The Good Guys Win One ...

hom36rown said:

If you are in your locked bedroom, and you hear a noise in your house, you would really grab your gun and try to confront the person inside your home?

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Yes... I would! The gun I keep in my nightstand has excellent night sights. I have on more then one occasion heard noises in my house and grabbed my loaded gun and gone to investigate. Of course it was never more then the stupid cat knocking something off a table... but nonetheless.... I went prepared to confront. Personally I think an intruder would have to be crazy to break into my home because my dog goes BAZERK barking when anyone gets anywhere near my house. My dog is huge and his bark is huge... I'm grateful for that deterrent as I'm NOT hoping a burglar breaks in..... I'd rather live in peace and never ever fire my gun other then at targets at the rifle range.

hom36rown said:

What if they have a gun? You are gonna risk your life and take someone else's over a TV.

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The back down and do nothing mentality is not my thing. My home... my possessions and yes... I'm willing to kill someone defending myself, my home and my possessions!

hom36rown said:

Have you ever seen a person get shot?...Have you seen a persons brains? Have you ever watched someone bleed to death?

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Yes, yes and yes. Doesn't change a thing. I've seen a body torn apart by a car that hit it and then dragged it to pieces... what should I stop driving for fear I might hit someone like that? I don't think so!

Have you ever seen a woman brutally raped and murdered in her own bed? I'd rather see the brains of the lowlife criminal splattered on the walls then that of the innocent victim!

hom36rown said:

What if you turned on the light after and it was 15 year old kids brains you just splattered all over your carpet...perhaps your tv wouldnt seem so valuable anymore...or would you still think it was his decision to die?

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Yes... it was still his decision! I don't give a shit if they are 15 or 50....break into my home and my plan to protect and defend is the same....... and there will only be MY side of the story to tell.

I read the linked story .... I don't feel one ounce of sympathy for the little prick thief! Kids today think they can do whatever they like without consequence. Personally I wouldn't have shot the kid.... know why? Not because it was a kid... but because the kid was already in the car fleeing..... defending does not mean chasing someone down the street firing bullets... DUHHH! Honestly I'm not hoping to kill someone....but if an intruder is in my home... my first thought is that they are in fact there to cause me harm... and I'm going to react as such..... now if that intruder makes it out the door before I can fire off a shot.... I'm not going to run after them guns a blazing... I think it would be pretty hard do claim self defense for shooting someone when they are running away.

I know my post won't be popular.... especially given the fact that I wouldn't change my plan of defense if the intruder was 15! That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Don't like it? Then control your kids and don't let them break into my house....

im sorry but this is what makes america seem so idiotic to people worldwide. anger and rage IS NOT COOL. your half-cocked and ready to shoot, "im a badass" attitude is exhausting. this is a scenario that i never hope happens to anyone but i am so sick of the "america is bigger, better, and badder", "fuck with me and ill kill you" bullshit, this is the attitude that spawns, road rage, deaths at little league games, school shootings, and gang violence, this is the PROBLEM not the solution, you go ahead and have your opinion but im done trying to reason.
If that day does happen and you shoot and kill an unarmed minor, i hope as you sit in your jail cell you re-think your actions and wish you would have just vacated your home and called for help. Macho "im a armed woman and take no shit" attitude is so overhyped and overdone, its really just kinda sad. so im done with this blog, and your guns blazing attitude!

Florida Girl said:

Yes... I would! The gun I keep in my nightstand has excellent night sights. I have on more then one occasion heard noises in my house and grabbed my loaded gun and gone to investigate. Of course it was never more then the stupid cat knocking something off a table... but nonetheless.... I went prepared to confront. Personally I think an intruder would have to be crazy to break into my home because my dog goes BAZERK barking when anyone gets anywhere near my house. My dog is huge and his bark is huge... I'm grateful for that deterrent as I'm NOT hoping a burglar breaks in..... I'd rather live in peace and never ever fire my gun other then at targets at the rifle range.




The back down and do nothing mentality is not my thing. My home... my possessions and yes... I'm willing to kill someone defending myself, my home and my possessions!




Yes, yes and yes. Doesn't change a thing. I've seen a body torn apart by a car that hit it and then dragged it to pieces... what should I stop driving for fear I might hit someone like that? I don't think so!

Have you ever seen a woman brutally raped and murdered in her own bed? I'd rather see the brains of the lowlife criminal splattered on the walls then that of the innocent victim!




Yes... it was still his decision! I don't give a shit if they are 15 or 50....break into my home and my plan to protect and defend is the same....... and there will only be MY side of the story to tell.

I read the linked story .... I don't feel one ounce of sympathy for the little prick thief! Kids today think they can do whatever they like without consequence. Personally I wouldn't have shot the kid.... know why? Not because it was a kid... but because the kid was already in the car fleeing..... defending does not mean chasing someone down the street firing bullets... DUHHH! Honestly I'm not hoping to kill someone....but if an intruder is in my home... my first thought is that they are in fact there to cause me harm... and I'm going to react as such..... now if that intruder makes it out the door before I can fire off a shot.... I'm not going to run after them guns a blazing... I think it would be pretty hard do claim self defense for shooting someone when they are running away.

I know my post won't be popular.... especially given the fact that I wouldn't change my plan of defense if the intruder was 15! That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Don't like it? Then control your kids and don't let them break into my house....

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Well thankfully you have a dog so you will most likely never have this happen. I just wanted you to think about that before you started firing shots in the dark, if you dont mind killing a 15 y.o. well I guess thats where you and I differ. Im all for defending yourself, but are you really defending yourself if you go out and try to confront the person? Have you considered that alot of people rob houses in pairs? wouldnt the safest thing to do be stay in your room and call 911? If the intruders are indeed armed, you would best be able to defend yourself if you sat in your room in the dark and kept your gun pointed straight at the door...if someone tries to come into your bedroom than I think everyone would agree you would be completely vindicated in opening fire. If you go to confront the person(s), arent you really defending your possessions? Are your possessions more valuable to you than a human life, do you not have homeowners insurance???....I suppose you believe the life of a "prick thief" is less valuable than a "normal" person?

hom36rown said:

.... if you don't mind killing a 15 y.o. well I guess thats where you and I differ. I'm all for defending yourself, but are you really defending yourself if you go out and try to confront the person? Have you considered that a lot of people rob houses in pairs? wouldn't the safest thing to do be stay in your room and call 911? If the intruders are indeed armed, you would best be able to defend yourself if you sat in your room in the dark and kept your gun pointed straight at the door...if someone tries to come into your bedroom then I think everyone would agree you would be completely vindicated in opening fire. If you go to confront the person(s), aren't you really defending your possessions? Are your possessions more valuable to you than a human life, do you not have homeowners insurance???....I suppose you believe the life of a "prick thief" is less valuable than a "normal" person?

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i wonder what the statistics are on the number of murders committed by 15 year olds. i wonder how many home invasions and burglaries wouldn't end in murder if the homeowner had fired first. i wonder how many people have died waiting patiently for 911 to respond or the police to finally find their address. the old saw that the best defense is a good offense has a great deal of merit and anyone invading your privacy has already committed an act of violence by breaking in to your home. it is a simple fact that anyone's life is less valuable to you than your own or those of your family.

undertheice said:

the old saw that the best defense is a good offense has a great deal of merit and anyone invading your privacy has already committed an act of violence by breaking in to your home. it is a simple fact that anyone's life is less valuable to you than your own or those of your family.

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If she had children, then it might be different, you cant just stay in your room...she siad herself she lives alone. As for "the old", well they are wrong, Im pretty sure any law enforcement agent will tell you the best thing to do for your safety is to stay in your room, call 911, take cover and keep you gun fixed at the door and wait it out. If she goes out to confront an intruder, she has no idea what she is walking into, and therefore is putting herself in more danger, which obviously isnt in the best interest of her defense. The only reason to do so would be to protect her possessions...not her or her families life.

tidalracepaddler said:

Macho "im a armed woman and take no shit" attitude is so overhyped and overdone, its really just kinda sad. so im done with this blog, and your guns blazing attitude!

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I don't think I'm a badass because I'm armed. It's not like I'm running around town strapped with a gun looking to stop crime.... nope... just hanging out in my own home..... minding my own business. I DO NOT have to flee my home! I have the right to protect myself AND my home... I'm sorry that you don't GET that.... I'm sorry that you consider that a "guns blazing" attitude.... and I'm sorry you think the life of a CRIMINAL is worth protecting over the life of a VICTIM!

hom36rown said:

wouldnt the safest thing to do be stay in your room and call 911? If the intruders are indeed armed, you would best be able to defend yourself if you sat in your room in the dark and kept your gun pointed straight at the door...

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I will concede that is a good plan.... I'll try to keep that in mind if the situation ever arises..... hopefully it won't... and hopefully my dog would scare off the asshole before they even made it inside.

undertheice said:

i wonder what the statistics are on the number of murders committed by 15 year olds. i wonder how many home invasions and burglaries wouldn't end in murder if the homeowner had fired first. i wonder how many people have died waiting patiently for 911 to respond or the police to finally find their address. the old saw that the best defense is a good offense has a great deal of merit and anyone invading your privacy has already committed an act of violence by breaking in to your home. it is a simple fact that anyone's life is less valuable to you than your own or those of your family.

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Well Said!

same old, same old

hom36rown said:

I'm pretty sure any law enforcement agent will tell you the best thing to do for your safety is to stay in your room, call 911, take cover and keep you gun fixed at the door and wait it out.

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these are the same folks who tell us that weed is one of the great evils of our time and for whom we wait patiently as our homes are ransacked and we are murdered in our beds. we here in the u.s. have a tradition of aggressively defending our hard won freedoms and possessions and to expect us to meekly hand over the defense of our homes to an inept and corrupt group of government lackeys is a bit too much to expect.

same old, same old

Florida Girl said:

.... and I'm sorry you think the life of a CRIMINAL is worth protecting over the life of a VICTIM!

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unluckily this is the direction that our society seems to be choosing to take, that the rights of the few are to be imposed over the rights of the many. though the correct interpretation of the intent of our laws is that the rights of all are equal and that mitigating circumstances should determine fault, we have gone way too far in bending to the cautious nature of our judicial system and make far too many excuses for those who commit crimes.

So you disagree...thats fine...everyone's entitled to an opinion...I thought you were done with this thread...or did you come back just to heckle people who don't agree with you?

tidalracepaddler said:

same old, same old

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Shawn taylor ring a bell................Nfl football player shot dead in his own bedroom during a burglery attempt

undertheice said:

these are the same folks who tell us that weed is one of the great evils of our time and for whom we wait patiently as our homes are ransacked and we are murdered in our beds. we here in the u.s. have a tradition of aggressively defending our hard won freedoms and possessions and to expect us to meekly hand over the defense of our homes to an inept and corrupt group of government lackeys is a bit too much to expect.

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I have had these same concerns myself.

I remember when I was in school, we were being trained like sheep. If someone hurts you, don't fight back, let the authorities handle it. Call 9/11 if you are being robbed, and of course, be completely passive during a hostage situation (9/11). This is the first yet subtle introduction to controlling the masses and disarming the populace. They want you to think that guns cause the violence when in fact its people who cause the violence. If its not guns it would be something else. I'd rather have my gun and not use it rather than not have one at all. The government is stripping all personal responsibility from people and placing it in a false sense of security. Our fore fathers realized the potential the government they were founding may one day work against the people and thus they added the second amendment which goes beyond what most near-sighted people think. It is in place so that if ever the government would need to be overthrown, it is the responsibility of the people to do it, as our fore-fathers were doing themselves.

And yes, if someone broke in my house, I would shoot to kill. They knew the risks and proceeded. Maybe some don't, maybe some are so politically correct that they know they can rob a house and nothing else would happen other than 911 get called and by that time they'd be long gone. You cannot, you must not, eliminate the fear of repercussion from villains. Your philosophy is misguided when you argue that people break into other's houses and vehicles from desperation and starvation. They break into for greed, if they were truly hungry, swipe some groceries.

Honestly, I'm not a material person. I have been stolen from and it pisses me off but its just things. However if someone is breaking into my house, I do not know their intentions and you always assume the worst.

by the way the shooter was a 17 year old minor

I totally agree with you there...Once when my child got into a fight at school, I was summoned to school. They explained that the other child had started it, and instead of telling a teacher, my daughter fought back and punched the offender in the nose. Which is what I have always taught my kids to do.When the teachers wanted to come up with a plan of action, I informed them that there would be no discipline from me...I'm not a pacifist, and I don't teach my kids to be either. One kid actually threatened, "If you hit me, I'll sue!" What a generation of pussies these parents are raising. When they grow up, they'll be passive in these situations if confronted with them, and be raped, robbed or killed. If someone wants to do you harm, harm them. Make them work for it.How many repeat offenders might be dissuaded by a good old fashioned ass whipping?You may be saving more than your own life.

ZenMaster said:

I have had these same concerns myself.

I remember when I was in school, we were being trained like sheep. If someone hurts you, don't fight back, let the authorities handle it. Call 9/11 if you are being robbed, and of course, be completely passive during a hostage situation (9/11). This is the first yet subtle introduction to controlling the masses and disarming the populace. They want you to think that guns cause the violence when in fact its people who cause the violence. If its not guns it would be something else. I'd rather have my gun and not use it rather than not have one at all. The government is stripping all personal responsibility from people and placing it in a false sense of security. Our fore fathers realized the potential the government they were founding may one day work against the people and thus they added the second amendment which goes beyond what most near-sighted people think. It is in place so that if ever the government would need to be overthrown, it is the responsibility of the people to do it, as our fore-fathers were doing themselves.

And yes, if someone broke in my house, I would shoot to kill. They knew the risks and proceeded. Maybe some don't, maybe some are so politically correct that they know they can rob a house and nothing else would happen other than 911 get called and by that time they'd be long gone. You cannot, you must not, eliminate the fear of repercussion from villains. Your philosophy is misguided when you argue that people break into other's houses and vehicles from desperation and starvation. They break into for greed, if they were truly hungry, swipe some groceries.

Honestly, I'm not a material person. I have been stolen from and it pisses me off but its just things. However if someone is breaking into my house, I do not know their intentions and you always assume the worst.

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ZenMaster said:

I have had these same concerns myself.

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thanks for adding your voice to mine and those others who see the truth behind this matter and for using that dread phrase "personal responsibility". as our freedoms are stripped away and our will to fight for them is slowly eroded, we can't allow the propaganda of our would-be oppressors to go unchallenged.

natrone23 said:

Shawn taylor ring a bell................Nfl football player shot dead in his own bedroom during a burglery attempt

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natrone23 said:

by the way the shooter was a 17 year old minor

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"Well.... as long as the precious little minor wasn't harmed then all is good"...... said Florida Girl in a tone of voice DRIPPING in sarcasm while wildly rolling eyes.


It's really a fucking shame Taylor didn't have a gun..... perhaps then we'd still have a talented NFL player here on earth and his daughter would have her daddy. Perhaps instead the world would be rid of a couple of lowlife-dirtbag criminals who are nothing more then a waste of oxygen! YEP... I'll say it.... Taylor's life was worth WAY more then the criminals who killed him!

Report: Taylor suspects nearly called it off - NFL - MSNBC.com

ZenMaster said:

I have had these same concerns myself.

I remember when I was in school, we were being trained like sheep. If someone hurts you, don't fight back, let the authorities handle it. Call 9/11 if you are being robbed, and of course, be completely passive during a hostage situation (9/11). This is the first yet subtle introduction to controlling the masses and disarming the populace. They want you to think that guns cause the violence when in fact its people who cause the violence. If its not guns it would be something else. I'd rather have my gun and not use it rather than not have one at all. The government is stripping all personal responsibility from people and placing it in a false sense of security. Our fore fathers realized the potential the government they were founding may one day work against the people and thus they added the second amendment which goes beyond what most near-sighted people think. It is in place so that if ever the government would need to be overthrown, it is the responsibility of the people to do it, as our fore-fathers were doing themselves.

And yes, if someone broke in my house, I would shoot to kill. They knew the risks and proceeded. Maybe some don't, maybe some are so politically correct that they know they can rob a house and nothing else would happen other than 911 get called and by that time they'd be long gone. You cannot, you must not, eliminate the fear of repercussion from villains. Your philosophy is misguided when you argue that people break into other's houses and vehicles from desperation and starvation. They break into for greed, if they were truly hungry, swipe some groceries.

Honestly, I'm not a material person. I have been stolen from and it pisses me off but its just things. However if someone is breaking into my house, I do not know their intentions and you always assume the worst.

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Maybe I should clarify a few things for you. If someone came in my house and I had a gun (I would if I had the money to get one, I'm all for the second ammenment) I would definitely go out and try to prevent the person from stealing my stuff...heres the difference between me and you ...I would not just come out shooting and possibly murder an unarmed person in so called "self defense" because chances are I wont get prosecuted...if you are going to take the risk to confront them, than do it, just dont murder them and ask questions later...if you see they have gun or they charge you than fire, but other than that, I do not think it is ok to kill someone for breaking into your home. You say that you are assuming they have the worst intentions..wouldnt the worst intentions be to murder you in which case, like I said, the smart thing to do would be stay where you are. It seems to me, that if you choose to confront them you have already decided that you are probably arent in that much danger, or that you can outshoot or sneak up on the intruder if they are indeed armed, because the only reason to do so, confront them that is, would be to stop them from ransacking your house...so either you value your things more than your life, or you feel that you are in control of the situation and your life really isnt in that much danger...Look to put it simply, all Im saying is if you are going to confront someone breaking into your home, please try not to kill unarmed people expecially minors, and if you really are in fear of your life, then stay put and call 911. All I was commenting on was your guys shoot first and ask questions later mentality...I believe it really has nothing to do with self defense and stems more from the "fuck with me and I'll kill you" mentality that is so common among americans today. As for everything else you said, I dont see what it has to do with not firing on an unarmed person...

Tidalracepaddler

but pepetuating the myth that guns dont cause violence is beyond my understanding

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So you think "GUNS" are the cause of violence and not the people , That has to be one of the craziest statements ever.

Tidalracepaddler.

if someone is in my home and i feel my life or that of my wife may be in danger, i would be ready and willing to take a life, my overall argument is that if everyone has that opinion, then crime rates go up.

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This post makes no sense what so ever .. How can peoples opinion cause crime rates to go up?

And besides if you kill a burglar/rapist/murderer in your house that would not be a crime it would be your inalienable right ( at least in most states still) to self defense.

Dont let this happen to us.....http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2008/05/british-called-they-want-their-guns.html

Florida Girl said:

HOLY SHIT.... we actually agree on something!!!! I better get my video cam ready to film the herd of pigs that will surely be flying by any minute now




If someone breaks into my home then I assume he/she is there to do more then just steal from me. I assume they are there to do me harm. In a situation of home invasion there is no time to stop and interview the criminal about their intentions. My State says I have the right to make that assumption, I have the right to STAND MY GROUND and use deadly force to defend myself without fear of prosecution.

I'm a single female and I live alone.... I have guns.... and I'm not afraid to use them. If someone breaks into my home... it will be the last home they ever break into.





What would I use??? I guess I'd keep my chainsaw handy... either way the criminal motherfucker who breaks into my house when I'm home is leaving in a body bag!

Something to keep in mind before you go spouting off about how guns shouldn't even be a consideration for defense and protection.... how well do you think a woman (assuming she isn't a Marine or Martial Arts expert) is going to do in hand-to-hand combat with a male intruder? Take away the guns and the criminals aren't going to suffer.... but their victims surely will.

Hand to hand combat against a thug......uhhhh no thanks. I prefer to live by the following: "Trespassers will be shot.... survivors will be shot again".

I'm American.... I love my guns.... and I'm a card carrying member of the NRA!!

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I just wanted to say GREAT POST FlaGirl

Most gun owners don't do stupid stunts with their guns. Its similar to driving a car, the responsible people get to drive, but you only have one chance with a gun(don't make a mistake).

The thing about criminals is that they will own guns illegally. I would rather see the majority of guns being owned by responsible citizens than a bunch of thugs-which is the case when guns are banned from a city.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~