The tale of the possible oaxacan bagseed

gigi999

gigi999

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Hi all,
I have been away exactly 10 days and the plants outgrew the whole space big time unfortunately they reached the lamp and the tops are all burnt.
It's incredible the way these things grow!!!

I need help guys, I am going to move the lamp the highest I can but I need to stop the growth now!!

Also what do you guys think I should do with the burnt tops? should I prune the leaves that are burned and then top the plants?
Should I try and bend them instead of topping them?

what should I do???
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gigi999

gigi999

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Ok,
I think it's all under control again.
The plants have finally stopped stretching a good month after 12/12 and they have reached the top of the closet.
The tops are only a few inches from the lamp but it's only a 250 so it doesn't give out that much heat.
I also added a fan that blows straight on the lamp to keep it that little bit cooler.

here are the latest pics.
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hope you enjoy as much as I do :)
 
gigi999

gigi999

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A little update for anybody that is following this journal if anybody is there...

The supposed to be oaxacan babies (remember this is not an indoor strain) have started budding a full 3 weeks after 12/12, the stretch stopped a week after that. I think I'll be in this for the long run.

Since this is my first time and I don't know what to expect at first I thought I would get a lot of so called popcorn buds. I was worried about not having enough light for such a tall plant.

Now, I think I will relax, day by day the many bud sites that are forming seem to almost double daily.
The other day, 6 weeks from the beginning, I finally did a complete res change. Since then it's all taking off!! I think I will try and change the res every 7/10 days from now on:) thanks KP

Ok here are some overview pics
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A young bud shot...
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And a couple of pics of the main stem of the biggest plant. (incredible size if you ask me)
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Feeling a bit lonely on this thread anybody has any thoughts?

Peace
 
sk3tch3

sk3tch3

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first of all you are doing an awesome job!

now, the curling of the leaves is due to too much nutes, if you are able to i would suggest gettin a rinse solustion like clearex or final phase and doing a flush, this will free the salt build up due to the nutes. hit them with fresh water and a high P nute after that hard, they will eat it up like nobodys business. the mexican strains love the P. the abnormal leaf pattern (i.e. 3 leaflets instead of 7-13), is due to stress, im guessing because of the nutes and the lack of space. its not going to hurt to "clean" up the bottems of your plants where light does not penetrate, you can even clone these for next time if you like.

great job and am looking forward to the finish
 
gigi999

gigi999

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HI sk3tc3r,
thanks for the advice I will try and do what you say.
I think it was my fault as I kept refilling with nutes instead of just plain water, now I do a res change after I have refilled with the equivalent of the full res in water, hopefully it will help.
I have noticed that mum which is growing in earth with very little nutes in it and has been doing the same thing, I attributed to the fact that there has been very little natural light lately. She is now stretching as the days are getting shorter and she is growing again normal leaves.

I think the other plants are greatly heat stressed and feel overcrowded too. You think that might contribute to stress? I think so.

I will try and flush for a few days with just PH adjusted water and then go back on the nutes. do you have any suggestion has to what nutes high in P I should get?

It doesn't look to me like the plants exhibit any lack of a particular nute and although they are a bit curled they don't show deficiencies then again what do I know :)

bori, It was very easy to make the light enclosure but I think it turned out to be a waste of time and money as although the cfl are good for veg with plant of my size they had almost no light penetration.
anyway here are some pics of the light.
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the wire is done in parallel in other words all the brown wire is together and all the blue wire is together. I used a mammoth thingy to tighten the wires together as you can see in pics.


the only good buy was the hps and perhaps the big 125w cfl which I am using to do some side lighting right now.
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boricuaboi

boricuaboi

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gigi999 said:
HI sk3tc3r,
thanks for the advice I will try and do what you say.
I think it was my fault as I kept refilling with nutes instead of just plain water, now I do a res change after I have refilled with the equivalent of the full res in water, hopefully it will help.
I have noticed that mum which is growing in earth with very little nutes in it and has been doing the same thing, I attributed to the fact that there has been very little natural light lately. She is now stretching as the days are getting shorter and she is growing again normal leaves.

I think the other plants are greatly heat stressed and feel overcrowded too. You think that might contribute to stress? I think so.

I will try and flush for a few days with just PH adjusted water and then go back on the nutes. do you have any suggestion has to what nutes high in P I should get?

It doesn't look to me like the plants exhibit any lack of a particular nute and although they are a bit curled they don't show deficiencies then again what do I know :)

bori, It was very easy to make the light enclosure but I think it turned out to be a waste of time and money as although the cfl are good for veg with plant of my size they had almost no light penetration.
anyway here are some pics of the light.
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the wire is done in parallel in other words all the brown wire is together and all the blue wire is together. I used a mammoth thingy to tighten the wires together as you can see in pics.


the only good buy was the hps and perhaps the big 125w cfl which I am using to do some side lighting right now.
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i think i was good the way you did it im just going to be using 9 x 26w or 6 x 26w and 3 x 42w cfls cfls in a y splitter design of some sort! c my area is really small so i ill get a nice penetration with my area + it very hot in my room since on the south side of the house in the summer. But DWC ALL the way it will make up for some light
 
gigi999

gigi999

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yeah it's not a bad way, all I am saying is that by doing as I did you soon realize that around 200w of cfl produces about 10000 lumens. I bought a 250w hps which produces around 33000 for more or less the same watts.
Also the 250 is not that hot you can get your hand a couple of inches or less from the bulb quite comfortably.
My space is only 5cmx50cm so it's pretty small too. iw I was you I would go mh/hps way but hey do as you please :)

And here are some pics from yesterday


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sk3tch3

sk3tch3

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hopefully you can get your temps under control before you get too far along in flowering, the fall weather should help. i use the foxfarm trio to pack on alot of phosphorus. open seasme and beastie blooms then cha ching and beastie blooms. but you will still want to purchase a rinse either way. peace
 
gigi999

gigi999

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Hi, I still haven't purchased a rinser as I haven't had the time, I did however replace quite a bit of water with fresh water for now, the ppm is right down at around 600 now.

I had to modify my light a bit as the plants were growing into it. I think it's all looking a bit more under control.

SK I will look into the nutes you told me about and a rinser too.

By the way how do you use the rinser? is it a question of replacing the res with the rinse solution and then replacing it back with the nutes? how long does the rinse have to be in the res?
What if I can't completely replace the rinse when I put the back the nutes?
I am asking as I find it difficult to completely drain the res since I can't move it and I have to scoop out the water from it.

here are some pics of the light with the wire mesh to protect the plants and to get more air flowing over the light. oh and there's the beginning of a cola there too :)
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sk3tch3

sk3tch3

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any bloom formula should work. foxfarm is on the expensive side but the up side is you need very little so it should last along time. i use 1/8 teaspoon at a time each. the rinse litterally washes away salt bonds from roots allowing for the plant to readily uptake nutes. also used for a final rinse before harvest to "flush" depending on the brand, they have instructions on the bottle.
 
gigi999

gigi999

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OK,
I have got final phase now. on the bottle it says to use it 7-10 days before harvest.
Obviously that's not my case so does anybody have any ideas on how long I should use it for before restarting with the nutes?
I also got canna pk 13/14 which I will add to my nutes once the flush is done.

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gigi999

gigi999

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Hey,
I think I gotta thank SK for the advice, I have been flushing them for just about a day now and I can see definite improvements. the leaves are not curling anymore and the plants are definitely getting bushier.
thanks again. I think I will keep 'em like this for another day or so before changing to nutes.
I have bought some canna pk 13/14 and I will make a soup with 3/4 strength of the lucas formula i have been using and half the recommended amount of pk for stronger P. I hope that will work.
I guess we'll see.
It's funny, I get really nervous about changing nutes solutions as I feel I have been taking care of these babies for a long time and don't want to fuck it up.

here are some pics to go along the comments ;)
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gigi999

gigi999

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By the way here is mum living in natural sunlight.
just so you know. After a bit of a messy life going into flowering and leaving it, she is now 3 months(with 7 kids;) ) old and packing plenty of leaves. she has amazing strength and it's keeping up very well. lots of side branches are growing now. she is feeling the change in daylight and has been stretching now for a week or two. OOh such a gentle stretch compared to indoor. I think I will be able to get a lot out of this plant once my space is ready to receive it.
There is virtually no space between leaves. don't know if it's just me but I think at the end this plant will pack a lot bud.

ah all the pics were taken at night so the look is simil-droopy but not really. she'll perk up tomorrow morning :) :)

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and here it's the only top I FINNED look at what happened :)

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can't wait to flower mum she looks so tight!!!
 
gigi999

gigi999

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OK,
here is a little contest... to FIM or not to FIM.
Here is the full plant
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you can see she's got more than 1 top, actually she has 3 so 3 tops are in the test. one has been fimmed and the others haven't.
Can you guess the FIMmed top?

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Post the answer and good luck:):)
 
gigi999

gigi999

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here are some more pictures I think I have at least 6 weeks to go.
What do you think? How long more?

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by the way after the flush I went 3/4 strength on the nutes and they started with 1 leaf again so I took it right down from 1.6 to .8 and I think they like it better... less is more sometimes I guess :)

so anybody can give me an idea on when it's going to be the right time?
 
sk3tch3

sk3tch3

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mexican strains tend to have a longer flower period/ 75-90 days. when you think she is ready, wait a lil longer ;)

you mum is a milf! j/k but really she has turned out very we rounded and the attention you give your plants shows.

good luck and happy growing
 
gigi999

gigi999

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Just looking at the thread, it has been exactly 77 days since I saw preflowers should I count from the preflowers?

if I had to follow the 90 days thing they should be ready in about 3 weeks. to me it looks like it should be longer. Anybody else has any thoughts? when will I be able to smoke some?? I am thinking at least mid october...

yes mum has got a lovely ass ;) again I overnuted her like the others, now she is thriving again... you live and learn :)
 
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