat through rocks and anything to get to the P and nutrients it wants, the fungus can take care of the plant from here on out, pretty much, so if you take care of them, they'll take care of your worries, assuming your mix isn't totally void of whats needed in the first place, like some rock dust minerals etc.

If they had gotten their mg / su foliar, or gentle kelp or seaweed foliars they would have gotten a mean green boost and micro/ vitamin boost.. I also do about 10 various and timely foliars in the first 10 days of the flip or so, or right before flowers show up, which helps carry them well into the next couple weeks.
That said,
I would maybe hit them with few ml of coco water each, and for next watering, start now, take some oat flour and sprinkle on some soil, in a smaller container, Chinese food size for example, and pre grow some fungus or mycelium.. then use that to brew a basic weak fungal dom tea with fluffy white soil and one tsp of molasses-rich source of sugar per 2 litres, touch of seaweed flour, say 1/8 tsp per plant or less, to start, can always repeat.. but cant undue a burn or toxicity that fast.

Especially if you still have a solid 4 weeks left before harvesting. I always like to run pure water for a good 3 to 4 weeks straight. Not necessarily mineral free, 0ppm, I do love my spring water with ideal ppm. for me thats 55 to 75, but definitely no major inputs whatsoever.
 
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giglewigle

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DonTesla said:
How long of a flower again, 8 10 12 14 weeks?
I personally would not topdress with castings after the veg period or flip at the latest, but thats just me. I don't like to go over 15% castings now, we find that to be the sweet spot. Yes, have pushed it, both in % and a later thick top dress, but if you want a smoother end product and killer killer cure (tasty ass hoots before the jar is sealed, vs waiting 5 weeks for ultra smoothness well shit, I wouldn't, its a bit too late. Especially if you want that herbal contagious-cherry, where you tap the flame and the whole bowl lights before you even re light.. Best to use the castings for tea where you get 45 times the leverage then a multiplication factor beyond comprehension after that, once brewing. and those are bacterial dom, too hey,I think they are better for the first half of the life cycle.. now you want to hinge a little more on fungi and its ability to eat through rocks and anything to get to the P and nutrients it wants, the fungus can take care of the plant from here on out, pretty much, so if you take care of them, they'll take care of your worries, assuming your mix isn't totally void of whats needed in the first place, like some rock dust minerals etc.

If they had gotten their mg / su foliar, or gentle kelp or seaweed foliars they would have gotten a mean green boost and micro/ vitamin boost.. I also do about 10 various and timely foliars in the first 10 days of the flip or so, or right before flowers show up, which helps carry them well into the next couple weeks.
That said,
I would maybe hit them with few ml of coco water each, and for next watering, start now, take some oat flour and sprinkle on some soil, in a smaller container, Chinese food size for example, and pre grow some fungus or mycelium.. then use that to brew a basic weak fungal dom tea with fluffy white soil and one tsp of molasses-rich source of sugar per 2 litres, touch of seaweed flour, say 1/8 tsp per plant or less, to start, can always repeat.. but cant undue a burn or toxicity that fast.

Especially if you still have a solid 4 weeks left before harvesting. I always like to run pure water for a good 3 to 4 weeks straight. Not necessarily mineral free, 0ppm, I do love my spring water with ideal ppm. for me thats 55 to 75, but definitely no major inputs whatsoever.
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there autos fast buds west coast og iv got some liquid compost and some great white would i be better of using that i dont have any mollasses but iv got some bioboost some poewdered seaweed and coco water and liqiud compost and myco would that work im a little hesatent to make a fungal dom tea i cant wrap my head around it i thought mycos needed roots lol i gotta stop stressing over it im sure my plants are fine im just paranoid somthings gunna fuck up
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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giglewigle said:
there autos fast buds west coast og iv got some liquid compost and some great white would i be better of using that i dont have any mollasses but iv got some bioboost some poewdered seaweed and coco water and liqiud compost and myco would that work im a little hesatent to make a fungal dom tea i cant wrap my head around it i thought mycos needed roots lol i gotta stop stressing over it im sure my plants are fine im just paranoid somthings gunna fuck up
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dont stress brother just take a breath and enjoy the fact you have plants, thats a very good problem to have.

worse case you will have a little lower yield and super smooth product and a lot more know how if you dont over react.

to clarify, there are more than one kind of fungus. myco fungi or AMF enter root cells to develop a symbiotic relationship with plants, taking 5% sugar made from the sun in exchange for 1000x more root mass, more water reach, translating to 35% more yield in tomatoes, and about 15% in mmj

however, what we call the other more 'common' fungus is mycelium, which is beneficial and important as well, just less extensively. These are grossly simplified, as there are many kinds of species and they all have advantages, but I would classify fungi as cell root penetrating or not, and then get both of them on your side, along with all the other micro beasties
 
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giglewigle

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DonTesla said:
dont stress brother just take a breath and enjoy the fact you have plants, thats a very good problem to have.

worse case you will have a little lower yield and super smooth product and a lot more know how if you dont over react.

to clarify, there are more than one kind of fungus. myco fungi or AMF enter root cells to develop a symbiotic relationship with plants, taking 5% sugar made from the sun in exchange for 1000x more root mass, more water reach, translating to 35% more yield in tomatoes, and about 15% in mmj

however, what we call the other more 'common' fungus is mycelium, which is beneficial and important as well, just less extensively. These are grossly simplified, as there are many kinds of species and they all have advantages, but I would classify fungi as cell root penetrating or not, and then get both of them on your side, along with all the other micro beasties
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Cool im thinking ill go with the liquid compost seaweed powder and a few mls of coco nut water and some mycos ill try not to water to the point of run off so theres better chance of contact with the roots also i got some granular humic should i use that i dont wanna fuck with it 2 mutch just incorperate what iv learned in the next grow tbh the one think ill defanetly add next grow is mulch the top layer of soil u can tell is inocculated with mycelliam cuse the soil is all stuck to gether in clumps and u can c mycelium but i like to let the soil dry out over fear of overwatering so i think thymyceliums dead hence the mulch with having a soil dominated with fungi and microbes its prob bad to let the soil dry out isent it
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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giglewigle said:
Cool im thinking ill go with the liquid compost seaweed powder and a few mls of coco nut water and some mycos ill try not to water to the point of run off so theres better chance of contact with the roots also i got some granular humic should i use that i dont wanna fuck with it 2 mutch just incorperate what iv learned in the next grow tbh the one think ill defanetly add next grow is mulch the top layer of soil u can tell is inocculated with mycelliam cuse the soil is all stuck to gether in clumps and u can c mycelium but i like to let the soil dry out over fear of overwatering so i think thymyceliums dead hence the mulch with having a soil dominated with fungi and microbes its prob bad to let the soil dry out isent it
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Yeah, use that humic bro, I would.

Ive never yet but I would play with it.. especially if wasn't using my own castings.. which is my source of fresh humic acids and such
 
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giglewigle

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DonTesla said:
Yeah, use that humic bro, I would.

Ive never yet but I would play with it.. especially if wasn't using my own castings.
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ye im only gaunna use straight water for a bit iv ran into a p def on a plant in the geo pot i put some worms in it today i had some worms in the other plastic pot at the begining and that ones doing the best i checked 2 see if thay where still alive and there was so many baby worms to many 2 count iv been slack on keeping track on the temps but i got em back on track today i also got the no till soil witch is ready to use straight out of the bag so im gunna germ some more seeds while i wait for the pink gravy and i also got the subcool mix from the other compeny witch ill use for the pink gravy so theres time for the soil to cook thay said let it cook for 1 to 3 months so i figured grow some more autos and see if these do better while i wait i will def check out that dudes medical thread
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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giglewigle said:
ye im only gaunna use straight water for a bit iv ran into a p def on a plant in the geo pot i put some worms in it today i had some worms in the other plastic pot at the begining and that ones doing the best i checked 2 see if thay where still alive and there was so many baby worms to many 2 count iv been slack on keeping track on the temps but i got em back on track today i also got the no till soil witch is ready to use straight out of the bag so im gunna germ some more seeds while i wait for the pink gravy and i also got the subcool mix from the other compeny witch ill use for the pink gravy so theres time for the soil to cook thay said let it cook for 1 to 3 months so i figured grow some more autos and see if these do better while i wait i will def check out that dudes medical thread
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Worms are awesome, they carry bene bacteria and aerate constantly

Check out @NaturalFarmer's thread for some good vids on P

Here's a link
https://www.rollitup.org/t/understanding-phosphorus.936758/

What thread are you talking about, got a link?

Good vibes!
 
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giglewigle

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DonTesla said:
Monsterous Pink Gravy GWB Pheno trained for width and getting the triple trellis.. semi organic under a CMH 600. Beautiful canopy management from the homie @thccbdhealth go check out his medical thread!View attachment 3985702
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i defanetly will i couldent find his thread but i was talking about the one u talked about here lol i posted a thraed in the weed problems and tnay think becouse i only used straight water like 2 3 times iv got nutriant build up i dident start getting symptoms untill i let the soil dry out but is this possable using 100 percent organic used all iv used other than mycos and microbes is liquid compost powdered seaweed and cocowater
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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giglewigle said:
i defanetly will i couldent find his thread but i was talking about the one u talked about here lol i posted a thraed in the weed problems and tnay think becouse i only used straight water like 2 3 times iv got nutriant build up i dident start getting symptoms untill i let the soil dry out but is this possable using 100 percent organic used all iv used other than mycos and microbes is liquid compost powdered seaweed and cocowater
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Johnei's thread?! I should post some of the vids he found here too, very interesting for sure.
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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giglewigle said:
i defanetly will i couldent find his thread but i was talking about the one u talked about here lol i posted a thraed in the weed problems and tnay think becouse i only used straight water like 2 3 times iv got nutriant build up i dident start getting symptoms untill i let the soil dry out but is this possable using 100 percent organic used all iv used other than mycos and microbes is liquid compost powdered seaweed and cocowater
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seaweed powder is extremely extremely strong, so is coco water, fairly dang powerful. liquid compost though, like a tea thats inoculated with compost or leachate or what?

normally if you build a good mix with lots of humus and nutrition and use a good water there is little that can happen, but when adding along the go, chasing deficiencies, it can get a lot tougher and you should go easy on all things, as you can always repeat repeat repeat, but hopefully its not as bad as you think.

Have a good night, all!
 
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giglewigle

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thccbdhealth ? if i over did any thing it was prob the cocowater i followed directions on every thing else its called yates liquid compost its bacicly the dynamic lifter witch is composted chicken shit but liquid like not a tea it pretty mutch looks lik liguid shit lol il post some pics im 100 peren sure its p def dont have a clue what caused it have good one bro bout to crash myself lol20170727_030210.jpg 20170727_030437.jpg
 
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Nugachino

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giglewigle said:
thccbdhealth ? if i over did any thing it was prob the cocowater i followed directions on every thing else its called yates liquid compost its bacicly the dynamic lifter witch is composted chicken shit but liquid like not a tea it pretty mutch looks lik liguid shit lol il post some pics im 100 peren sure its p def dont have a clue what caused it have good one bro bout to crash myself lolView attachment 3985757 View attachment 3985758
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Looks over watered too.
 
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