Ceepea
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Sounds like a feeling of awe and wonder. I've had experiences like that... just not in New Mexico. lol
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Sounds like a feeling of awe and wonder. I've had experiences like that... just not in New Mexico. lol
charface
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Meteor shit!
killemsoftly
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I wish bro. lol
More like terror and fright.
Who knows? there are tons of minerals in the earth their. For all i know it's magnetic fields or some such phenomena. For all I know the people who claim that area has a portal to other worlds are right .
Idk. lol who the fuck knows.
it is an awesome part of the world and the scenery is incredible. beware of the truckers at night. they're running loads across the bottom in/out cali and tx., those fuckers will run you off the road!
Ceepea
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Ever read anything about Dr. Michael Persinger?
He uses magnetic fields to induce religious experiences in people. Feelings of demons and angels, terror, euphoria... etc. For some it's like being in hell, for others it's like being in heaven. Some people just feel a presence....
killemsoftly
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Interesting.
I'll check it out.
yeah, i had a stats teacher his younger brother was sensitive to emf's. they used to let him sit in a rental for hours before they signed a lease. dude was off the charts. drove him batty.lol
must suck.
other extreme would be awesome. maybe throw in some porn. then i don't havta get married n worry about losing half my stuff.lol
ghostdriver
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I will post the demonic encounters, and experiences I have had gone through breaking the chains of sins in Jesus Christ name that I have made for myself when I have more time tomorrow. It's a very lengthy list which I intend on describing in detail, which includes real life sightings by myself, with witnesses and even nightmares that recur which seem to be more realistic than reality.
I started to see what you posted but I heard Morgan Freeman a man who dates his own step granddaughter and heard blaspheme about summoning GOD. What has been failed to be realized in this video is that GOD knows your every thought even before you do it. Furthermore, Devils ( Satan and other Evil spirits) can hear your thoughts too. The human mind is a intricate cognitive machine.
Furthermore, GOD can reveal things to you in your mind in many different ways, some ways happen everyday you just don't even realize. That sense of what IS GOOD and what IS EVIL is discernment given by the LORD. Furthermore, Satan and Evil Spirits can also tempt us with a Evil idea, and a irrational reason to why it's OK for US to do such things because, of pain or humiliation that WE have gone through. This is a lie from the Lips of EVIL, we must uphold the Laws of the LORD we must have integrity.
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How a man can look into the eyes of his own son or daughter, and not believe that he or she is a gift from GOD and has a soul really disturbs me.
I started to see what you posted but I heard Morgan Freeman a man who dates his own step granddaughter and heard blaspheme about summoning GOD. What has been failed to be realized in this video is that GOD knows your every thought even before you do it. Furthermore, Devils ( Satan and other Evil spirits) can hear your thoughts too. The human mind is a intricate cognitive machine.
Furthermore, GOD can reveal things to you in your mind in many different ways, some ways happen everyday you just don't even realize. That sense of what IS GOOD and what IS EVIL is discernment given by the LORD. Furthermore, Satan and Evil Spirits can also tempt us with a Evil idea, and a irrational reason to why it's OK for US to do such things because, of pain or humiliation that WE have gone through. This is a lie from the Lips of EVIL, we must uphold the Laws of the LORD we must have integrity.
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How a man can look into the eyes of his own son or daughter, and not believe that he or she is a gift from GOD and has a soul really disturbs me.
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MonkeyChimp
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Do you like the Jehova's Witnesses ghostdriver? I know they don't believe the "true truth" but they stay away from sinful movies and don't celebrate pagan holidays. I say they're the holiest version of christianity around.
Ceepea
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Poisoning the well, much? The narrator has nothing to do with the content of the program, to attribute them together is dishonest.
If you don't know how to be a good person without god, there is no hope for you. If the only reason you do good things is because of the fear of the afterlife you are, realistically, a terrible person. Since you claim to know that god can read minds and knows what you think before you think it, this means god would know if anyone was just being good for the sake of fear, or whether they're actually a good person.
If god knows what you do before you do it, he is willfully creating people that will go to hell. That makes him a malevolent asshole.
How anyone can falsely attribute an amazing natural phenomenon to god, is beyond me. The leaps of faith required in the face of contradictory evidence, are nothing short of mind boggling.
Ceepea
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If god exited, and was perfect and good, evil shouldn't exist at all. Period. How can anyone claim god is a) omnipotent b) good c) perfect if atrocities are happening all over the world?
How is it possible to reconcile 'god's plan' with prayer? If you believe god is perfect and has a plan for you, how much of an egotistical asshole must a person be to think god will change his plan, just because you prayed?
How about the concept of infinite punishment for finite crimes? How does one reconcile that will god supposedly being 'good' and 'just' and 'perfect'?
If god knows everything that is or will be, why does he continue to create people that are born in the wrong geographical region that are destined for hell? How does that fit the profile of someone who's 'good'?
How is it possible for god to 'have a plan', but for us to also have free will? Either god has a plan for us, or we have free will. Not both. Similarly, it's also incompatible with the idea of omniscience.... how can god know what we're going to do/think before we think it, and us to have free will?
How is it possible to reconcile 'god's plan' with prayer? If you believe god is perfect and has a plan for you, how much of an egotistical asshole must a person be to think god will change his plan, just because you prayed?
How about the concept of infinite punishment for finite crimes? How does one reconcile that will god supposedly being 'good' and 'just' and 'perfect'?
If god knows everything that is or will be, why does he continue to create people that are born in the wrong geographical region that are destined for hell? How does that fit the profile of someone who's 'good'?
How is it possible for god to 'have a plan', but for us to also have free will? Either god has a plan for us, or we have free will. Not both. Similarly, it's also incompatible with the idea of omniscience.... how can god know what we're going to do/think before we think it, and us to have free will?
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MonkeyChimp
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Ceepea makes good arguments but if ghostdriva made arguments as good, it wouldn't change ceepea's mind one bit.
"round and round and the conversation ends where it begins. I got a headache from you."
How about this, the devil "fell" when he refused to bow to the first man because angels are "better" and since God drowned the first generations for being horrible, doesn't that prove the devil was right in thinking angels are better?
"round and round and the conversation ends where it begins. I got a headache from you."
How about this, the devil "fell" when he refused to bow to the first man because angels are "better" and since God drowned the first generations for being horrible, doesn't that prove the devil was right in thinking angels are better?
Ceepea
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
ghostdriver
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I strongly urge you to think and meditate while medicating marijuana, mushrooms, no man made drugs just something you pluck and consume (smoke,eat,drink) on what freewill is. GOD being good never made sin, GOD made life, freewill, and the ability to pro create (which everyone sexually corrupts including myself, more so then anyone I have known) Sin (evil acts based upon hurting things) GOD did not make and is a rebellion against the omnipotent GOD. So having these acts go on being creations GOD made can not go unpunished.
Now there was a rebellion against GOD, and it was started by Satan the highest position angel at the time called lucifer who would not serve mankind. Other angels followed him foolishly and other angels fell because of lust for women, power, and numerous things.
These Devil's fell from what was right and defied GOD the only omnipotent thing, who created them. Satan then tempts Mankind, now people think he came as a snake but the HOLY BIBLE says "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had made." So the HOLY BIBLE refers to this fallen angel lucifer as a "serpent" many times throughout ancient scripture.
( Unfortunately I saw on television there is a clan of Church Cults that haven't realized this, and try to handle snakes, which sometimes called serpents which often results in death. Which is another example of these Denominations are a synagogue of Satan and teach Blaspheme.)
So began Mankind's first sin, but we were not condemned like the fallen, you see THEY seeked repentance also and it was not granted thus HELL is made for them, for they taught mankind of abortions, metal work, make up and much more. (not to mention there first defiance) So here they will remain till judgment them, and there offspring as "evil spirits" .
The Lord had mercy on us, and made it so that our body's that were now defiled would fail, but we would be born again new. This is because Adam and Eve's offspring (she gave birth to different nations not incest will go into detail's later) would be born into sin like the fallen. Unfortunately mankind continued to sin and sacrifice of innocent animals was needed until it failed, because of much great sin. In which GOD rescued the world with HIS innocent Son which was HIS blood also.
Now if you are asking "Why knowing did GOD create all this knowing he would HAVE to sacrifice his own Son? And knowing the Devil would defy him?" (which he DID, Book of Enoch clearly tells of GOD warning Satan not to do which he does) It's because GOD is Good and is teaching us what Good and Evil is, and giving us all freewill, and COMPLETE forgiveness, and immortality as a creature we can't begin to imagine. If we just accept what is GOOD and what is EVIL. I hope you read the Book of Enoch it mentioned in detail.
MonkeyChimp
All of those weird denominations and religions are preaching LIES. Read about God for yourself. A relationship with GOD is the MOST important and personal thing in our life's. Very emotional, and you can't trust people to deliver the words properly so I'm urging you all to read the WORD'S of GOD for yourself.
Now there was a rebellion against GOD, and it was started by Satan the highest position angel at the time called lucifer who would not serve mankind. Other angels followed him foolishly and other angels fell because of lust for women, power, and numerous things.
These Devil's fell from what was right and defied GOD the only omnipotent thing, who created them. Satan then tempts Mankind, now people think he came as a snake but the HOLY BIBLE says "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had made." So the HOLY BIBLE refers to this fallen angel lucifer as a "serpent" many times throughout ancient scripture.
( Unfortunately I saw on television there is a clan of Church Cults that haven't realized this, and try to handle snakes, which sometimes called serpents which often results in death. Which is another example of these Denominations are a synagogue of Satan and teach Blaspheme.)
So began Mankind's first sin, but we were not condemned like the fallen, you see THEY seeked repentance also and it was not granted thus HELL is made for them, for they taught mankind of abortions, metal work, make up and much more. (not to mention there first defiance) So here they will remain till judgment them, and there offspring as "evil spirits" .
The Lord had mercy on us, and made it so that our body's that were now defiled would fail, but we would be born again new. This is because Adam and Eve's offspring (she gave birth to different nations not incest will go into detail's later) would be born into sin like the fallen. Unfortunately mankind continued to sin and sacrifice of innocent animals was needed until it failed, because of much great sin. In which GOD rescued the world with HIS innocent Son which was HIS blood also.
Now if you are asking "Why knowing did GOD create all this knowing he would HAVE to sacrifice his own Son? And knowing the Devil would defy him?" (which he DID, Book of Enoch clearly tells of GOD warning Satan not to do which he does) It's because GOD is Good and is teaching us what Good and Evil is, and giving us all freewill, and COMPLETE forgiveness, and immortality as a creature we can't begin to imagine. If we just accept what is GOOD and what is EVIL. I hope you read the Book of Enoch it mentioned in detail.
MonkeyChimp
All of those weird denominations and religions are preaching LIES. Read about God for yourself. A relationship with GOD is the MOST important and personal thing in our life's. Very emotional, and you can't trust people to deliver the words properly so I'm urging you all to read the WORD'S of GOD for yourself.
Ceepea
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I strongly urge you to look up the definition of 'free will' because I'm not so sure you understand. If your life is planned out, you don't have free will. You never answered my quesiton from earlier; how is it possible to have free will when you were created by someone who has a plan for you?
If god is good, and god is omnipotent (can do anything), why does evil exist? It doesn't make sense.... either god isn't capable of getting rid of evil, or he doesn't want to.
If god knows everything, then nothing can surprise him. Do you not understand that? If he knows everyting, he knew about sin, and evil, and every mistake everyone would ever make, BEFORE HE CREATED THE UNIVERSE.
If god is omniscient he knew about the rebellion before the angels did it. He created the angels, and they were part of his plan too. Do you not understand this? If god is omniscient, he knows everything before it happens.
God knew that Satan would do exactly what he did, and he had the power to stop him at any time, or he was neither omniscient OR omnipotent. Why didn't god stop Satan? Why would god create an angel he knew would betray him? If he didn't konw he would betray him, or tempt mankind he wasn't omniscient.
Are you fucking kidding me? Or trolling.... hmmmm
You realize god would have know ALL of this was going to happen before he created the universe right? That's the definition of omniscience. You know that god had the power to stop any of this from happening, right? That's the definition of omnipotence.
So, god loves us, and wants us to chose him, but knows that billions and billions of people either won't accept Jesus, or god, or were just born in the wrong area, or just can't believe on faith, and will suffer for eternity and this is to 'teach' us? Do you torture people for eternity to teach them lessons?
There is no possible way you can prove the bible is the word of god.
MonkeyChimp
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What do you think of the Talmud ghostdriva? I read it was written when babylonia forced the jews into slavery, combining the Torah with pagan customs learned in babylon.
thepenofareadywriter
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[2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,] this text does not mean the word of god...it is word of the author that was inspired by a spirit or if you prefer [god]...in my personal experience I have come to a stage in my life where my perception of god has changed dramatically...what some may consider god , I consider to be essence...the very essence of all existence weather physical or spiritual...I also consider myself at times to have this inspiration from the very essence of existence which by my avatar you may recognize me
Psa 45:1 To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, for the sons of Korah, Maschil, A Song of loves. My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. there are so many things to learn but the most important is having a open mind because if you don't you push everyone away and lock yourself in a box...and by the way the big bang is true!
Ceepea
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I'm willing to accept new and compelling information, just not the same old song and dance.
ghostdriver
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Ceepea, Yes GOD knew all that was going to happen, why do I need to repeat something that's in writing? THIS IS ALL MADE FOR MANKIND. To experience the truth of GOD, which there in lays the glory of GOD. Just because GOD knows what we are going to do before we do it, does not mean we do not have free will. If GOD made us so we didn't choose, what we chose, then it wouldn't be free will. Yes GOD set the stage and started the show and knows the ending (or lack there of a ending) but EVERYONE has a choice.
Penofareadywriter,
[2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,]---what is this from? The HOLY BIBLE contains the direct word of GOD sir. From people who have seen and spoken to him.
I'm just repeating myself and telling you two the information I strongly suggested you research yourselves.
Furthermore you are not arguing facts, nor stating anything but things like "There is no possible way you can prove the bible is the word of god." and "The Big bang is true" not evolution but a big bang? There probably was a astronomical bang when God made creation. No one is providing any of there obscure and incoherent thoughts evidence. I brought you pages, videos, general perception should be enough, but all of these were provided. You did not Read The Book of Enoch, probably didn't research anything or meditate on what I said, or try the power of prayer through JESUS CHRIST. You are skimming through what I said and copying and pasting questions, asking the same questions, which are clearly provided in the letter you are copying and pasting! Then saying I'm wrong and you know better but provide no additional information, this is just spamming my thread. I ask that you take MY thread seriously and only reply when willing to have a intellectual conversation regarding sharing and listening to information. Responding to such replies is just wasting my time and making it harder to answer questions of those who are taking this most important matter seriously.
Penofareadywriter,
[2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,]---what is this from? The HOLY BIBLE contains the direct word of GOD sir. From people who have seen and spoken to him.
I'm just repeating myself and telling you two the information I strongly suggested you research yourselves.
Furthermore you are not arguing facts, nor stating anything but things like "There is no possible way you can prove the bible is the word of god." and "The Big bang is true" not evolution but a big bang? There probably was a astronomical bang when God made creation. No one is providing any of there obscure and incoherent thoughts evidence. I brought you pages, videos, general perception should be enough, but all of these were provided. You did not Read The Book of Enoch, probably didn't research anything or meditate on what I said, or try the power of prayer through JESUS CHRIST. You are skimming through what I said and copying and pasting questions, asking the same questions, which are clearly provided in the letter you are copying and pasting! Then saying I'm wrong and you know better but provide no additional information, this is just spamming my thread. I ask that you take MY thread seriously and only reply when willing to have a intellectual conversation regarding sharing and listening to information. Responding to such replies is just wasting my time and making it harder to answer questions of those who are taking this most important matter seriously.
Ceepea
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How is it possible to choose something when you're just a player in someone else's game? Not that I believe in free will in the sense you mean anyway. We make the decisions we make because it's the only decision we could make.
How??? How can you hold two contradictory beliefs and think they're compatible? If god knows how it will end, you can't make a decision on your own because it could go against what god has laid out for you. If god knows you will go to hell, how is it possible to go to heaven?? Are you saying you can change gods will? How can you change the will of a perfect being? If you have a real choice, he can't know the answer to what you're going to do.
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tyler.durden
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This kind of arrogance is ridiculous. Do you know how large the known universe is? I'll bet you have no idea. To suggest that the entire cosmos, so grand that mankind could never reach most of it before the universe ends, was all made for one species of mammal on one tiny planet in one of billions of billions of galaxies??? No thinking person could hold such a infantile belief...
Logic dictates that nothing can be omniscient and omnipotent at once. If god is omniscient, that means that all happenings are predetermined, as god knows what will before it does. If things are predetermined, there can be no free will. It would be as if we are conscious creatures in a book that has already been written: traveling in a linear timeline (as we are because of entropy) we would have the illusion of free will, but since the book is finished and we all of our choices known, there could be no actual free will. This is logic 101, if you can't understand this you are not ready for more advanced ideas...
You cannot use the bible to prove the bible, this is also logic 101. You cannot know if the bible is the direct word of god, you are simply taking it's word for it. Like Honest John's Used Car lot, of course they're honest, just ask them. It is not written by people who have seen or spoken to him, only people who claim such. Again, you are only believing hearsay...
The evidence for these phenomena are covered by any HS or college science text book. You could take a look for yourself anytime you'd like...
You posted biased pages from an ancient book as proof of itself. Fail. Your videos either state the phenomena is unexplained, or deceptive videos not based on any facts. Our general perception tells us the opposite of what yours tells you. You haven't even come close to supporting, much less proving, anything...
I've had several thoughtful posts throughout your thread that continue to be thoroughly ignored. It seems you are the one ignoring the points in others' posts, It seems your primary motivation here is to teach, but you have not demonstrated any qualifications for doing so. The fact that you don't seem to have even an elementary school science education suggests you should learn the basics of reality before you attempt to teach it. Also, this is a public forum, expect your ideas to be challenged. If they cannot withstand questioning and criticism, perhaps you should re-examine your ideas and/or your ability to teach...
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