"Torture is a crime!" and "Bush is the terrorist!"

ViRedd

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O.J. TRIALS FOR TERRORISTS
by Ann Coulter
October 18, 2006

The Democrats claim they want to treat terrorism as a criminal law problem, but when we give them an American citizen convicted of aiding terrorists — as happened this week — a Democrat judge gives her a slap on the wrist. Or he was going to give her a wrist slap until someone told him that wrist-slapping was banned under the Geneva Conventions, so he let the wrist off with a warning.

Last year, a New York jury found Lynne Stewart guilty of helping her former client, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, communicate with his Egyptian-based group of murderous terrorists, appropriately known as "the Islamic Group."

The blind sheik needed to instruct his followers to abandon a truce and resume murdering innocents, but he couldn't get the message through because, by sheer coincidence, he was in prison for conspiring to murder innocents here in America by plotting the first World Trade Center bombing. So Stewart and a "translator" met with her former client in prison and took his messages for transmission to his followers in Egypt.

With the full constitutional protections Democrats want for terrorists in Guantanamo, Stewart was convicted by a New York jury last year.

This week, Judge John Koeltl — appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton in 1994 — spurned the prosecution's request for a 30-year sentence and gave Stewart 28 months for being a terrorist's mule. Now she'll clog up the criminal justice system with endless appeals for the next several years — using procedures that liberals also want for Guantanamo detainees.

At Stewart's sentencing, the judge noted that the defendant's actions had not resulted in any deaths. I'll have to remember that in case I'm ever on trial for attempted murder. "Hey, your honor, did I mention that the guy lived? Yeah, the darn gun jammed on me. Go figure, huh?"

In rejecting a 30-year sentence in favor of a 28-month sentence, the judge commended Stewart for her "public service, not only to her clients, but to the nation" for representing members of the Black Panthers and the Weather Underground. In a sane world, that would have justified a longer sentence, not a shorter one.

If only Democrats could turn the entire war on terrorism over to the courts, they could release terrorists and terrorist sympathizers with wild abandon — and Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton would never have to take a position.

When Americans are allowed to vote, a fireman's vote counts as much as George Soros' vote. But if liberals can just get terrorists into the judicial system, a Clinton-appointed judge can rule on a defense funded by George Soros — precisely what happened in Stewart's case. Note that even in liberal New York City, average citizens on the jury voted to convict Stewart, despite her Soros-funded defense.

Democrats run apparently sane candidates for office, like James Webb in Virginia and Bob Casey in Pennsylvania, who can puff up their chests and pretend they want to pursue terrorists — while carping about any and all military action in the terrorists' general direction. Instead, let's turn terrorists over to courts full of Clinton and Carter judges! Democratic candidates get to look tough, and the terrorists go scot-free.

It would be frightening enough to treat terrorism as a criminal law problem if it were Republicans saying it. But these are Democrats. Their idea of a major criminal case is Tom DeLay's campaign treasurer accidentally depositing a campaign contribution into a checking account rather than a savings account.

By contrast, terrorists imprisoned in Guantanamo for trying to kill Americans must be treated as innocent little lambs. Oh, to be there when Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman is exonerated due to previously unavailable "DNA evidence"!

After President Bush signed a law this week providing for military tribunals for terrorists being held at Guantanamo and prohibiting their torture, Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin said, "We will look back on this day as a stain on our nation's history." (Note to Democrats: It's still too soon to use "stain" as a metaphor for a White House brouhaha.)

Democrats stood outside the White House shouting "Torture is a crime!" and "Bush is the terrorist!" Yep, these are the people who claim they're going to keep us all safe, America. Everybody good with that?

Gen. George Washington tried Major John Andre, Benedict Arnold's British co-conspirator, by military tribunal and ordered Andre hanged within 10 days of his capture. Nazi saboteurs, including an American citizen, captured on U.S. soil during World War II were tried in secret by military commission and promptly executed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The Nuremberg trials were a form of military tribunal.

But Democrats think military tribunals aren't good enough for the terrorists plotting to kill Americans today. Liberals are going to make the terrorists love us! What better way to start than with criminal trials in front of judges like John Koeltl?

COPYRIGHT 2006 ANN COULTER
 

medicinaluseonly

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Your posting Ann Fucking Coulter. How fucking insane are you. That bitch is certifiable. If anyone believes a word she says, they need immeadiate psychiatric treatment, My god Vi, I think you've slipped your tracks, Drink the coolaid please. If she were a dog they'd have to give her rabies shots, come to think of it, she is a dog, hmmmmm....................
 

ViRedd

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Who's insane here? I make a post and you go ballistic! Either counter my posts with logic or stay the hell away. Like I said, I am done with you and your illogical, left-wing, whining rants.

Vi
 

ViRedd

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Reason? You have no reason at all. All you have are your DNC talking points. You have no basis in fact for your arguments, nor do you have any solutions to offer. Until you have both, please refrain from answering my posts. Thank you.

As I said before, Democrats cannot reveal their true agenda to the American public. Their agenda parallels that of the Communist Party. You've even admitted to agreeing with the platform of the CPUS in previous posts. As Lenin said: "Useful Idiots."

Vi
 

medicinaluseonly

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Bolderdash! you ignorant slut. I couldn't contain myself. your posts are a blemish on reason bordering on insanity! Bolderdash!
 

silvernomad

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well if you can post this, then medicinaluseonly has the right to comment on it, I mean you can not post something like that without knowing that people would not agree with you.

I mean myself, I also think the lady is a retard with facts that seem to come out of her ass; just the retarded rants she goes on about canada makes you wonder if she is playing with a full deck.

COULTER: They better hope the United States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent.

COULTER: We could have taken them [Canada] over so easily.

COULTER: They don't even need to have an army, because they are protected, because they're on the same continent with the United States of America. If we were not the United States of America, Canada -- I mean, we're their trading partner. We keep their economy afloat.

COULTER: We like the English-speaking Canadians.


peace
 

silvernomad

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COULTER: "Canada used to be one of our most loyal friends and vice-versa. I mean Canada sent troops to Vietnam - was Vietnam less containable and more of a threat than Saddam Hussein?"

MCKEOWN interrupts: "Canada didn't send troops to Vietnam."

COULTER: "I don't think that's right."

MCKEOWN: "Canada did not send troops to Vietnam."

COULTER (looking desperate): "Indochina?"

MCKEOWN: "Uh no. Canada ...second World War of course. Korea. Yes. Vietnam No."

COULTER: "I think you're wrong."

MCKEOWN: "No, took a pass on Vietnam."

COULTER: "I think you're wrong."

MCKEOWN: "No, Australia was there, not Canada."

COULTER: "I think Canada sent troops."

MCKEOWN: "No."

COULTER: "Well. I'll get back to you on that."

McKeown tags out in script: "Coulter never got back to us -- but for the record, like Iraq, Canada sent no troops to Vietnam."
 

vervejunkie

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How fucking insane are you.

My god Vi, I think you've slipped your tracks, Drink the coolaid please.
You have been defeated by reason!
you ignorant slut.

your posts are a blemish on reason bordering on insanity! Bolderdash!
Uh oh, someone's getting emotional :clap:
It's such a liberal stereotype you should really make an effort to remain calm. And that was tame Coulter; you didn't really read the article you just saw the name and hit reply didn't you?

Here are some more entertaining - but equally relevant, Coulter pearls:

"Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole."

"There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats."

"We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals."

"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots."

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."

"Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties -- provided we're only talking about criminals."

"The New York Times editorial page is like a Ouija board that has only three answers, no matter what the question. The answers are: higher taxes, more restrictions on political speech and stricter gun control."

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"Usually the nonsense liberals spout is kind of cute, but in wartime their instinctive idiocy is life-threatening."

"We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States."

"If John Kerry had a dollar for every time he bragged about serving in Vietnam -- oh wait, he does."

"Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President."

"The swing voters -- I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster."

Great entertainment.
 

ViRedd

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"Great entertainment"

Exactly, verve ... and the REAL entertainment is to sit back and watch the libbies go ballistic with the mere mention of the woman's name. BWAAAAAA!!!!

Vi

PS: Great quotes, by the way. :)
 

medicinaluseonly

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That was beautiful. Where did you get all those quotes. See If I wanted to take the time and effort to refute Vs insane ramblings I could, thanks for doing it for me. Hell yes I know Ann Fucking Coulter is insane, why would someone post her unless they agreed with her which would then by association make them insane. You've proved my point and I am grateful. Thanks!
 

vervejunkie

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1 Where did you get all those quotes.
2. If I wanted to take the time and effort to refute Vs insane ramblings I could
3... unless they agreed with her which would then by association make them insane.
1) google coulter quotes
2) that's the point of debate no? Or does it take time and effort to coordinate with the other Dems who don't know what their stance is other than hysterics.
3) association doesn't prove corelation - high school psych 101 (again, sorry about the draft - but couldn't you at least brush up at a community college or something? The democrats have more than enough scholarships and loans for you.)

Coulter is a millionaire not because she is a famed and celebrated orator but because she is outragous and uncouth (like Al Sharpton, Cindy Sheehan, Jesse Jackson, Lou Dobbs, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, George Soros, Howard Dean and Hilary Clinton and bankrupt Air America Radio). Am I missing anyone ViRedd?
 

medicinaluseonly

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Your true colors erupt, A Viredd clone. You guys should get together and do the humpty-bump. I'll post what the fuck I want and as far as education, what makes you so smart, you been takin them smarter pills? I'll Bet you're a PHD or a Rocket scientist or maybe just a big blow-hard like V. Do the humpty-bump, do the humpty-bump, use your rumpty-rump, when you humpty-bump. Geeze another frickin neo-con! Go figure!
 

vervejunkie

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What makes me so smart is I know just a little bit more than you on these matters. Probably because I'm younger and havn't been brainwashed through years of military manchuria and huffing napalm.

Not a neo-con, more of a fiscal (money) conservative/ social (abortion, weed, etc.) liberal.

It's OK, I like reading your posts and agree that you should post anything you want and argue however you want. I feel the same about ViRedd and his/her posts. The point is there are tons of crazy people in the world - you have to look at what they say as entertainment, not life or death political stances.
 

medicinaluseonly

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t makes me so smart is I know just a little bit more than you on these matters. WhaProbably because I'm younger and havn't been brainwashed through years of military manchuria and huffing napalm.

Not a neo-con, more of a fiscal (money) conservative/ social (abortion, weed, etc.) liberal.

It's OK, I like reading your posts and agree that you should post anything you want and argue however you want. I feel the same about ViRedd and his/her posts. The point is there are tons of crazy people in the world - you have to look at what they say as entertainment, not life or death political stances.
Why does being younger make you smarter, I've never let the military inside my head for an instant,and never,thank GOD, huffed napalm. It's your arrogant attitude that offends me. Have you ever heard of a "know it all smart ass". I probably have as much "Higher Education" as you and many more years to think about the world. Senility has not set in yet, I keep hoping it will, as life would be much more mellow, and I wouldn't have deal with smart ass kids like you! Peace!
 

vervejunkie

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I am a smart ass kid, no apologies there. Sorry if I hurt your feelings though.

You were in Vietnam right? If you found a group of bad guys and they scattered during guerilla warfare and you caught a few. Would you "torture" them to find out where the rest of them were going, etc?

Would you keep them up all night for days at a time? Would you make them piss their pants or not eat or not pray or write relatives? Are these things torture? I don't think so. I think torture is tearing limbs off and burning with acid or rape...

Would hiring the ACLU to represent them in a Hollywood court be fair to non American antagonists (enemy combatants)?
 

Dankdude

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Ann Coulter wouldn't be a millionare if she didn't talk out her ass with half truths and people like you didn't eat it up vervejunkie.
 

ViRedd

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Ann Coulter is successful because she brings to people what THEY want. She understands the simple road to success: Help enough people get what THEY want and you will get what YOU want in return. Simple, but very hard to accomplish.

Vi

PS: Verve ... love your posts. Reason is always fought by those who prefer to base their "facts" on "feelings."
 

medicinaluseonly

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There you go again with the Ann bit, you're a sick individual, who did she help get anything. she's like a freak show in the political circus. She probably gets way more attention from those who hate her, than anyone on the right. I'll bet she's turned more right wing idiots off than helped them. I'm starting to think you might be a little Crazy your self!
 

silvernomad

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I am a smart ass kid, no apologies there. Sorry if I hurt your feelings though.

You were in Vietnam right? If you found a group of bad guys and they scattered during guerilla warfare and you caught a few. Would you "torture" them to find out where the rest of them were going, etc?

Would you keep them up all night for days at a time? Would you make them piss their pants or not eat or not pray or write relatives? Are these things torture? I don't think so. I think torture is tearing limbs off and burning with acid or rape...

Would hiring the ACLU to represent them in a Hollywood court be fair to non American antagonists (enemy combatants)?

So you define torture one way, which you have never felt or had it done to you.....torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person (like when the US troops in Iraq raped that young boy at that prison in front of his dad to get him to talk, or when they raped the wife and daughter of a man to get him to talk about what he knew.....and so on and so on) information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.




Lets say you are some dirt farmer, and your child was killed because of carpet bombing of the village you lived in, so you decide to join the fight against those who killed your child (for that reason only). You know nothing but where they tell you to lay down fire, or told to shot any western fighter you see.
You are picked up alive and sent to be questioned by western fighters; should they torture you to find out what you know or should they respect that it is war, and to follow the geneva convention aginst torture?

If we in the west can not stand by our standards (what we built our Countries on) and start to lower ourselves to the point that what we believe in, and stand for (human rights), now becomes a negative thing, why should those under (china, north korea for example) the same kinda thing, think of the west as freedom from such things and countries that stand up human rights anymore?

How far the west has fallen if it really believes that winning the war is to throw out the rights that we give all human life, and become the enemy that we battle.

Who then is right and wrong if we are not willing to stand by the set of standards that we have lived with for many years, and demand that others live by also when it comes to our fighters, but we don't offer the same in return?
 
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