Topdawg Genetics

BigLittlejohn said:
I won't pay $300 for your untested shit. If that angers you, I'm sorry. If you then go and then troll other "breeders" and do other shit I find detestable I won't support you. Simple as that. Your seedbreeder put down game comments are misdirected. I chalk that up to you not knowing JJs behavior or being a friend. And for the record Ive put plenty of money in His pocket.
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That's cool with me.
If I was ever to make my genetics available to the public, I wouldn't want someone like you to grow them.
 
kona gold said:
That's cool with me.
If I was ever to make my genetics available to the public, I wouldn't want someone like you to grow them.
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And when I make out crosses with genetics I won't care who grows them. Nobody but the plants own the genetics and nobody should have to overpay to find great genetics. Thankfully there are options for "people like me" who like to maximize value for dollars spent and certain brands are better buys in my opinion. Not sure why that bothers you. If you read JJ trolling Inko you certainly wouldn't be defending him...you'd very likely be disgusted based on the tone of your posts here as he exemplified everything you were taking issue with, but hey you are free to think whatever it is you want.
 
BigLittlejohn said:
And when I make out crosses with genetics I won't care who grows them. Nobody but the plants own the genetics and nobody should have to overpay to find great genetics. Thankfully there are options for "people like me" who like to maximize value for dollars spent and certain brands are better buys in my opinion. Not sure why that bothers you. If you read JJ trolling Inko you certainly wouldn't be defending him...you'd very likely be disgusted based on the tone of your posts here as he exemplified everything you were taking issue with, but hey you are free to think whatever it is you want.
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I am not defending him.
I don't know him, or ever chatted with him.
That's not my point.
My point is, that I am grateful that he is even putting out seeds, so if someone want to try chem or sour, or whatever he has. He didn't have to make them available. Now look at all those piggybacking off of his gear, then putting his stuff down.
That's just not cool.
Now that there is a market for seeds, I noticed people do not appreciate as much, and now expected!
This is not a fucking tomatoe!
And I have sat back and watch the cannabis gene pool become weaker and less diversified.
And most breeders and self proclaimed great growers have and still continue to be one of my biggest turn off since starting to work with this magnificent plant in '92.
 
Sorry dude its no different than a "tomatoe". Eat one from the super market and then eat an heirloom grown by a farmer or master gardener. You'll never eat super market crap again. That's both genetics and pride in ones work.
The love I put into my veggies translates perfectly to cannabis.
You're right in that it takes caring and actual love for your art and trade to breed cannabis but its the same for any plant or living being.
I'm saying the talent you speak of is common in a large chunk of the ag community. Where I grew up you would walk fields for days and pack a lunch, killing the plants that had the wrong scent or structure to improve future seasons oil crop or corn sugar content and flavor.
 
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Oh and 3 or 4 years from now my interpretation of "diesel" will be free to those that ask, just like my tomatoes, and hopefully someone else will work them to be even better!
Love of this plant has no room for profit, its a gentleman's art, and a tool for improvement for the plants as well as the growers character. No room for rock stars when it comes to pride in ones work.
 
morgwar said:
Sorry dude its no different than a "tomatoe". Eat one from the super market and then eat an heirloom grown by a farmer or master gardener. You'll never eat super market crap again. That's both genetics and pride in ones work.
The love I put into my veggies translates perfectly to cannabis.
You're right in that it takes caring and actual love for your art and trade to breed cannabis but its the same for any plant or living being.
I'm saying the talent you speak of is common in a large chunk of the ag community. Where I grew up you would walk fields for days and pack a lunch, killing the plants that had the wrong scent or structure to improve future seasons oil crop or corn sugar content and flavor.
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I agree with most of what you are saying.
But one HUGE difference between food crops and cannabis, genetic material. That genetic material matches to codes in our DNA, and those codes do things in our bodies. Depending where needed.
Tomato, is good for us as well, and can be used by our bodies for energy and repair.
But if you look at the amount of genetic material in both, you will come across major differences. These differences, I call the plant's brain.
This brain has developed over thousands of years, dating back to the origins of man, and possibly before? And yes, so have other plants. But this particular plant has much more of an intellect than we know. It has found ways to bind up to receptors in the brain and body of man, using man in a synergistic bond that no other plant can match!
Other plants have figured out how to use man to keep itself alive, but none do it even close.

And I know there are other plants that produce cannabinoids as well, but again not the same.

There are many medicinal plants in the world, each requires it's own special connection. That connection comes from the shaman in us. I'm not saying you and others don't have this gift, but not all do.
 
kona gold said:
I agree with most of what you are saying.
But one HUGE difference between food crops and cannabis, genetic material. That genetic material matches to codes in our DNA, and those codes do things in our bodies. Depending where needed.
Tomato, is good for us as well, and can be used by our bodies for energy and repair.
But if you look at the amount of genetic material in both, you will come across major differences. These differences, I call the plant's brain.
This brain has developed over thousands of years, dating back to the origins of man, and possibly before? And yes, so have other plants. But this particular plant has much more of an intellect than we know. It has found ways to bind up to receptors in the brain and body of man, using man in a synergistic bond that no other plant can match!
Other plants have figured out how to use man to keep itself alive, but none do it even close.

And I know there are other plants that produce cannabinoids as well, but again not the same.

There are many medicinal plants in the world, each requires it's own special connection. That connection comes from the shaman in us. I'm not saying you and others don't have this gift, but not all do.
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I'm in total agreement with the plants adaptation to humans. Its uncanny how its adapted to domestication. Almost entirely gearing its existance.
But we play a role as well.
 
JJs instagram was showing that he has some new chem d crosses coming out. Glad he's trying to rework his staples instead of chucking his company to hell. Where y'all getting topdawg beans if not IG?
 
kona gold said:
I don't know where this shit comes from, like there is some standard in the seed business!
Testing is for shitty breeders! If you know what you are doing, no need to test.
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well, NOT testing is for fucking assholes. "If you know what you are doing, no need to test" . Just because you take a stable female and a stable male and breed with them does not necessarily mean you're 100% in the clear of any intersex issues, testing absolutely needs to be/ should be done to determine that doesn't happen before releasing packs of the cross. With certain genetics it's always worth the shot at finding a keeper if the packs are atleast priced as such but untested packs for the price some of these guys are asking is just a dick move on their part especially when 99.99% of the time they are not even listed as untested. I'm all for paying whatever the price for a proven tried & true cross any day
 
SensiPuff said:
JJs instagram was showing that he has some new chem d crosses coming out. Glad he's trying to rework his staples instead of chucking his company to hell. Where y'all getting topdawg beans if not IG?
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That's not new crosses that's something somebody else released for 50$ bucks a packs and now he's trying to cash in at most likely 250$ plus a pack.
 
kds710 said:
well, NOT testing is for fucking assholes. "If you know what you are doing, no need to test" . Just because you take a stable female and a stable male and breed with them does not necessarily mean you're 100% in the clear of any intersex issues, testing absolutely needs to be/ should be done to determine that doesn't happen before releasing packs of the cross. With certain genetics it's always worth the shot at finding a keeper if the packs are atleast priced as such but untested packs for the price some of these guys are asking is just a dick move on their part especially when 99.99% of the time they are not even listed as untested. I'm all for paying whatever the price for a proven tried & true cross any day
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Right!?!
Because, as you clearly see by all these threads from Bohdi to Barney, that testing leads to strains that are hermaphrodite free, and also show no regressive traits, or any such things. ....!!!!
Come on man, I hope you can tell that's sarcasm!

It's just something that some breeders started to do on some site like this, and now it's somehow the "standard "!
Like I stated earlier, if you know what to look for, and what you are doing, you don't need to test!
 
kona gold said:
Right!?!
Because, as you clearly see by all these threads from Bohdi to Barney, that testing leads to strains that are hermaphrodite free, and also show no regressive traits, or any such things. ....!!!!
Come on man, I hope you can tell that's sarcasm!

It's just something that some breeders started to do on some site like this, and now it's somehow the "standard "!
Like I stated earlier, if you know what to look for, and what you are doing, you don't need to test!
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Personally, when I try my hand at chucking pollen, before I release anything for sale I'm going to run the cross and have a select group of peers run it. I think this is not only best practice, but as a practical matter, I want to be able to fully describe for the consumer what can generally be expected. I think that's reasonable. If I just cross fire genetics and release it seems like my pricing should reflect the lack of "work" and include some disclosure. But that's me, I know others see it differently.
 
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