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Are you making up for the Hitler thing? (which, by the way, was perfect) https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/220083-bubblehead-gang-171.html#post3302649
Thinking about going bubbleponics? This should convince you...
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OregonMeds
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I question and I poke fun always. Hitler was approprate because the hype is over the top and sounds hitlerish but I wasn't actually attacking these guys or their method that's entirely different.
Instead I'm trying it, and if it doesn't live up to the hype I'll ask for help, and if it still doesn't live up to the hype then maybe there will be some point in creating a thread about it.
Instead I'm trying it, and if it doesn't live up to the hype I'll ask for help, and if it still doesn't live up to the hype then maybe there will be some point in creating a thread about it.
Lt Shiny Sides
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Illegal, all you do is go around bashing on the bubbleheads and bubbleponics. No bubblehead has ever forced their system on anyone and we never said that a pump and feeder tubes is the only way to grow. Everyone has their own methods that work for them. We are merely informing people of the growth rates that can be achieved using feeder tubes. If you don't agree, keep it to yourself unless you do a test of your own that shows regular DWC is better than bubbleponics.
i agree, illegal u r b n a dickbrain, Ive done 3 soil grows, i have close friends that grow, and looking at the results, these guys r getting, in a small space, no dobt. I'm sold, jus waiting on my order
In a room full of dicks there is always someone who wants to b a pussie
In a room full of dicks there is always someone who wants to b a pussie
infexion1134
Active Member
Illegal, I've read your posts before and I think what annoys you is the trademarked aspect of "bubbleponics". It is an effective method, it works good and people like it. Same with your method, it's effective and you like it.
sophanox
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The fact is, bubbleponics isn't really as revolutionary or as special as stealth hydro claims. Don't get me wrong, it's a good system and clearly provides superb results, but the fact remains it's still a dwc that has just been adapted ever so slightly by pumping the oxygenated water directly to the root zone, rather than just letting it wick up. I can see where Illegalsmile is coming from as stealth hydro are making a mint off over hyping this realistically rather small adaptation. No doubt praying on the naivety of new hydro growers. However, on the other hand, it is easy to setup, use and the end results are of course excellent; so is thus perfect for a new grower.
The whole bubbleponics craze, no matter how underserved it may be, has made this forum into what it is today, so there is at least one positive about it!
The whole bubbleponics craze, no matter how underserved it may be, has made this forum into what it is today, so there is at least one positive about it!
OregonMeds
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So someone's making a mint on it, they're also showing how to do DIY it free like I said and that makes it all ok to me.
Here's a system that looks interesting I came across today.
It's described as a combination top feed/aero/dwc setup so I guess some of the drip lines drip and some must be sprayers.
Is this a violation of your patent or just different enough they get away with it?
Supposedly it's designed to grow big trees but I don't really see the point in having two trees growing from it though, they're too close together. Interesting anyway...
Here's a system that looks interesting I came across today.
It's described as a combination top feed/aero/dwc setup so I guess some of the drip lines drip and some must be sprayers.
Is this a violation of your patent or just different enough they get away with it?
Supposedly it's designed to grow big trees but I don't really see the point in having two trees growing from it though, they're too close together. Interesting anyway...
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I don't hold a grudge against the guys who "invented" the hula hoop or the pet rock either, although I am sensitive to trickery in marketing. Of course it works well, it's dwc, but it's very debatable whether it is any kind of improvement. And debate is what is not allowed. Back when I sported the bubbleheads logo (that's right I was a charter member) I was viciously attacked for suggesting in one post that "maybe" the pump and tubes could be left out. That's when I saw the light (and the dogma and the hypocrisy). The idea of leaving out the pump and tubes is anathema because it could burst the (pardon the pun) bubble.
I'm not looking for a guru and I'm not going to be anyone's blind follower. Unfortunately many will. No-one wants to explain why pumping water to the inner root zone (whatever that means) is so special, it's just another kind of drip. Instead noobs are being shown pictures as proof that prove nothing. They are supposed to think - "if I buy this I can grow that." Well of course they can, but they could without it too. It's like putting a fifth wheel on a car and calling it a breakthrough. The fact is that if the cube is damp enough and not too wet it doesn't matter a hill of beans how that was achieved.
As for "bubbleponics" being a craze, in what reality is that? It is a small minority of people on riu using it, and half of those using the term bubbleponics are not using the pump and feeder tubes at all. Sophanox, you are being open-minded and objective and I see that in all your posts. Don't end up like Galileo.
Roseman
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Is the Ostrich still here posting? I have him on IGNORE and only have to see his posts, if they are copied back in a post.
I saw him giving advice about doing and setting up a DRIP system, using tubes and water pumps on a different thread. He told the guy how to set the timing for the Drip feeding tubes.
I saw him giving advice on T-5s and then admited he had not used them yet but was going to order some and try them.. I saw him giving advice on Harvesting and he's never done that either. I did see a pic of his first grow. They were half the size that plants would normally be, to be that old.
Now he's giving advice on bubbleponics and never done that either????
Strange bird.
I just don't want or trust a fat person telling me how to lose weight, you know what I mean?
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Note that when they are unable or unwilling to respond to the message, they attack the individual. You don't see that with the confident.
Lt Shiny Sides
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Roseman has you blocked so he can't respond to a post that he cannot see. You are right that a lot of bubbleheads do not have the pump and tubes, and this is because most of us take them out after about 3-4 weeks. After the first couple weeks, the feeder tubes have done their job by getting the roots to the deep water faster than any other system. Then, the pump and tubes are unnecessary. We all agree that you can grow great bud without the pump and tubes but they really do give the plants a head start early in life and if you don't like using them that's fine but please stop going from thread to thread discrediting our system. And like roseman said, I saw a couple pics of one of your grows that were a lot smaller than mine at the same age and this is my first grow! Now what does that say?
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Interesting since I don't think I've posted a picture on riu since you've been a member (my attorney wife opposes it). But if you have it, let's see it! I get roots in the water at day 6-7, you?
ps I don't even want to engage in this banter. Let's just say I've never grown anything. Any pictures I ever posted were taken from the internet. Hell, I've never even smoked the stuff. A-and all the advice I've ever posted was all wrong, I pay people to give me +reps. I also club baby seals to death and eat puppies for dinner. I am a DEA agent. I rape babies and I flew the jets into the WTC, both of them. I shot JFK, and JR.
Surely in view of that there is no reason why we need a dialog on just what "the art of delivering highly oxygenated nutrient solution DIRECTLY to the inner root zone" actually means. No reason for any thinking person to want to know "why" and "how" SPIT (submerged pump irrigation technology) makes plants grow faster. It just does. Magic. Look how much time the bubbleheads will save now that they don't have to think.
RPsmoke420
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Because a select few offended you, your group us all into one category ? And label us all ? Thanks...
The feeder tubes provide more water, and more nutes directly to the plant. These nutes, and the water do not have to travel as far up the plant in order to be used. They take a "shortcut" with the feeder tubes.
Same reason why foliar feeding is used by some people. Quicker travel for the nutes/water.
Both of these were answered in some semi-recent ask-ed's. That is Ed Rosenthal. A far bigger name in botany then Illegal Smile I think.
Have you considered maybe, that you are the one with blinders on ? Roseman has made DIY threads, teaching people how to make this system on the cheap, easily, without using the "evil" SH "empire". He tells us where else to buy the parts, he has done the research to make sure we get the best deals on these parts when we follow his advice. He is nothing but helpful. I would say a good 1/4 or more of the bubbleheads have a DIY tub vs. sh mail order tub. Ordering from SH is just easy and quick for me. Next up is a ebb and flow project. I grow in soil outside. I don't have any bias towards any method of growing. We are all looking for the same goal. We all have something in common. Why not spread love vs. hate ? Encourage vs. talk down. Be happy my friend.
You also talk about marketing, as if advertising is bad ? Or do you think it has to be exact ? Do you think K&N filters add 10+HP ? Nope, but they claim to. Does that mean they are garbage and there is no science behind it and it's a gimick ? Nope. You toot your own horn when advertising. You have to. Over hype it. It's all part of the "game". But, for the record, I have never seen a bubblehead talk down about other systems the way YOU do, constantly might I add.
I have tried repeated debate with you. I have even pm'd you as to keep it private. You have never responded to me, not once. I have been nothing but nice and respectful to you. Heck, you are still listed under "friend" on this account here. I don't understand why you have so much distaste for us...
And why do you consider this an attack ? Not to offend, but are you hyper sensitive ? If so, maybe the internet isn't the best social media for you. Again, no offense met. I just do not understand how you get offended by someone pointing out your qualifications, or lack thereof. You spew your opinion all over this site as if it is fact. Yet, you have nothing that qualifies you as a growing expert, or a knowledgeable grower in any stretch of the imagination. You have zero first hand experience. You remind me of those child rearing books, written by authors who have never once had a child. You give advice on T-5 lighting, but have never used it. Advice on bubbleponics, but haven't been successful with it. I just understand where you get off on this "smack talk"
Good luck with life. You will need it if this is any reflection of who you are. Take care IS and best wishes.
Nothing but love.
purpdaddy
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Interesting since I don't think I've posted a picture on riu since you've been a member (my attorney wife opposes it).
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I dont EVER recall you posting a picture
.I also see who wears the pants in the family.
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Roseman recalls me posting pictures of scraggly little plants as does LT, you don't recall me ever posting a picture. As for the pants, hell yeah. She who must be obeyed.Interesting since I don't think I've posted a picture on riu since you've been a member (my attorney wife opposes it).
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I dont EVER recall you posting a picture
.I also see who wears the pants in the family.
ps I'm tempted to go take a pic right now of my 6 week old today plants. They're even in an old SH tote (the only part of that I kept). Ohhh but I'm skeeered, she'd hurt me bad!!
RPsmoke420
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my point proven. Thanks anyway IS.
Lt Shiny Sides
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You say you've never posted a picture but I found the one that Roseman and I were talking about. Your pic is 21 days and mine is 24 days. While there is a 3 day difference, you can see that bubbleponics does provide a bit of a head start. Check it out.
My plants at 24 Days:What a coincidence since I just posted in another thread that my attorney wife does not approve of me posting pictures. But what she doesn't know won't hurt her, now and then anyway. This was taken this am, these are 21 days today. The 2 on the right are OG Kush and the 2 on the left Barney's Farm LSD (there's a variety of highs). The OG are definitely more bushy but not as much as this picture makes it seem, The plant in the rear right is so large horizontally that the one in front of it has begun leaning forward toward the camera so you are seeing more breadth of leaf. They are on Humboldt nutes and have never been hand watered or fed with any tube or drip since germination.
