Topdawg Genetics

kona gold

kona gold

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chemphlegm said:
Besides having a tip top room with all resources needed being provided, what measures can a breeder take to
alter their male/female seed run ?
like my pack of XXX being all males....whats up with that? I can say I never got a pack of all fems when regs were ordered.
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That's a good question.
You would really have to put time into that area. Would require testing of females of this trait, combined with multiple
chemphlegm said:
Besides having a tip top room with all resources needed being provided, what measures can a breeder take to
alter their male/female seed run ?
like my pack of XXX being all males....whats up with that? I can say I never got a pack of all fems when regs were ordered.
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That's a tough one. Because with this style of breeding you are not really bxing, you progressing.
So it is an unknown to jj
And it seems like those really elite genetics have a higher number of males in my experience.
But what your asking is an extensive program.
Best place I would start, is with your best healthiest girl, with all you want, and you want her to be the strongest most dominant in expressions.
Then I would take your most female looking male. You know one that is compact and not too stretchy.
And see what follows.
You could also hit her with a few males of the same variety and see if any express this trait.
But then its all uphill. Your gonna have vto pop a lot of beans. Then when you find that one, your gonna have to work it generationally.

You could also do as @morgwar suggested.
Fem your best one, take those beans and hit it with same strain male, then see how that goes.
Or you could try to find a male that is like 90% male, and produces very few female pistals, but who knows what might happen in that direction.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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kona gold said:
That's a good question.
You would really have to put time into that area. Would require testing of females of this trait, combined with multiple


That's a tough one. Because with this style of breeding you are not really bxing, you progressing.
So it is an unknown to jj
And it seems like those really elite genetics have a higher number of males in my experience.
But what your asking is an extensive program.
Best place I would start, is with your best healthiest girl, with all you want, and you want her to be the strongest most dominant in expressions.
Then I would take your most female looking male. You know one that is compact and not too stretchy.
And see what follows.
You could also hit her with a few males of the same variety and see if any express this trait.
But then its all uphill. Your gonna have vto pop a lot of beans. Then when you find that one, your gonna have to work it generationally.

You could also do as @morgwar suggested.
Fem your best one, take those beans and hit it with same strain male, then see how that goes.
Or you could try to find a male that is like 90% male, and produces very few female pistals, but who knows what might happen in that direction.
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I've no intention of doing this but thats exactly what I would do if I was going to, hunt for desired expressions.

on the occasion I need a seed I let a branch go past its harvest date and a few fingers appear, I use the pollen from these to make my fem seeds. never had issue with that natural route.
 
Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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Love all the breeder talk but this thread is in some serious need of some Top Dawg

Guava D (and my little Comfrey plant....amazing leaves to top dress ROLS with)DSCN4199.JPG
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Either 2OGs or Citron City. Gonna have to search through these pics and hope I can catch a label in the pic.

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Some of that variegation that shows up from time to time
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White Dawg (Potent but I didn't really like the taste so I moved on)
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I've got a few more on this SD card somewhere. A few Tre Kush, Citron City, 2OGs, Fam Funk, etc. I'll have a closer look when I finish the winter clean up in the veg/bloom rooms. Judging by the dirt spilled on the floor I could probably just toss a handful of seeds in there and let em go, lol.
 
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Jameshaze999

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Tangerine_ said:
Love all the breeder talk but this thread is in some serious need of some Top Dawg

Guava D (and my little Comfrey plant....amazing leaves to top dress ROLS with)View attachment 3940560
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Either 2OGs or Citron City. Gonna have to search through these pics and hope I can catch a label in the pic.

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Some of that variegation that shows up from time to time
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White Dawg (Potent but I didn't really like the taste so I moved on)
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I've got a few more on this SD card somewhere. A few Tre Kush, Citron City, 2OGs, Fam Funk, etc. I'll have a closer look when I finish the winter clean up in the veg/bloom rooms. Judging by the dirt spilled on the floor I could probably just toss a handful of seeds in there and let em go, lol.
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What are you supposed to do about the leaf variegation
 
Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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Jameshaze999 said:
What are you supposed to do about the leaf variegation
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I don't do anything about it really. It tends to show up from time to time with certain chems. Some say add a little cal-mag but I grow in ROLS so I just let em go. Though it should be noted my soil could be "slightly" hot as I'd made some adjustments and IME chems do NOT like hot soil, heavy ferts, or too much nitrogen.
 
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Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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I grew that one awhile ago and the best one was more lemony than citrus/tangerine/orangey. Like Lemon Head candy. I vaguely remember it because my fam really liked it. The other was kinda sharp like spice/haze/pepper with a just a touch of citrus. I only ended up with 2 females out of the whole pack but all in all both girls were solid, easy to grow and easy to trim.

In an attempt to hunt for those terps with similar potency I'm going to give DVGs Grand OG and Citrus Farmer a try in my next line up.
 
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BigLittlejohn

BigLittlejohn

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I've run one pheno I found a few times but am about to let it go after I finish flowering these last 2 I just flipped. I still have more of the pack to go through, but Mine was strong citrus smell but more diesel flavored with citrus undertones.

Definitely easy to grow, but I didn't find it to be an easy trim. I've played around with medium, running it in DWC and organic soil and the soil produced the superior product. Also played around with pull date and 70 seems to be the day. May take one of these 2 out to 77. Was just curious about your experience as I am the only grower I know, until today, that has run that Top Dog strain.
 
morgwar

morgwar

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Tangerine_ said:
I don't do anything about it really. It tends to show up from time to time with certain chems. Some say add a little cal-mag but I grow in ROLS so I just let em go. Though it should be noted my soil could be "slightly" hot as I'd made some adjustments and IME chems do NOT like hot soil, heavy ferts, or too much nitrogen.
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Hey if your interested in veregation, here's a link to an article on it from my Alma mater NDSU
https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~mcclean/plsc431/maternal/maternal2.htm

It a pears That veregation can only be inherited from the mother plant it uses a four o'clock as the example plant,

I know the original chems had this trait so, more evidence of legit pedegre, not that there was doubt
 
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Jameshaze999

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chemphlegm said:
be nice if the cats would come in and do some 'splainin on the matter
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I have a question . With clones I usually do clones in rockwell cubes in a tray with a dome . Spray the clones till roots show then water the cube . Pretty much the conventional method . This works fine and I get 100 percent success with it. In a old high times mag that I dont have anymore it talked about a method that you dip the clone in root gel and then put it into a cup with moist promix in it with no drain holes . With this method you dont need a dome or to spray the cuts . Do you know abything about that method how well it works . Im thinking it might save me some time .
 
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Jameshaze999

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morgwar said:
Hey if your interested in veregation, here's a link to an article on it from my Alma mater NDSU
https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~mcclean/plsc431/maternal/maternal2.htm

It a pears That veregation can only be inherited from the mother plant it uses a four o'clock as the example plant,

I know the original chems had this trait so, more evidence of legit pedegre, not that there was doubt
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Have some too and I did up my calmag .its shows a little from time to time but if its not hurting them then I have no problems with it
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Jameshaze999 said:
I have a question . With clones I usually do clones in rockwell cubes in a tray with a dome . Spray the clones till roots show then water the cube . Pretty much the conventional method . This works fine and I get 100 percent success with it. In a old high times mag that I dont have anymore it talked about a method that you dip the clone in root gel and then put it into a cup with moist promix in it with no drain holes . With this method you dont need a dome or to spray the cuts . Do you know abything about that method how well it works . Im thinking it might save me some time .
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I can share what i do. cut, scrape, clonex dip, stab into wet rapid rooter/rockwool mist once, dome until i see roots and water the cube when dry
 
Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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I can share what I do too.

When I cut clones from mother plants I do exactly like chems method because I'm familiar with the strain by then and I can do whole trays. I highly rec this method for 95-100% success rate.

For the new stuff I run I use an aero cloner (its in one of those pics).

For me, its just easier to keep track of things with the colored collars and it shaves a couple of days off but the biggest pro from it are the masses of white roots. You can also take larger cuttings or the tops without worry. It is kind of a hassle though and its one more damn thing to plug in so I don't use it as often as I use the rooter plugs. If you decide to go with an aero cloner check the DIY threads and tutorials on YT. You can build them relatively easy.


Oh and I only foliar spay with Aloe/kelp/fulvics once well rooted in veg. I don't spray clones at all just the inside of the dome if needed.
HTH
 
morgwar

morgwar

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Excuse my ignorance but what's the story on "the white" the search function is very odd, and all I get is bro static on google!
Is this a chem or an outcross, and with what?
 
SensiPuff

SensiPuff

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The white seems to add a nice level of frost to anything it crosses into, without dominating the cross. I see a lot of breeders using it, like relentless. From what I've grown I can say I like it in crosses. But the white all on it's own is like taking an oxi, a gentle relaxing ride to bed. Not very psychoactive in my experience.
I have no clue about genetics on it tho sorry
 
CannaBruh

CannaBruh

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I held it, it's nice, would look done before 50 and would be ready enough at 56. The flavor was Italian soup or some Italian spices, maybe even a bit oniony. It makes very photogenic flowers that appear white from the densely packed trichs.Very limited stretch in flower and it crosses well to other strains but it might smother some favorite flavors. For instance, it can swamp the nice OG flavors if you like those lemons and limes, it can add some dirty oniony kick to those while bringing up the frost level and bringing down flower times (ideally)
 
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HeirLoom GarGz

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Tangerine_ said:
I don't do anything about it really. It tends to show up from time to time with certain chems. Some say add a little cal-mag but I grow in ROLS so I just let em go. Though it should be noted my soil could be "slightly" hot as I'd made some adjustments and IME chems do NOT like hot soil, heavy ferts, or too much nitrogen.
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Check and see if these variegated chems, all have "chem d" might help answer something or explain it
 
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