The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread
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boris the blade
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hello,i use canna florra terra in plagron lightmix soil.i have 9 plants in the 6th week of there lives,they are a variety of kush but not sure.they are on a 12/12 lighting cycle,i water every 3 days with roughly 1.5 litres of water and add 5 mg of the feed.at what stage is it best to start using canna boost or should i be doing it allready? thanks[/QUOTE]
ok but the pk13/14 is only for 3 weeks from what I have read but the hammerhead they say you can use it right up to the week before flush
I agree with not using them together
I will say money is an issue but at the same time I will pay for what will work,my main thing is now I spend about 70 every 10 weeks on nutes,
I have already spent 225 and I see this only lasting 20 weeks (maybe less)
so it cost about 35%more per run than I usually spend and I know that wont get me 35%more bud I already get 1.5 grams per watt and sometimes more
so I am a skeptic kinda on the claim of more weight and better buds but we will see
Im sure I will have more questions so thanks for the quick reply
jberry
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the hammerhead and the pk 13/14 are pretty much the same thing... i know AN claims that changing the number from 13/14 to 9/18 is a big difference, but it is really not. I have used both products and they both work well, but after some tests, i decided to stick to the pk 13/14 because it is the very highest grade PK u can possibly get (Pharmaceutical Grade) and it is half the price of AN. (i have no idea of the grade of AN's Hammerhead PK, i know some of their products are pharmuceutical grade tho)
The PK in those higher amounts is only being utilized by the plant for about a 7-14 day window. The reason that AN and Canna both tell you to use it for longer is bcuz every strain has a different "window" of time that the high PK is beneficial, and they want to make sure you are using it when that window opens... but also, the longer you use it, the more you will use, and the more you will BUY! I think its a little misleading for AN to tell you to use it so early and so late into flowering because it is very unlikely that the "PK window" would be open at those times.
PK tends to be best used in a 7 - 10 day window starting about the time you see first flower formation. This typically, on an 8 week flower response group, to be about 5 weeks before harvest or 2-3 weeks after flower initiation (not light change). Adding it early will not advance or benefit flower initiation, only the amount of dark the plant sees will initiation flowering. Adding too early could result in phosphate accumulation and ratio issues involving Ca and Mg
The best way to dial in the PK takes some trial and error work. This can be anything from 3 - 10 days after switching light cycle or the natural trigger for flower is received by the plant. Remember a plant has to convert to flower in most cases which takes a little time from the moment the dark cycle increases or decreases based on the species of plant being grown. Use PK for about a 3 week window at each irrigation along with the other components. Then you can stop. You really can not use PK too long except in the final week or so, or giving it too early. The next crops, you can begin to shorten the beginning or end of the window until you find that just right window for your needs.
Oh, and Ionic is a good company as well, so i doubt you will see any huge difference from the switch.
The PK in those higher amounts is only being utilized by the plant for about a 7-14 day window. The reason that AN and Canna both tell you to use it for longer is bcuz every strain has a different "window" of time that the high PK is beneficial, and they want to make sure you are using it when that window opens... but also, the longer you use it, the more you will use, and the more you will BUY! I think its a little misleading for AN to tell you to use it so early and so late into flowering because it is very unlikely that the "PK window" would be open at those times.
PK tends to be best used in a 7 - 10 day window starting about the time you see first flower formation. This typically, on an 8 week flower response group, to be about 5 weeks before harvest or 2-3 weeks after flower initiation (not light change). Adding it early will not advance or benefit flower initiation, only the amount of dark the plant sees will initiation flowering. Adding too early could result in phosphate accumulation and ratio issues involving Ca and Mg
The best way to dial in the PK takes some trial and error work. This can be anything from 3 - 10 days after switching light cycle or the natural trigger for flower is received by the plant. Remember a plant has to convert to flower in most cases which takes a little time from the moment the dark cycle increases or decreases based on the species of plant being grown. Use PK for about a 3 week window at each irrigation along with the other components. Then you can stop. You really can not use PK too long except in the final week or so, or giving it too early. The next crops, you can begin to shorten the beginning or end of the window until you find that just right window for your needs.
Oh, and Ionic is a good company as well, so i doubt you will see any huge difference from the switch.
everything you said about the PKs makes perfect since ! I grow outdoor a plenty 
I dont expect a huge difference maybe a little but like I said we shall see
I have plenty of successful runs under me indoors and out
but I would rather hear what others say rather than a company rep and why I went with Ionic and not AN in the begining ,
but Ionic has no coco line available to me any longer and the hammerhead is no longer made from what I heard thats why I went for a total change I looked at humboldt nutrients and its as crazy as AN
and also house and garden but not as easy for me to get but was next after the Canna as far as what I would have purchased
got some cheesy chunk F2's I won in a lottery that are nucking futs @
30 days and will be taking clones in a month or so
I have no idea on the backround but its cheese so its gotta be good LOL
I dont expect a huge difference maybe a little but like I said we shall see
I have plenty of successful runs under me indoors and out
but I would rather hear what others say rather than a company rep and why I went with Ionic and not AN in the begining ,
but Ionic has no coco line available to me any longer and the hammerhead is no longer made from what I heard thats why I went for a total change I looked at humboldt nutrients and its as crazy as AN
and also house and garden but not as easy for me to get but was next after the Canna as far as what I would have purchased
got some cheesy chunk F2's I won in a lottery that are nucking futs @
30 days and will be taking clones in a month or so
I have no idea on the backround but its cheese so its gotta be good LOL
matt02222222
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Hey Everyone!
Im just starting a Coco grow and ive searched through this thread and have been looking around. But how do you guys introduce the nutes to your plants. I am a little over 2 weeks into vegging. I have Canna A+B and pk 13/14 for flower. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks!
Im just starting a Coco grow and ive searched through this thread and have been looking around. But how do you guys introduce the nutes to your plants. I am a little over 2 weeks into vegging. I have Canna A+B and pk 13/14 for flower. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks!
matt02222222
Member
Thanks JBerry!
Now when your first introducing your nutes to the plants do you go with the full recommended dose as it says on the back of the bottle 15ml a gallon. Or do you work your way up to that? And once you start feeding the nutes do you keep on it till the end? Do you ever just feed with straight water?
Sorry for all the newb questions
Thanks
jberry
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which bottle says 15ml per gal. ? that sounds high...
and yes, use nutes with every feed.
and yes, use nutes with every feed.
jberry
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if your 2 weeks into veg then i would think its time to use the A/B nutes.... i start full strength, but every strain is different.
mattso101
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I just wanted to add somthing here I switched my main flower nutes from Pure Blend Pro to Bio Canna My flower recipe was
Bio Canna Flores
Bio Canna Boost
Botanicares Cal-mag Plus
Botanicare Hydroplex
Growzyme
The differnce in flovor of mu LA Confidential was Amazing with the Canna stuff I wont go back
Bio Canna Flores
Bio Canna Boost
Botanicares Cal-mag Plus
Botanicare Hydroplex
Growzyme
The differnce in flovor of mu LA Confidential was Amazing with the Canna stuff I wont go back
jberry
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would you recommend the LACon? how does it yield and what was the flowering time? do you know which breeder it came from? cuz i think Mr. Nice and DNA and maybe others all make a LACon.
thanks in advance mattso101, glad to hear your happy with the nute change.
I just popped some of DNA's L.A. Confidential X Skunk, hope its a good one.
thanks in advance mattso101, glad to hear your happy with the nute change.
I just popped some of DNA's L.A. Confidential X Skunk, hope its a good one.
matt02222222
Member
Its on my 5l bottle of Canna A+B would you recommend less?
jberry
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yea, in that case i would recommend less... i would start with 8ml per gallon and if there is no sight of burn, then i would quickly move up to 10-13 ml per gallon....
I think only a heavy feeding variety would take the full 15ml per gal. but if you arent using any additives and your initail water source has a low ppm, then 15 ml per gallon may be the call.
you will have to do some trail and error work, but i know the 8ml to 12ml method has always worked for me, but i DO add some additives.
I think only a heavy feeding variety would take the full 15ml per gal. but if you arent using any additives and your initail water source has a low ppm, then 15 ml per gallon may be the call.
you will have to do some trail and error work, but i know the 8ml to 12ml method has always worked for me, but i DO add some additives.
matt02222222
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Thanks Jberry! Now I'm watering/feeding them everyother day does that sound like 2 much? I have 5 purple haze plants. Just about 3 weeks old right now. I'm using a mix of distiller and tap water to get the ph to around 5.8 and my ppm on my last feeding was 400. The reason I ask is my plants just look a little droopy like there not happy. I have em under a 600 hps
Thanks!
matt02222222
Member
well the bottom leaves on two of the plants browned and curled but I'm pretty sure that was from bad tap water with a high ph the new growth has all been bright green but the plant just doesn't look perky. My last feeding was with 7.5 ml of canna a and b. Should I move too every 3 days for watering instead of every other?
matt02222222
Member
Thanks JBerry! Your the man! kiss-ass
Couple more questions for you though, is there a way to gauge when is the proper time to water your plants? I have my plants in 3 gallon pots. Ive read that when the surface drys you should water but everything underneath is still soaked. Also ive read that you should water till there is runoff? What does that mean exactly? Does this mean that water should be running out of the bottom of my pots? Im just nervous becuase some of my leaves have yellowed and dryed out around the edges.
Sorry for all the newb questions again thanks for all your help!
jberry
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the proper time to water coco is when the plant/container has lost half its weight... So, next time u water, pick up the plant to get a feel for how heavy it is... when it has lost close to half its water weight then it is time to water again... the coco may be starting to dry out on the top at this point, or it may be wet looking still... But you should water based on the weight, regardless of what the coco looks like.
Run off is the water that drains out the bottom of the container, and helps keep the old nutes flushed out and replaces them with the new fresh nutrients each watering.
you may be having some other problems with the dried out leaves... if you had a pic i could probably identify the problem.
Run off is the water that drains out the bottom of the container, and helps keep the old nutes flushed out and replaces them with the new fresh nutrients each watering.
you may be having some other problems with the dried out leaves... if you had a pic i could probably identify the problem.