"Torture is a crime!" and "Bush is the terrorist!"

Dankdude

Dankdude

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ViRedd said:
Ann Coulter is successful because she brings to people what THEY want. She understands the simple road to success: Help enough people get what THEY want and you will get what YOU want in return. Simple, but very hard to accomplish.

Vi

PS: Verve ... love your posts. Reason is always fought by those who prefer to base their "facts" on "feelings."
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Show me one thing that Ann Coulter says that can be backed full on with facts. Like I said she talks out her ass.
 
medicinaluseonly

medicinaluseonly

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Where do these (ignorant-non-feeling) people come from. To condone torture of any Human For any Reason is Un-thinkable. I think they have a substance called truth serum (Sodium Pentathol) that you could use in extreme circumstances if you thought the prisoner had knowledgs of some mayhem about to strike, But to physically torture prisoners is against all forms of rational civilization!
 
vervejunkie

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silvernomad said:
So you define torture one way, which you have never felt or had it done to you.....torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person (like when the US troops in Iraq raped that young boy at that prison in front of his dad to get him to talk, or when they raped the wife and daughter of a man to get him to talk about what he knew.....and so on and so on) information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.




Lets say you are some dirt farmer, and your child was killed because of carpet bombing of the village you lived in, so you decide to join the fight against those who killed your child (for that reason only). You know nothing but where they tell you to lay down fire, or told to shot any western fighter you see.
You are picked up alive and sent to be questioned by western fighters; should they torture you to find out what you know or should they respect that it is war, and to follow the geneva convention aginst torture?

If we in the west can not stand by our standards (what we built our Countries on) and start to lower ourselves to the point that what we believe in, and stand for (human rights), now becomes a negative thing, why should those under (china, north korea for example) the same kinda thing, think of the west as freedom from such things and countries that stand up human rights anymore?

How far the west has fallen if it really believes that winning the war is to throw out the rights that we give all human life, and become the enemy that we battle.

Who then is right and wrong if we are not willing to stand by the set of standards that we have lived with for many years, and demand that others live by also when it comes to our fighters, but we don't offer the same in return?
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Blah blah, torture is bad i get it. Probably what grinds my gears the most is that while we have legislation and moral rules to follow, the other side is cutting off heads and putting the films on the internet.

What I'm getting at is that torture is wrong and even the lessor of two evils is still evil. But cultural relativism is debunked; just because another culture beheads during war doesn't make them right, just insofar as the western culture torture tactics aren't right. But like this Time article with PDF minute by minute torture report from Guantanamo shows is not heinous depravity, but rather calculated interrogation.

No pain and suffering? What did they sign up for by taking up arms against a country that can by all rational accounts dominate in combat? Because they are scum and they can't stand other non Islam cultures. For those who would plot to destroy my way of life (even if they are thousands of miles away), they can be tortured in a civilized manner - it wouldn't be hard if they just spilled the beans instead of playing jihad martyr.
 
medicinaluseonly

medicinaluseonly

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I think we should pratice on you untill we get it right. I'm sure you'd tell us when it was strong enough, then we would know how much to torture others! Or maybe just cut off your head. That would end the torture arguement!
 
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the_fireman024

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ann coulter is a worthless sack of shit. all she does is spew out bullshit conservative propaganda. and this is coming from someone who is pretty conservative. that bitch and people like her arent helping anybody talking trash like that. invading countries and turning people to chrisitanity... that is the biggest load of shit ive ever heard. especially considering she is living in a country with the FREEDOM of religion.

anybody dense enough to buy into any of her bullshit seriously needs to go hit the bowl a few more times and get a little smarter. that shits rediculous.
 
AllMeatNoPotato

AllMeatNoPotato

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jesus christ, no offense to the religious folks in here. Vi and Med need to sit down and smoke a heavy amount of hash together or just fucking hug and agree to disagree. yes people have different opinions. yes they should be let to voice those opinions. But the problem starts when you try to push your opinion down someone's throat to make them see your point of view. Life is too short. lets just get high and say 'FUCK IT"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
ViRedd

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"Vi and Med need to sit down and smoke a heavy amount of hash together or just fucking hug and agree to disagree."

No thanks, Bro ... I'm not into torture.

Vi
 
ViRedd

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Ann Coulter is a character, kind of like the James Carville of the Right, if you will. Yes, she's over the top. Yes, she offends. And yes ... she jams her ultra right opinions down the throats of the Liberals. I think that's what most of those on the Right would like to do to the likes of Michael Moore, Howard Dean, etal. As you all can see by the reactions of the Lefties commenting in this thread, just the mere mention of Ann's name brings their hate to the surface like no other. Ann is EFFECTIVE ... and THAT'S what she brings to her fans and THAT is why she is so successful.

Vi
 
silvernomad

silvernomad

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ViRedd said:
"Vi and Med need to sit down and smoke a heavy amount of hash together or just fucking hug and agree to disagree."

No thanks, Bro ... I'm not into torture.

Vi
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Even if I think skunk is past due for Dr. Phil (:P), I could still sit down and have a blast with him and I believe that it would be as calm as when I sit down with the "mellow hippies" down the road.
One of my best friends gets under my skin now and then (the guy is just too lazy when it comes to growing..lol..grr), but thats life............the important thing to remember is that you both agree on smoking/growing marijuana and not to camp on the things that you both don't agree on.

I mean,, to post the things about Bush and such only calls for heated replies in this day and age (the US/Bush Gov't is pissing many off), if i did not see anyone upset, I would be more surprised by that.......because it seems that to many sit on their hands and don't speak up.


try peace
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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This is the politics forum ... so opposing viewpoints encourage debate. Now then, in checking the other forums, you'll find some positive contributions from me there. But how do you deal with a person who reads your canna-cookie recipe in the Cooking Forum, then comes in here and tells you that it sucks? Now THAT hurts! Calling me a Rich Asshole, NeoCon, Bush Lover or Ass sucker doesn't bother me one bit ... but dissing my cookie recipe ... NO WAY! I Ain't forgetting that one soon!

Vi
 
vervejunkie

vervejunkie

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medicinaluseonly said:
I think we should pratice on you untill we get it right. I'm sure you'd tell us when it was strong enough, then we would know how much to torture others! Or maybe just cut off your head. That would end the torture arguement!
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Spoken like a true liberal islamo-fan. Keep loving the fanatics; wave them all the way to our shores.

Thank God modern troops aren't cowardly islam-apologists like you.

We should fight them in the middle east until they behave - just what they want US to do to us except we're not backwards ass nomads throwing rocks and screaming about Allah.

Didn't you say you would use your AK47 to shoot terrorists if they marched down your block? Don't they have a rght to march on a conquered nation? Are you not afraid of inflicting pain and suffering with your bullets? Even during war you have to be nice? Ever meet someone from a real war (the air force cheerleading squad circa 67 don't count)?
 
silvernomad

silvernomad

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lol.......you must be joking around (or are you being real...you never can tell now_a_days), because I could careless if someone liked my recipe or cooking.........just means more for me and my cat.....:P

Let him eat cake then.........lol
 
AllMeatNoPotato

AllMeatNoPotato

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ViRedd said:
but dissing my cookie recipe ... NO WAY! I Ain't forgetting that one soon!
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yo, that has got to be the funniest thing I have heard all day long. I am ignorant when it comes to ann coulter. never heard of her, and after reading this thread, i am kinda glad I have not. Vi I have to say that I would be mad if someone dissed my cookie recipe also. if that person has to come to another area and tell you that you do not like his/her cookies they desirve to be dealt with in an according way. and if it was med that did it, that is some funny shit. you go that far to say your recipe sux. dude, if you are ever in ohio, I will let you pinch my bag and we will smoke all night long. PEACE!
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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Yeah! It was Med, all right.

I'll bet Ann Coulter woudn't diss my cookie recipe, no way ... she has WAY too much class. *lol*

Vi
 
silvernomad

silvernomad

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vervejunkie said:
Spoken like a true liberal islamo-fan. Keep loving the fanatics; wave them all the way to our shores.

Thank God modern troops aren't cowardly islam-apologists like you.
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I know this is a US thing and NOT a kanadian thing (I hope it never happens here like it is in the US)......that liberal is a very bad thing or word, something like commie during the cold war.

So many are running around tar painting people who don't agree with Bush as liberal and that they are anti-American as if that being different in thought and belief is wrong now in the US.

But can a person be liberal and not be lumped [tar and feathered] in with terror groups or their leaders?
I do not believe that their are many US liberals that agree with OBL.

I know the liberals here in Canada don't agree with them (OBL), they are just here to keep the goverment inline when the Cons try to pull their BS..... just like the Cons are here to keep the Liberals inline when they try their BS.....they work together to have a better Country.
 
medicinaluseonly

medicinaluseonly

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You just don't get it. If they invaded my turf I'd fight for my loved ones to the death. I am no coward, to torture them is a cowardly act to begin with. the reason I made the referance to you is for you to think of what it would be like on the recieving end. To spout off about torture when you don't ever see it is infantile. Have you ever seen the look on a mans face while he's being helped out of a helicopter at 2000 ft., no parachute, it's bad, but his buddie thats next will shit himself and tell you anything you want to hear, not necessarily the truth but what you want to hear, they figure it out pretty fast. I've never seen this but a real good friend who was in the Recon told me about it and he was pretty hard. He said it almost made him puke. Thats the problem with torture. You seldom get the guy that knows what you need to know, so a lot of innocents get tortured! Just think of them doing to you what you want to do to them and then wonder if there's ever a draft and you're captured, would you want them using it on you, because thats basically what G.W.s new laws will open up, mutual torture of prisoners!
 
vervejunkie

vervejunkie

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silvernomad said:
I know this is a US thing and NOT a kanadian thing (I hope it never happens here like it is in the US)......that liberal is a very bad thing or word, something like commie during the cold war.

So many are running around tar painting people who don't agree with Bush as liberal and that they are anti-American as if that being different in thought and belief is wrong now in the US.

But can a person be liberal and not be lumped [tar and feathered] in with terror groups or their leaders?
I do not believe that their are many US liberals that agree with OBL.

I know the liberals here in Canada don't agree with them (OBL), they are just here to keep the goverment inline when the Cons try to pull their BS..... just like the Cons are here to keep the Liberals inline when they try their BS.....they work together to have a better Country.
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contemporary liberalism justifies the use of the term in a derogatory: Liberals in America have gotten so out of control that anything remotely resembling rational logic in most arguments will drive them into a frenzy, because they can't see themselves for what they are.

Being ANYTHING might mean you are not open to SOMETHING; and that, a terrible liberal you would make.

Liberals are comparable to a women/mothers: They love, nurture, always are there for you, always point out your pros before any cons, and defend you even when they know you did something terrible.

Liberalism will blame US for the terrorists. "we created a monster because of our horrible crusades and capitalism".

They will defend the terrorists because everyone deserves a fair and balanced life. "if they want to kill us that bad, maybe we deserve it" mentality.

That is how America will fall. Radical groups will infiltrate our land mass and rise up to promote Sharia law. Since we have freedom of speech laws, they are perfectly capable of doing that right? Liberals will parade in the streets for these radicals. "Well if we didn't, that would be discrimination!"

To be liberal is to suspend disbelief of your own morality so you can take sides with whatever trendy hotbutton issue Air America says you should feel about. It's the same with hardcore rightwingers - but liberals hurt America and neo-cons just hurt other countries.
 
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