They seem scared to death about this bullets thing for some reason

Winter Woman · Mar 26, 2013

deprave said:
I thought I explained it well enough in the initial post, at first the mainstream denied it, then they admited it, now a lot of them are denying it again. Notice a bunch of articles you are copy/pasting are old cheesus.

They were printed in the last 24 hours. Not old at all.

Winter Woman · Mar 26, 2013

ChesusRice said:
And even "after" the facts are posted from both Fox News and Republican Tom Coburns website with the actual order, how it is used and where it is consumed. You repost the same shit over and over again. You are either incredibly stupid or a liar.

I could be wrong though

You could just be a stupid liar

Nah, you're a biased lib.

ChesusRice · Mar 26, 2013

Winter Woman said:
Nah, you're a biased lib.

No seriously. You are fat and stupid. You just keep regurgitating what ever shit Alex Jones throws at you

cannabineer · Mar 26, 2013

Winter Woman said:
Then there was this yesterday, March 25th. None so blind as those that refuse to see.

Bullet Buys: Fifteen members of Congress have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security demanding to know why the federal agency is buying so many rounds of ammunition. We'd like to know too.

Freshman California Republican Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues, who signed on to his March 5 letter, are asking the Department of Homeland Security to explain why it is buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition of various calibers. They aren't happy with explanations provided so far in the press by lower-level officials, answers meant to debunk "unfounded" concerns.

As we have noted, DHS has been buying lots of ammo, enough by one calculation to fight the equivalent of a 24-year Iraqi War.

Peggy Dixon, spokeswoman for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga., told the Associated Press that the training center and others like it run by the Homeland Security Department use as many as 15 million rounds every year, mostly on shooting ranges and in training exercises.

The massive purchases are said to be spread out over five years and due simply to the best practice of saving money by buying in bulk what comes down to five rounds of ammo for every man, woman and child on the U.S. That's a lot of practice and training.

A good portion of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition are being purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government's second-largest criminal investigative agency. Yes that's the same ICE that is releasing detained criminal illegal aliens onto our streets because of sequestration cuts.

Jonathan Lasher, the Social Security Administration's assistant inspector general for external relations, explained the purchase of 174,000 hollow-point bullets by saying they were for the Social Security inspector general's office, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.

When they say they're cracking down on waste, fraud and abuse, they apparently mean it.

However, as former Marine Richard Mason told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania recently, hollow-point bullets (which make up the majority of the DHS purchases) are not used for training because they are more expensive than standard firing range rounds. "We never trained with hollow points, we didn't even see hollow points my entire 4-1/2 years in the Marine Corps," Mason said.

LaMalfa offers one theory that's less sinister than some: The federal government is simply trying to corner the market on ammo and restrict what's available to the American people as part of its gun control efforts.

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There is an apples/oranges thing in the last paragraphs. The Marines are military and thus fall under the Geneva Protocols (Convention) banning expanding rounds from the battlefield. civilian agencies, such as police and letter-agency pistoleros, are under no such restriction. cn

ChesusRice · Mar 26, 2013

THEN THERE iS THIS

Responses to Senator Coburn’s November 13, 2012 Letter

1. How many rounds of ammunition has the Department purchased during each of the past three fiscal years? How much did these acquisitions cost?

CBP = U.S. Customs and Border Protection

FLETC = Federal Law Enforcement Training Center

NPPD/FPS = National Protection and Programs Directorate/Federal Protective Service

ICE = U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement

TSA = Transportation Security Administration

USCG = U.S. Coast Guard

[TABLE="width: 629"]

[TR]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USSS = U.S. Secret Service
[/FONT][/FONT]DHS Component
[/TD]

[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 4"]
FY 2010
[/TD]

[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 5"]
FY 2011
[/TD]

[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 3"]
FY 2012
[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 2"]
Rounds purchased
[/TD]

[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 3"]
Cost
[/TD]

[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 3"]
Rounds purchased
[/TD]

[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 2"]
Cost
[/TD]

[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 3"]
Rounds purchased
[/TD]

[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 2"]
Cost
[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]CBP
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]66,248,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$17,376,248
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]48,461,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$13,895,900
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]36,475,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$12,255,040
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]FLETC
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]17,056,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$5,507,057
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]22,735,654
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$7,062,254
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]7,678,946
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$2,485,045
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]NPPD/FPS
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]2,946,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$976,621
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]1,498,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$517,412
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]2,804,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$928,345
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ICE
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]25,212,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$7,703,308
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]13,221,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$4,505,731
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]28,061,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$6,633,460
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]TSA
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]15,383,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$2,818,760
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]7,124,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$2,010,642
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]14,864,000
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$4,484,581
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USCG
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]17,472,325
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$11,465,150
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]6,782,540
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$8,442,495
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]9,791,274
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$8,309,944
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USSS
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]3,997,500
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$2,097,971
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]8,841,860
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$1,802,871
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]3,503,980
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$1,439,495
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]
[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Total DHS
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]148,314,825
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$47,945,115
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]108,664,054
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$38,237,305
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]103,178,200
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$36,535,910
[/FONT][/FONT][/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

ChesusRice · Mar 26, 2013

[TD="width: 50%"] 2. Does DHS plan to purchase more ammunition in the current fiscal year? How much is budgeted for ammunitions acquisitions? DHS Components
[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"] FY 2013 Estimates for Ammunition Acquisitions
[/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]CBP
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$12,528,146
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]FLETC
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$5,900,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]NPPD/FPS
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$470,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ICE
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$5,200,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]TSA
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$4,515,552
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USCG
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$7,400,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USSS
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$1,250,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Total DHS
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]$37,263,698
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

ChesusRice · Mar 26, 2013

[TD="width: 50%"] 3. How many rounds of ammunition does the Department currently have in its inventory? How are these rounds allocated to each of its agencies?
DHS Components

[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"] Component Inventory as of November 20, 2012
[/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]CBP
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]94,404,329
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]FLETC
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]18,797,942
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]NPPD/FPS
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]2,500,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ICE
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]42,300,000
[/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]TSA
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]29,909,514
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USCG
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]70,258,197
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USSS
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]5,563,380
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Total DHS
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]263,733,362
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

ChesusRice · Mar 26, 2013

4. Please describe how DHS (and its component agencies) plan to use this ammunition. How many rounds are allocated for training? How many are allocated for operational use? How many rounds are allocated for other purposes?
CBP: Approximately 70 percent of CBP ammunition is used for quarterly qualifications, mandated firearms training, advanced firearms training, as well as testing and evaluation. Twenty percent of CBP ammunition is allocated to maintaining CBP’s operational posture. This includes rounds for duty use, as well as for maintaining CBP’s special response teams. The remaining 10 percent is dedicated to maintaining ammunition reserves at both the national and local levels.
FLETC: All FLETC ammunition is purchased, distributed, and used for law enforcement training. No ammunition is allocated for operational or other use.
NPPD/FPS: FPS allocates 1,000 rounds of ammunition per firearm per year for quarterly qualifications and training, to include advanced firearms training exercises, as well as ammunition to support law enforcement operations.
ICE: ICE allocates 1,000 rounds of ammunition per firearm per year for quarterly qualifications and training, to include advanced firearms training exercises, special response team training, and ammunition to support law enforcement operations.
TSA: Approximately 21 million rounds of TSA’s current inventory are reduced-hazard, lead-free frangible training ammunition, which is used exclusively for training. The remaining rounds are duty ammunition, which are used for both training and operational purposes. Overall, approximately 35 percent of TSA ammunition is allocated for operational use (qualifications and duty carry). Fewer than 100,000 rounds are used for other purposes annually, including firearms testing and evaluation.
USCG: USCG allocates its ammunition inventory for Non-Combat Expenditure Allowance (NCEA) and ship-fill purposes. The NCEA, available to both shore units and cutters, is used for training and for non-defense operations including maritime law enforcement operations. USCG ship-fill allowances are specific to cutters and are designed for use on defense operations. January

USSS: USSS plans to use the above mentioned ammunition for training, research, and operational use as needed to maintain professional firearms proficiency. Based on a review of recent historical data, USSS plans to allocate approximately 60 percent of the ammunition for training, 38 percent for operational use, and 2 percent for quality control testing of all ammunition and function firing of all new and repaired weapons.

ChesusRice · Mar 26, 2013

[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 3"] 5. Please detail approximately how many rounds DHS and its component agencies have used for training and operational purposes during the past three fiscal years.
DHS Component

[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 4"] FY 2010
[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 4"] FY 2011
[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%, colspan: 3"] FY 2012
[/TD]

[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 2"] Training purpose
[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 3"] Operational purposes
[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 2"] Training purpose
[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 2"] Operational purposes
[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 3"] Training purpose
[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%, colspan: 2"] Operational purposes
[/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]CBP
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]42,616,129
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]13,888,595
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]33,380,176
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]13,830,548
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]23,358,285
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]14,550,803
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]FLETC
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]23,391,012
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]0
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]20,800,782
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]0
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]16,939,215
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]0
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]FPS/NPPD
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]2,356,800
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]589,200
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]1,198,400
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]299,600
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]5,798,400
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]1,449,600
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]ICE
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]20,169,600
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]5,042,400
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]10,576,800
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]2,644,200
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]22,448,800
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]5,612,200
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]

[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]TSA
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]8,200,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]4,400,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]8,200,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]4,400,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]8,200,000
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]4,400,000
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[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USCG
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]9,406,788
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]2,384
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]9,969,412
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]3,989
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]9,461,664
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]9,004
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[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]USSS
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]3,298,910
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]1,230,800
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]3,086,200
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]2,340,740
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]2,133,570
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]1,866,240
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[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Total DHS
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[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]109,439,239
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]25,153,379
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]87,211,770
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 2"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]23,519,077
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%, colspan: 3"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]88,339,934
[/FONT] [/FONT][/TD]
[TD="width: 14%"][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]27,887,847
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Dr Kynes · Mar 26, 2013

ChesusRice said:
Im posting the hhs report to senator coburn
And deprave show where the DHS ever denied the purchase

why are you constructing a strawman? he said the "Mainstream" (press) denied it, not DHS.

DHS cannot deny it, but the blathering talking heads and editorial shadow brokers of the newswires and the networks kept the whole proposition under wraps pretending that the hadnt heard shit.

as several months passed shit became less and less secret since it was a HUGE and UNPRECEDENTED buy particularly from an organization crying poverty and claiming they were out of funding.

when the Armored Personnel Carriers and new more powerful SMG's (technically Sturmgewehrs, automatic carbines firing a round more powerful than a pistol cartidge, but less powerful than a full rifle round)) came to l;ight, the story broke like a wave, and the big networks, papaers and newswires jumped on board, then after a day or two ridiing the crest of the wave, the "Legitimate press" started farting out silly stories like the ones you keep posting.

the DHS claims that they expend MILLIONS of rounds every year is patently ridiculous, and this does not explain why they would need to buy BILLIONS of rounds.
they havent "Expended" any APC's or Strumgewehrs so this specious claptrap doesnt even begin to explain why they need THOUSANDS of APC's or THOUSANDS of new machine guns packing a 5.56 nato cartridge.

repeating the lies told to a senator who happens to be a republican doesnt alter the nature of the lie, nor give it a veneer of credibility.

youre entire line of argument thus far has been "Nuhh Uhhhhh!!!! U R A Poopie-Head!!!!"

the facts remain undisputed, and all you have provided in refutation is weak excuses, ridiculous claims, and silly transparent lies proviided to you by the exact same assholes who started the conspiracy nuts speculating by pretending this shit didnt actually happen.

Doer · Mar 26, 2013

Canna Sylvan said:
"Youth must dedicate themselves to study, work and military service. Youth must learn to think and act as a mass," Che.

Yes.

And to prevent that, decadence is a tool. The youth of the ghetto in the 80s were beginning to be too para-military, too Panther. Too self organizing.

So, they introduced a little something they learned about in CIA. Crack Cocaine.

No good, no bad, just struggle.

Dr Kynes · Mar 26, 2013

Doer said:
Yes.

And to prevent that, decadence is a tool. The youth of the ghetto in the 80s were beginning to be too para-military, too Panther. Too self organizing.

So, they introduced a little something they learned about in CIA. Crack Cocaine.

No good, no bad, just struggle.

HA HA HA HA!!!

ohh man thats hilarious.

crack cocaine is a simple leap of logic, making freebasing easier.

smoking cocaine is not new, it has been around for a very long time, but smoking powder cocaine is a pain in the butt. cooking the coke with talc and baking soda to "rock it up" was not invented by the CIA nor does anyone smuggle rocks. smokeable rock cocaine was invented by freebasers, to make freebasing easier.

powder cocaine is shipped to various locations (due to the supply and demand mechanics of the free markets) where it is subsequently rocked up for use by crackheads, which allows the sale of impoure heavily ammended coke to sell in small easy to handle units which actually makes MORE profit than selling powder cocaine, since the purity of said cocaine is eaiser to test.

if the CIA wanted to destabilize the "Black Community" they have many better ways, crack was a market phenomenon, not a plot by shadowy forces to "Keep The Black Man Down". thats the lie they tell themselves to justify failure. it's scapegoating, the same way hitler blamed the jews for all germany's ill, the same way the south blamed blacks for all their ill, and the same way democrats blame anyone who disagrees with their foolishness for all the world's ills.

Doer · Mar 26, 2013

But that is my point. No matter what they say or any truth to it, it's all a big plot by the man the keep the brothers down....isn't it?

ChesusRice · Mar 26, 2013

Dr Kynes said:
why are you constructing a strawman? he said the "Mainstream" (press) denied it, not DHS.

.

The mainstream press DENIED it?

WTF old man. Maybe they didnt cover it

BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FUCKING STORY

Dr Kynes · Mar 26, 2013

ChesusRice said:
The mainstream press DENIED it?

WTF old man. Maybe they didnt cover it

BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FUCKING STORY

seems like theres a story to me....

"DHS expends MILLIONS of rounds every year" BULLSHIT

"DHS needs to buy BILLIONS of rounds in bulk" BULLSHIT

"It's all very ordinary" BULLSHIT

when the most overreaching law enforcement agency in the country startsd making contracts for BILLIONS of rounds, THOUSANDS of Armoured Personell Carriers, and THOUSANDS of new machine guns in the midst of a supposed economic crisis which will slash their funding, people ask questions.

when the people who are supposed to be watching this shit have NO COMMENT for months, then jump on the bandwagon and flog the previously cataloged "non-story" as if it is an ACTUAL STORY, then suddenly re-reverse themselves and start making transparent excuses, repeating weak and obvious lies, and pretending that the patently false data they are porovided is somehow accurate and caan be trusted, since the gubmint would never lie to the press or the peoiple...

yeah something is going on.

and Barry Seotoro's "Most Transparent Administration In History" doesnt seem to be that transparent. it is quite Opaque.

ChesusRice · Mar 26, 2013

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp

Guess no story on the APCs either

Dr Kynes · Mar 26, 2013

ChesusRice said:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp

Guess no story on the APCs either

another half truth.

46,000 rounds would be unnoticed,, but they contracted for BILLIONS OF ROUNDS and now assert that they fire TENS OF MILLIONS of rounds every year. pick a story and stick with it.

and the APC's are merely on loan from the US marine Corps, and SDHS just had them fitted out with street chassis instead of all terrain suspension....

DHS has in fact acquired these vehicles and the expense is bourne by DHS not the USMC, and th evehicles will be operated by DHS onn the streets of the USA, so the subtle distinctions are again used to conceal the fact that the DHS HAS ACQUIRED APC's. for us within the US, and HAS contracted out for BILLIONS of rounds, and HAS contracted out for a new compact automatic carbine chambered in 5.56 nato, but it's all lies because alex jones cant keep the details straight.

funny though, i got these reports from Rueters newswire when they were still just "rumours" not from alex jones. tom sullivan (syndicated radio host dealing mainly with financial matters) was chatting about the bullet buys, the apc's and the machine guns on the radio 2 months ago, and he got it off AP and other news services, not from alex jones.

and the reports all said "DHS Bought Tanks!" in their headlines. so the "legitimate press" can put out a lie, then call everybody else liars because THEY put out the false story in the first place?

so it's Not A Story, then It's A Story, then It's A Fabrication, then It's a Story, then It's All Made Up, then It's A Story again, then It's all just a rumour started by alex jones...

the mainstream "legitimate press" cant make up their minds, so why are you so certain whats going on?

cannabineer · Mar 26, 2013

"street suspensions"? cn

Dr Kynes · Mar 26, 2013

yep.

street chassis.

lower center of gravity, shorter travel on the suspension, weaker springs and slower shocks, since they dont have to bounce over artillery craters, rocks or gullies, they can take some of the Iron butt out of the ride, which saves on fuel costs, reduces rolllover hazards, increases speeds, and provides a ride which delivers your troops well rested and ready to oppress the populace, instead of a lumpy mass of liquid and bone slumping onto the street when you open the rear door.

riding in a personnel carrier over rough terrain often feels more like a trip through a juicing machine than transportation. even on city streets that are less than Optimal.

ChesusRice · Mar 27, 2013

fluoride!!!!

They seem scared to death about this bullets thing for some reason

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