Throwing all the cards in the air at once - what could go wrong???
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Renfro
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I sure hope they aren't like my GMO cut. That plant had an extra couple weeks of stretch! She just kept going and going and going, right up into the lights despite all efforts to train and limit that.
I personally hate it when the stretch gets out of control, I am already shooting for max area fill and I don't have any extra ceiling height to play with.
I personally hate it when the stretch gets out of control, I am already shooting for max area fill and I don't have any extra ceiling height to play with.
OldMedUser
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Those are some stretchy girls alright and most likely not done yet. I always liked running MH light during the stretch for the leggy girls and getting into Indica plants more these days.
Hope they don't go too much higher.
;peace:
Hope they don't go too much higher.
;peace:
greg nr
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Ok, almost at the end of week 5 and they have developed an N deficiency, so I gave them a dose and will see if it helps. Also have a little heater burn in here; they grew not only to the lights, but into the heater also. 
They are now within 6 inches of the lights, and I'm still bending them.
But otherwise they are doing just fine.
They are now within 6 inches of the lights, and I'm still bending them.But otherwise they are doing just fine.
OldMedUser
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True that. Seems everything in the shadows is a nice healthy green. pH out of whack maybe locking out micros would be my guess. Some burnt and curled tips on the upper lime-green leaves too.
Hmmm . . .
greg nr
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Doubt it's lock out. It's an organic grow and it's usually very stable. Could be light bleaching the leaves. The lighter leaves are directly under the light. If the nutrient bump doesn't do anything, I'll dial the lights back a bit. For the most part, the leaves are fading evenly in the center. Where the heater abused the leaves they browned and curled. One step at a time now.
They aren't in total distress yet. One of the wonders of soil is problems take a while to roll, and take a while to resolve.
As the instruction manual says... DON'T PANIC!
It looks a little like sentience, but its too early. even with co2, it shouldn't be happening with colas that aren't mature.
Nizza
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could be pH out of wack or just a food deficiency for flowering. I would add a little silica, and be a little heavier on K and a little bit more P... But I would make sure the medium isn't clogged out. You may benefit from a small leeching to get rid of excess salts so that way you can push the pedal down. It could also be a watering infrequency problem causing bad pH and soil salinity problems, if they are outgrowing their space!
I doubt they are outgrowing that space, those planters look nice and big so I would bet on parts of the soil getting a little to dry vs the other side, or some sort of pH problem ( probably due to moisture stress), and that is causing lack of uptake. They want to thrive and something is off
what do you measure your ph and ppm with and what nutes? what soil? and what is your "regime"
I doubt they are outgrowing that space, those planters look nice and big so I would bet on parts of the soil getting a little to dry vs the other side, or some sort of pH problem ( probably due to moisture stress), and that is causing lack of uptake. They want to thrive and something is off
what do you measure your ph and ppm with and what nutes? what soil? and what is your "regime"
greg nr
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The container is a sip planter, so water wicks up as needed. It's about 7-8 gallons of soil for 2 plants. They have been really thirst lately and the res has been dry at 3-4 days. I'm going to water more frequently to not let it dry out.
The soil is a super soil like blend based on build-a-soil klackamoot formula. I only add water, some kelp mix, and beneficials like tribus, recharge and mamoth p. I do occasionally add some mag-sulphur at this phase. I also added some growkashi and had a really good mycillium patch on the soil.
It usually goes like clock work. The soil usually lasts till sentience, then all is good. No flush needed because no salts used and soil exhausts itself.
But this run I'm using a lot of co2 and I'm running it warmer which is upping the food and water burn rate. They also have grown a lot closer to the lights. I am going to look at dropping the temps and humidity, but still in the vpd range (not yet though).
I'm trying more water, more food, more microbes, and I'll try less light if needed. So far, this isn't a crisis. The colas are forming nicely. The leaves are a concern. But not a panic at this point.
Runoff isn't applicable. Salt buildup isn't applicable. Open to ideas, but not going to jump off a cliff yet.
greg nr
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On closer inspection, it is almost certainly light burn. I can't raise the lights, but I can dim them.
The key tell is the lightest leaves are directly under the light, and the palest leaves are hard to pull off. The more remote leaves and those down lower seem healthy. I didn't give them an insulting dose of N rich supplements, so no harm done there.
I'll reduce the intensity by 20% and keep an eye on it.
The key tell is the lightest leaves are directly under the light, and the palest leaves are hard to pull off. The more remote leaves and those down lower seem healthy. I didn't give them an insulting dose of N rich supplements, so no harm done there.
I'll reduce the intensity by 20% and keep an eye on it.
greg nr
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So another week plus and it seems to have stabilized. The yellow leaves didn't green up, but I didn't expect them to. It hasn't worsened so I think I'll be ok. I did lose a few tops to heater burn, but I diverted the air so that has stopped as well.
I bent the stems to lean the tops directly under the light off to the sides. They are bulking up nicely.
Still a lot of pale, but new growth is green, and the pale isn't spreading. I've never had plants that close to the lights before. I think I'll save the sativas for outdoors.......
I bent the stems to lean the tops directly under the light off to the sides. They are bulking up nicely.
Still a lot of pale, but new growth is green, and the pale isn't spreading. I've never had plants that close to the lights before. I think I'll save the sativas for outdoors.......
Why only water? Those plants are in the final phase where they pack on the weight and bulk up. Denying them the food they require to properly go through the final finish phase doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
greg nr
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Just what I've always done. It's an organic grow, so I don't usually add anything unless they are showing signs of hunger, although this run I did supplement some food after week 5. The last two +/-weeks they get to use what food reserves they have stored or can pull from the soil.
I don't need road flares...
I might try it another time. This run I just want to finish clean since I had issues with light and heater stress.
Just what I've always done. It's an organic grow, so I don't usually add anything unless they are showing signs of hunger, although this run I did supplement some food after week 5. The last two +/-weeks they get to use what food reserves they have stored or can pull from the soil.
I don't need road flares...
I might try it another time. This run I just want to finish clean since I had issues with light and heater stress.
I was just curious
I've never done a completely organic grow, so I'm unfamiliar with that style's details.
Thanks for the info!
thumper60
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Looks good I would say those have 4-5 more weeks
greg nr
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Yup, no brown hair yet. Could be a while more....
greg nr
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Ok, approaching the end of week 10 and they still have another week or so. Lots of cloudy trich's, but I didn't see any amber yet.
I dropped the humidity to 50% and the temps to 74. Those buds are so big I don't want to invite rot.
These are my biggest colas ever. thanks guys for all the tips!
I dropped the humidity to 50% and the temps to 74. Those buds are so big I don't want to invite rot.
These are my biggest colas ever. thanks guys for all the tips!
