The Official Canna Coco & Nutrients Thread

puffenuff

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Jela, thanks for sharing your experience with rhizotonic as a seed soak to promote germination. Very interesting to hear about the trouble you've had. My personal experience with rhizo and seeds has been positive. I've both soaked the seed and dribbled it onto a wet paper towel, without issues.

Canna recommends diluting the rhizo at 15ml per gallon of water for a seed soak.
 

burgertime2010

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I have been there too. In reality, Rhizotonic is unnecessary until your root has emerged and is seeking out. The tendency is to see this product, or ones like it, as an accellerant rather than an innoculant which is it's real power. The speedy germination is always nice but we are looking for strong, disease resistant plants, a root zone that is extensive and so on. Seeds need to be left alone in the warm darkness and ignored as difficult as it is. The pure water has produced a single root ready for planting and ready for its underground micro-world (rhizosphere) to be useful. An untreated seedling planted beside one soaked will not have significant benefit long term. The way I look at it is similar to a vaccination and is appropriate as an infant rather a fetus. Sea kelp, another powerful innoculant, protects against potential slow-downs, rhizotonic encourages root mass and nutrient uptake and as a seed might be overkill. 2 weeks from germination is a good time to give it the juice.
 

jela10

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As a person familiar with statistics I can say that I failed miserably at making an apples-to apples comparison here...I didn't mention the strains or the time order of events as I was really was trying to recover from something going wrong by trying more seeds without it. But I thought it was interesting that two different strains at "16"ml/gal showed the same characteristics. The inner seed lining is now a thing to watch for me...Actually, the experience led me to Subcools method for which I will ever be grateful. No more soaking, no paper towels...just turn a rapid rooter upside down and jab it with the back of some tweezers and shove the seed in with the pointed end down. Set them in a plastic shoe box after moistening and cover with a small CFL directly over to keep things warm and swampy inside. What a breeze! I even shoved a seed in that was cracked along the side, straight from the breeder's pack...it came up too. Still going to use my Rhizo after roots show....no mater how fishy it smells.
 

jela10

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After mentioning the "fishy" smell of Rhizo above (trying not to be x-rated here) I just remembered......when I crack open my Cannazyme bottle I get this sudden urge to take a sip, it smells that good..call me freakin weird but I swear it smells like the grain roasting at the Anheuser Busch plant when I visit there. You know some folks like the smell of gasoline, for me it's Cannazyme...I could splash it on like aftershave!
 

HughDunit

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I use Rhizo all the time, think it's the best root stimulator out there and have frankly lost my fear of using it or even being super careful about measuring it during a grow. Somewhere here on RIU I read that somebody was soaking seeds in it and somebody else was adding it to paper towels when germinating....so I finally gave in and gave it a try. My results were not too awesome....I tried the following experiment;

1 seed soaked in Rhizo water for 24hrs then dropped into paper towels then placed in a rapid rooter.
2 seeds soaked in plain water 24 hours, germed in paper towels then placed in rapid rooter soaked with Rhizo water.
3 seeds stuffed straight into rapid rooter (Subcool method) with plain RO water to moisten.

Results; anything to do with Rhizo during seed pre-soak or rapid rooter pre-soak brought up seedlings fast but either had problems dropping the seed hull, or a skin from the inside of the hull captivated the cotyledons and kept them from opening up. All three sprouts with issues showed the same trait with the cotyledons....they remained curled over to one side, unable to spread leaflets and absorb light. They exibit a "reddish" colored band around the stems. The three seeds jammed into plain watered rapid rooters, popped up, spread cotyledons and started looking healthy. I was able to take an exact-o knife and fine tipped tweezers under a scope and surgically remove the "hull liner" that entrapped the sprouts with issues. They are growing but looking a little "stunted". Kind'a looks like the one Rhizo soaked seed popped a tap root during soak faster than ever in my history, but the end result was the same....a membrane from inside the hull couldn't be shed once above ground. Anyhow, whether this was a controlled experiment or not I might just stick with the old "Subcool" germ standard. BTW, not 24 hours after all 6 were up and opened they all got some Rhizo and Canna "Start"...no ill effects there or since then.
wow i started a thread on the main board after having issues with my seeds dying or doing what you exactly explained. I have switched to canna nutes in the past two months and have been using rhizo to germinate...ok not a good idea as i have nothing but problems. Thanks for this post its cleared my suspicions on using rhizo at the germination stage. :)
 

HughDunit

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BTW i forgot to add that since changing to canna products (previous to my current issues with germinating) the plants i have grow with canna have been so friggen good. Healthy plants, bigger buds and all round bliss. In the 3 plants i used canna i didnt get any nute issues and my plants were bigger and healthy than i have ever seen.

Shame its a bit pticey..but its well worth it!
 

AzCannaMan

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BTW i forgot to add that since changing to canna products (previous to my current issues with germinating) the plants i have grow with canna have been so friggen good. Healthy plants, bigger buds and all round bliss. In the 3 plants i used canna i didnt get any nute issues and my plants were bigger and healthy than i have ever seen.

Shame its a bit pticey..but its well worth it!
You get what you pay for my friend.... Unless you are using AN LMFAO!!! Fuck AN - Canna FTW!!!!!!
 

GrwrsWrhs

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My Blue Cheese loves 8 ml of Botanicare's Cal-Mag per Gallon of water along with the Canna line during the first 6 weeks of flower then I drop to 6 ml for the last week then flush for two weeks.
 

jberry

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My Blue Cheese loves 8 ml of Botanicare's Cal-Mag per Gallon of water along with the Canna line during the first 6 weeks of flower then I drop to 6 ml for the last week then flush for two weeks.
Is it Barneys Farm Blue Cheese? Either way, how do u like it? I heard it grows a little wild.
 

jela10

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I recently switched to a "mapito" grow medium for kicks and giggles in 2gal hempy buckets. Mapito is a mixture of rockwool cubes and polyurethane couch foam so I set my Canna Coco A&B aside for the time being and started using Canna Substra. Same ease of use and awesome results. It comes in hard and soft water versions so I just mix the "soft" version with RO water and don't even check pH. Of course I run the full line of Rhizo, Canazyme and Boost. Here's my current G13 PE's at 41 days. BTW, I haven't had to add any additional Cal/Mg as I did with Canna coco.
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Maybe start in week 3 and end after week 5...
Thanks AZ, first time going to be using canna nutes. I will be growing in 5 gal smart pots 50/50 coco perlite mix. Planning on using Coco A+B, Cannazyme, boost, PK 13/14. Also will be using AN Overdrive. anything else I am missing? I know the canna site schedule feeding is hot, how much should I use per gal? all help and suggestion is appreciated.
 

AzCannaMan

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Thanks AZ, first time going to be using canna nutes. I will be growing in 5 gal smart pots 50/50 coco perlite mix. Planning on using Coco A+B, Cannazyme, boost, PK 13/14. Also will be using AN Overdrive. anything else I am missing? I know the canna site schedule feeding is hot, how much should I use per gal? all help and suggestion is appreciated.
depends on strain, try it out full tilt, if tips start to burn lower the base to somewhere between the light and normal feeding schedules. If they continue to burn, go to the light schedule and you should be fine.
 

wilkill

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http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.opengrow.com/gallery/image/98346-imag0354/&h=LAQF3Nqx7

this mine and my friends CANNA grow with the aeroponic2 60 just started flowering 2 -3 wks ago i will post up pics soon and yes he made the journal on another forum but heres mine for rollitup... any questions feel free to ask.. me i personally like growing in dirt but my buddy convinced me to go with aero/hydro i must say i do like the results.. the scrog is pointless and as for all the soil plants we used ff line but gonna start with coco next time :)
 

micadesgns

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Hey all. I'm now 8 weeks flowering on my first Coco grow, Canna nutrients. Here are 3 pics. First pic is lights off, second lights on (duh) third one of my main cola's. gonna start flush next week just useing zym, budswel and bud-xl. gonna double the zym as per azcannaman because gonna re-use the Coco. Trichs are cloudy but no amber yet. i think week, week and a half till chop. Let me know what you think:

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Ok, Its been 9 weeks and i chopped yesterday. will let ya know what the yield is when dry. I've had a couple of PM's about what my feeding schedule was so instead of answering all i'll post the schedule i made for my grows. Mind you i've been growing NYPD which is a 9 week flowering strain, but here it is, i hope its ok to post. Azcannaman if not ok, i'll remove it. just let me know;

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HughDunit

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Ok this might sound (ok it is) like a very newb question BUT i bought the wrong medium to what i previously used and need some advice. In the past i bought the terra line and that was mixed with perlite and soil and fertilized..but on the weekend i didnt really check the packaging (they both look similiar) and bought some coco instead. I realised as i was filling my pots that the soil was much fluffier and lighter and had no perlite. I also remember my hyrdo shop guy telling me that the coco was organic and not fertilized.

So my question is, do i mix some perlite with the coco? I filled the bottom of the pots with 20% perlite but left the medium untouched..what i did do is prepare it for a couple of days by watering it with ph'd water of 5.4 with 4ml of rhizo per litre and letting it bake in the sun.

Am i doing it right? Just a little worried and wanted some answers before i plant my babies in the coco.

Thanks.
 

micadesgns

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i just used the Coco. no perlite. just followed the nute schedule i posted above and had great results. hope this helps. it was my first Coco grow.
 

AzCannaMan

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Ok, Its been 9 weeks and i chopped yesterday. will let ya know what the yield is when dry. I've had a couple of PM's about what my feeding schedule was so instead of answering all i'll post the schedule i made for my grows. Mind you i've been growing NYPD which is a 9 week flowering strain, but here it is, i hope its ok to post. Azcannaman if not ok, i'll remove it. just let me know;

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I like it. I would make the following changes

P/K move up 1 slot, although 3 weeks may be a tad early 4 is probably about right. I usually begin around the end of 3rd week on 10 week strains. Run it till the nugs finish linking together. Maybe from the nd of week 3 to beginning of week 5.

You dont need the BudXL & Sweet if your using Boost.

I've tried the BudXL with a high PK bloom booster and it works great, so go with H&G recommendation and start it half way through bloom (so 4.5 weeks on a 9 week strain)


Nice Job! You should post that purple pic in here :wink:
 
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