The UK Growers Thread!

makka

makka

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Also I had to find my own way to provide legal by being self employed but I could never compete with the larger corps due to criminal rec
Oh well make the best of what you can is the message I'm getting across lol
 
Greenhouse;save

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DST said:
ignorant, stupid, naive, ungrateful, blah blah, any other insults, you seem full of them!! I have read enough of your drivel (and honestly, I skipped most of it and completely ignored whole posts, probably because I am ignorant). However even if it was legal, I still wouldn't smash your head in with a stone.

edit, oops, forgot to say, thanks for the positive contribution to the thread re MMJ.
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Yep....I've done the same.....
 
Greenhouse;save

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Flowki said:
Calling me a cunt because I have an opposing opinion is not very intelligent, it is what it is.
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I smoked HEAVILY for the past 5 years.......before not so much,joint at bedtime mostly.....my point being,I've gave up smoking (for the time being)with ABSOLUTELY no adverse effects (except boredom lol)the peeps who say cannabis has caused them psychological problems r people with either a week level of self esteem or imo have a week mind to start off with......is seems to be mostly the younger generation with little experience of life that use cannabis as a reason as to why they feel depressed,stressed or any outher reason the feel fit to use........starring at a mobile phone for most of their adult lifes would imo be more their reason for any psychological probs they suffer from......
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Rowdybuds said:
In your opinion. And no it has been legalised in other countries for years now and has never been illegal in others for example, are we not to look to them for information and knowledge. Diagnosis is difficult because it is illegal to research it in many countries that have the ability to research it properly. People cannot make connections unless educated on issues. Your family and friends aren't a conclusive study, are they honest with you about their other drug use? are there social or economic issues as well? mental health issues in the family? and a link to the info you've read if possible so every one can educate themselves. You seem to make assumptions on what everyone knows or doesn't based on if you agree with it or not. Maybe people do know and aren't naive to the issues but feel the benefit to many outweight the negatives to the few. A plan can fail but can also work inaction never solves anything.
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Most of the studies I read were on google scholar, I can't link you to a particular one as I formed my opinions on the whole, on top of what I've seen it do to people over decades. You can key the obvious words yourself and get to reading. I use to think canna was mostly side effect free, I changed my mind after reading and spending real time listening to people I know (the reason I started reading) who were and some still are destroying themselves with it. One thing I realised is it does not play well with depression (I make no claims if it creates or just worsens it) they all said the same thing, Im smoking too much, it's making me worse. Other people in different circles also talked about memory loss of all the heavy smokers I know, it's a common theme.

The memory loss thing is real I know that much for certain, it created a big dispute with a family member and friend. He had agreed to do something but days later it didn't get done, when asked why not he said he never agreed to do it. Then he was accused of lying but in truth he was too stoned, like always.. and forgot he agreed to it. We spent a lot of time together and I've been with him when things happened that he has no recollection of, even down to things he has said and done. A lot of times when I tell him he can remember '''awww shit yeah'' but not always. He also told me that sometimes he confuses a dream with something he was doing when too stoned. Obviously this is not casual smoking, rather heavy daily smoking. However I agree fully with you, of all the drugs to over use cannabis is probably the least punishing out there, but that doesn't make it ok. Over use is over use... and all these people claiming they smoked heavy for 5-10 year with no side effects are either lucky or they are not aware of the damage that has been done. The friends you could have lost over it, the job or partner strain it created, and so on. Heavy smokers in this country are not on the whole outgoing people with responsible jobs.. it's as if cannabis is their comfort blanket, aka face the world and grow up.

Again, using other country's as a legalisation argument is flawed because it automatically assumes said country is right, and that isn't true.

I also stated multiple times that I think heavy cannabis use is justified if you have a good medical reason to use it. I don't think it's justified if you are doing it just for the high, even if the only side effect is the cost, and that isn't a small deal with dependent family on low income.

I never said inaction. Legalise medically, keep it illegal for recreational while they do more research. Making that distinction sends the message that it is medication and you need a good reason to heavily use it, because you do.
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Greenhouse;save said:
I smoked HEAVILY for the past 5 years.......before not so much,joint at bedtime mostly.....my point being,I've gave up smoking (for the time being)with ABSOLUTELY no adverse effects (except boredom lol)the peeps who say cannabis has caused them psychological problems r people with either a week level of self esteem or imo have a week mind to start off with......is seems to be mostly the younger generation with little experience of life that use cannabis as a reason as to why they feel depressed,stressed or any outher reason the feel fit to use........starring at a mobile phone for most of their adult lifes would imo be more their reason for any psychological probs they suffer from......
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Right, so they are weak people who in essence are worth the sacrifice so that those who can handle it can smoke freely. It's the same mentality as not having life guards at a pool, if they can't swim fuck em.

You have any other opinions on offer, other than returning to cave man survival of the fittest?.
 
zeddd

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Flowki said:
Most of the studies I read were on google scholar, I can't link you to a particular one as I formed my opinions on the whole, on top of what I've seen it do to people over decades. You can key the obvious words yourself and get to reading. I use to think canna was mostly side effect free, I changed my mind after reading and spending real time listening to people I know (the reason I started reading) who were and some still are destroying themselves with it. One thing I realised is it does not play well with depression (I make no claims if it creates or just worsens it) they all said the same thing, Im smoking too much, it's making me worse. Other people in different circles also talked about memory loss of all the heavy smokers I know, it's a common theme.

The memory loss thing is real I know that much for certain, it created a big dispute with a family member and friend. He had agreed to do something but days later it didn't get done, when asked why not he said he never agreed to do it. Then he was accused of lying but in truth he was too stoned, like always.. and forgot he agreed to it. We spent a lot of time together and I've been with him when things happened that he has no recollection of, even down to things he has said and done. A lot of times when I tell him he can remember '''awww shit yeah'' but not always. He also told me that sometimes he confuses a dream with something he was doing when too stoned. Obviously this is not casual smoking, rather heavy daily smoking. However I agree fully with you, of all the drugs to over use cannabis is probably the least punishing out there, but that doesn't make it ok. Over use is over use... and all these people claiming they smoked heavy for 5-10 year with no side effects are either lucky or they are not aware of the damage that has been done. The friends you could have lost over it, the job or partner strain it created, and so on. Heavy smokers in this country are not on the whole outgoing people with responsible jobs.. it's as if cannabis is their comfort blanket, aka face the world and grow up.

Again, using other country's as a legalisation argument is flawed because it automatically assumes said country is right, and that isn't true.

I also stated multiple times that I think heavy cannabis use is justified if you have a good medical reason to use it. I don't think it's justified if you are doing it just for the high, even if the only side effect is the cost, and that isn't a small deal with dependent family on low income.

I never said inaction. Legalise medically, keep it illegal for recreational while they do more research. Making that distinction sends the message that it is medication and you need a good reason to heavily use it, because you do.
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How’s the weather in st Petersburg today comrade?
 
Rowdybuds

Rowdybuds

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Flowki said:
Most of the studies I read were on google scholar, I can't link you to a particular one as I formed my opinions on the whole, on top of what I've seen it do to people over decades. You can key the obvious words yourself and get to reading. I use to think canna was mostly side effect free, I changed my mind after reading and spending real time listening to people I know (the reason I started reading) who were and some still are destroying themselves with it. One thing I realised is it does not play well with depression (I make no claims if it creates or just worsens it) they all said the same thing, Im smoking too much, it's making me worse. Other people in different circles also talked about memory loss of all the heavy smokers I know, it's a common theme.

The memory loss thing is real I know that much for certain, it created a big dispute with a family member and friend. He had agreed to do something but days later it didn't get done, when asked why not he said he never agreed to do it. Then he was accused of lying but in truth he was too stoned, like always.. and forgot he agreed to it. We spent a lot of time together and I've been with him when things happened that he has no recollection of, even down to things he has said and done. A lot of times when I tell him he can remember '''awww shit yeah'' but not always. He also told me that sometimes he confuses a dream with something he was doing when too stoned. Obviously this is not casual smoking, rather heavy daily smoking. However I agree fully with you, of all the drugs to over use cannabis is probably the least punishing out there, but that doesn't make it ok. Over use is over use... and all these people claiming they smoked heavy for 5-10 year with no side effects are either lucky or they are not aware of the damage that has been done. The friends you could have lost over it, the job or partner strain it created, and so on. Heavy smokers in this country are not on the whole outgoing people with responsible jobs.. it's as if cannabis is their comfort blanket, aka face the world and grow up.

Again, using other country's as a legalisation argument is flawed because it automatically assumes said country is right, and that isn't true.

I also stated multiple times that I think heavy cannabis use is justified if you have a good medical reason to use it. I don't think it's justified if you are doing it just for the high, even if the only side effect is the cost, and that isn't a small deal with dependent family on low income.

I never said inaction. Legalise medically, keep it illegal for recreational while they do more research. Making that distinction sends the message that it is medication and you need a good reason to heavily use it, because you do.
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As my grandfather used to say opinions are like arseholes everyones got one lol and i'll leave it there, I hope your friends and your family get well dude. Rowdy
 
conor c

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DST said:
actually it's called cyclic vomiting and Doctors in the US are linking this to increased cannabis use.
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Yeah but i doubt its due to toxicity look at cannabis and its ld50 is it possible this cyclic vomiting is linked to an allergy of some kind? i must admit Dst i aint heard of this and will look into this condition as im intrigued now you brought it up
 
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conor c

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makka said:
Noticed something about criminal records holding us back and that shits real I'm certified for all sorts of stuff from electronics to programming to cyber security will anyone touch me with a barge pole will they fuck! In my view everyone deserves a second chance because not all but some people do change like myself I was a violent person now I'm a father to 5 children and people don't believe I'm the same person anymore and it's only been 16 years
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Agreed i know many in a similar situation people make mistakes if we learn from them and change then thats what counts aint it well what should matter imo anyway
 
makka

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Cyclic vomiting is real my friend has it and when he pangs hard it comes back and when he stops smoking or only a little quantity a bit weekly no effects it's strange one
 
conor c

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makka said:
Cyclic vomiting is real my friend has it and when he pangs hard it comes back and when he stops smoking or only a little quantity a bit weekly no effects it's strange one
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Oh i aint doubting if its real or not i just mean i dont know enough on it
 
DST

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conor c said:
Yeah but i doubt its due to toxicity look at cannabis and its ld50 is it possible this cyclic vomiting is linked to an allergy of some kind? i must admit Dst i aint heard of this and will look into this condition as im intrigued now you brought it up
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I never heard of it until @curious old fart told me. I wouldn't begin to have a clue about it to be honest and or the causes, triggers etc.
 
Flowki

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conor c said:
Im Scottish we call everyone cunt ie this cunt that cunt every cunt i wasnt using it as a insult you have a right to your opinions whether i agree or not
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aye that's why ye daint use slang on the net coz al the warld el see it n the daint na what ya on a boot. Ye daft scotesh cunt.
 
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