The Greatest Show On Earth Presents The 16oz Party Cup Grow Off

hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Kushash said:
I have been dealing with what appears to be a Nitrogen deficiency for a while.
Since the stretch is over it seems to be under control.
Fertilizers used to try to control the N deficiency were blood meal, FF happy frog 6-4-4 and fish emulsion.
The yellow leaf on the left in the 3rd picture has a small amount of green in it, I believe it has recovered some color in the last couple of days.
I'm going with water only for a few days.
I water once a day.
Happy Growing!

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I hope my plant looks that good.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Kushash said:
I am not sure I agree with you on this one unless you are only referring to lower fan leaves and would be glad to discuss it however I don't want to get into a conversation to deep while everyone is posting updates.

I want to get a gold star for good behavior from this point forward.
Just a short discussion though. ;)

I have had plants loosing their color many times that recovered color in the leaves including I'm pretty sure upper fan leaves.
Plants that lacked N and possibly had a Mg issue but I can't fully remember right now.
In the upper section of the plant.

Not sure It was ever the lowest fan leaves where I have watched the recovery but I am sure I have watched leaves recover from yellowing to regain their color with the use of blood meal.
I notice the change starts just after the 1st week when it involves newer growth where the recovery starts. It also happens to the upper fans if I recall but you have me doubting that at the moment lol.
This newer growth and upper fans have not turned fully yellow before recovery, they would still have a light green/yellow color on their way to being yellow.

Maybe that fan leaf hasn't recovered any color.
Maybe it is me having a case of confirmation bias wanting the deficiency to stop progressing.

So I guess when you say this:
"There is no way to turn a yellow leaf back green. A plant would not waste energy and nutes for such an old leaf."

Your talking about a lower fan leaf and yeah it's probably confirmation bias on my part but I would not agree about upper fan leaves recovering their color.
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Ive gotten the green back too with BatGuano & EWC.
 
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Randomblame

Randomblame

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Kushash said:
I am not sure I agree with you on this one unless you are only referring to lower fan leaves and would be glad to discuss it however I don't want to get into a conversation to deep while everyone is posting updates.

I want to get a gold star for good behavior from this point forward.
Just a short discussion though. ;)

I have had plants loosing their color many times that recovered color in the leaves including I'm pretty sure upper fan leaves.
Plants that lacked N and possibly had a Mg issue but I can't fully remember right now.
In the upper section of the plant.

Not sure It was ever the lowest fan leaves where I have watched the recovery but I am sure I have watched leaves recover from yellowing to regain their color with the use of blood meal.
I notice the change starts just after the 1st week when it involves newer growth where the recovery starts. It also happens to the upper fans if I recall but you have me doubting that at the moment lol.
This newer growth and upper fans have not turned fully yellow before recovery, they would still have a light green/yellow color on their way to being yellow.

Maybe that fan leaf hasn't recovered any color.
Maybe it is me having a case of confirmation bias wanting the deficiency to stop progressing.

So I guess when you say this:
"There is no way to turn a yellow leaf back green. A plant would not waste energy and nutes for such an old leaf."

Your talking about a lower fan leaf and yeah it's probably confirmation bias on my part but I would not agree about upper fan leaves recovering their color.
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Yeah, I'm refering about the lower leaves cuz this was what I've seen on your plant.
Slightly discoloration on the upper end of the plant caused by micro nutrient deficits(Fe, Cu, Mn, etc.) can be fixed within a certain range. Also when the whole plant looks for instance pale green because of an N deficit you can fix it.
But a wilting leaf that's already yellow IS already damaged and can't be fixed.
You can maybe get a bit color in it aound the point where the petioles are connected to the leaf but thats it, a damage stays a damage.
It depends also on their mobility inside the plants. Some nutes are mobile other not.
When you see for instance a Mg deficit its probably already two, three or more weeks old. For this reason you often see Mg issues in the 1st half of the flowering stage. Plants need more calmag in veg and while stretching to build up green mass. When the stretch is done and they are completely focussed on creating flowers they need less of it. So its important to supply enough of these nutes from the beginning. When you see it its already too late. You can only stop it from going further.
 
Kushash

Kushash

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Randomblame said:
Yeah, I'm refering about the lower leaves cuz this was what I've seen on your plant.
Slightly discoloration on the upper end of the plant caused by micro nutrient deficits(Fe, Cu, Mn, etc.) can be fixed within a certain range. Also when the whole plant looks for instance pale green because of an N deficit you can fix it.
But a wilting leaf that's already yellow IS already damaged and can't be fixed.
You can maybe get a bit color in it aound the point where the petioles are connected to the leaf but thats it, a damage stays a damage.
It depends also on their mobility inside the plants. Some nutes are mobile other not.
When you see for instance a Mg deficit its probably already two, three or more weeks old. For this reason you often see Mg issues in the 1st half of the flowering stage. Plants need more calmag in veg and while stretching to build up green mass. When the stretch is done and they are completely focussed on creating flowers they need less of it. So its important to supply enough of these nutes from the beginning. When you see it its already too late. You can only stop it from going further.
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Randomblame said:
There is no way to turn a yellow leaf back green. A plant would not waste energy and nutes for such an old leaf. The leaves lose their color because the plant use its stored nutrients and starches and it usually happens on the older bottom leaves first. Plants do this anyway when older leaves do not contribute to new growth anymore. They hate to waste things so before they get rid of it they pull out all the good things. With a good supply of nutrients you can delay it but it can not be avoided completely. It just belongs to it ..
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Lots of trichomes, btw. Looks nice already and pretty fast too. Mine starts slowly to bulk up but needs for sure another 4 or 5 weeks to finish.
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Good Stuff!
I'm with you on most all of it.
On piece I'm not sure we agree on from your 1st post.

The leaves lose their color because the plant use its stored nutrients and starches and it usually happens on the older bottom leaves first. Plants do this anyway when older leaves do not contribute to new growth anymore. They hate to waste things so before they get rid of it they pull out all the good things.

I do not agree with the bolded sentence.
This type of thing gets debated and good growers are on each side of this argument.
Just like good growers are on each side of a dozen other debates lol.

This is just my opinion no science.
I believe the plant will keep that lowest leaf if she can in case of a drought.
If there was a drought the leaf you say she no longer needs is the very 1st leaf she would sacrifice to keep the rest of the plant as healthy as she can.
If that leaf wasn't there she would have to steal from another leaf.
She doesn't know how long a drought will last so my guess is if she could keep it for emergencies she would.
When I say she I mean mother nature who is much smarter than we are. :)
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SSGrower

SSGrower

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Kushash said:
Good Stuff!
I'm with you on most all of it.
On piece I'm not sure we agree on from your 1st post.

The leaves lose their color because the plant use its stored nutrients and starches and it usually happens on the older bottom leaves first. Plants do this anyway when older leaves do not contribute to new growth anymore. They hate to waste things so before they get rid of it they pull out all the good things.

I do not agree with the bolded sentence.
This type of thing gets debated and good growers are on each side of this argument.
Just like good growers are on each side of a dozen other debates lol.

This is just my opinion no science.
I believe the plant will keep that lowest leaf if she can in case of a drought.
If there was a drought the leaf you say she no longer needs is the very 1st leaf she would sacrifice to keep the rest of the plant as healthy as she can.
If that leaf wasn't there she would have to steal from another leaf.
She doesn't know how long a drought will last so my guess is if she could keep it for emergencies she would.
When I say she I mean mother nature who is much smarter than we are. :)
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I think you are both right and kinda ralking about the same thing.

Consider a graph, one line represents the benifit of keeping the leaf, the other represents the benifit of dropping it or stopping the effort to "save". Where these two arbetrary lines cross is where there is no longer a benifit to keep. If the leaf hangs on till totally brown and dead, (like on @Tiflis pic - no offense) those lines just didnt cross, there was no benifit either way keeping or dropping the leaf.
Again ubsubstantiated opinion.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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SSGrower said:
I think you are both right and kinda ralking about the same thing.

Consider a graph, one line represents the benifit of keeping the leaf, the other represents the benifit of dropping it or stopping the effort to "save". Where these two arbetrary lines cross is where there is no longer a benifit to keep. If the leaf hangs on till totally brown and dead, (like on @Tiflis pic - no offense) those lines just didnt cross, there was no benifit either way keeping or dropping the leaf.
Again ubsubstantiated opinion.
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Pluck that fucker and roll :hump:
 
The Dawg

The Dawg

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OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Thegermling said:
Argh ye skurvey dogs after knocking down the same damn cup down ,twice, I built a stand for these bastards so I never knock them over again. LOL Works exceptionally well :bigjoint:View attachment 4272589 View attachment 4272586
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Come on bro, you really expect us to believe you were on 12/12 at this point in the grow??
Anybody else see this much growth in 6 days? o_O


Jan 28
http://www.rollitup.org/t/the-greatest-show-on-earth-presents-the-16oz-party-cup-grow-off.982325/page-28#post-14715253

Feb 3 - 2 sets gained?
http://www.rollitup.org/t/the-greatest-show-on-earth-presents-the-16oz-party-cup-grow-off.982325/page-36#post-14726137
 
Thegermling

Thegermling

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OneHitDone said:
Come on bro, you really expect us to believe you were on 12/12 at this point in the grow??
Anybody else see this much growth in 6 days? o_O


Jan 28
http://www.rollitup.org/t/the-greatest-show-on-earth-presents-the-16oz-party-cup-grow-off.982325/page-28#post-14715253

Feb 3 - 2 sets gained?
http://www.rollitup.org/t/the-greatest-show-on-earth-presents-the-16oz-party-cup-grow-off.982325/page-36#post-14726137
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I had only one node and the beginings of a second node on jan 28, on feb 3 I had 3 nodes.
If I had my worries YOU were well ahead of everybody with 3 full nodes and a beginning of a 4th on ALL your plants. I think you werent on 12/12 bro. Buddzbudha was even further than you and we found out he was using bigger cups.
How was I over 12/12 when im ahead of everybody in terms of flowering:confused: could be the 730 after lights and genetics (9 week flowering time) too but still. It dont make sense how I was on anything other than 12/12.
 
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