Transplanted Clones Wilting and Yellowing in WaterFarm

twiztidmxcn

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Hello all! First time, long time, that sort of thing.

I'm currently using a hydroponic setup for vegetation and am running into some issues. My setup involves the following:

- 2 separate WaterFarms (no controller, each with their own res - factory included pumps - hydroton medium - modded with holes in the bottom of the top bucket)
- a 2' x 4' x 5' tent
- a 300W LED light (100 bulbs * 3W per)
- Great White mycorrhizae and Techna Flora nutrients (Boost, Grow, Bloom)

I used this setup once previously and didn't have too many issues, but am running into problems with this new grow.

After purchasing clones from a dispensary (they had been recently cut and were under fluorescent lights), I brought them home for transplant into the hydroton. The clones were originally placed into plugs and then put into a small 2-3" green plastic pot with some sort of soil/coco - this is how I buy them, so I use a bucket of water to rinse the dirt and pearlite off the roots before transplant.

The WaterFarms were cleaned with warm bleach water after the first grow. The Hydroton was brand new, cleaned of dust and sterilized, and I ran each system with pH'd water at 5.8 for a couple days just to get things prepped. I created spots in the center of the drip ring and placed both clones down into Hydroton, covering up the plugs and very base of the clones with more rocks. This happened on Monday (and I write this on the following Sunday, 6 days later).

The drip ring was set to be on 24/7, lights on 24/7. Temperature was between 72F and 79F, humidity between 25 and 45%. The light hangs 2 feet above the tops of the plants. Water was pH'd to 5.9, and the only thing I added at the time was a small amount of Great White mycos. The clones were fine for a day or two, and then started wilting. I thought it was too much of a drip, so I hooked up the timer and ran them one hour on, a half hour off (my timer is analog and only does 1/2-hour increments). Remained wilted.

The clones then started turning a bit yellow, and leaves were dying (yellowing around edges, some light brown splotching). I thought maybe they needed some nutes, so I added Techna Flora Boost + Grow to about 600ppm. They sagged worse, and kept dying. One is more yellow, while the other is green but droopy as hell. I did pull one of the clones out of the rocks, thinking the roots would be crap, but they had actually grown and were nice and white and hairy. Roots are growing, but the plants are wilty and yellowing.

As a last ditch effort to save the plants, I have gone ahead and changed out the res. Again, I used GW mycos, added nutes up to 300ppm, and pH'd to 6. This time I hooked up my HydroFarm 4 tube 4 ft. T5 fluorescent light (216W) and removed two of the bulbs for a little less heat and fewer lumens. I'm hoping that they can handle the lower output and less stress, but who knows. Timer on the drip ring pump is set to 1.5 hours off, 0.5 hours on and I turned down the power knob a bit.

Does anyone have an idea of what is happening? It appears to be massive trauma due to being transplanted, and then continually soaked with water. The babies may be too far gone and it's totally cool if the nuclear option is the best option.

Additional information:

- The pictures show a clone that is still in the original medium/container. It is also not doing so hot, and all I have done is give it pH'd RO water.
- I have an additional tent for flowering that measures at 4' x 4' x 10'.
- I do have two 4" airstones (one for each res) but do not currently have two-outlet pumps to get them going with the drip ring, but that won't help until the roots hit the water.

I have included pictures of the plants in their current state (they're probably down due to the image issues with the forum). Can't do links because I am new unfortunately. Thanks for any help!




 

mytwhyt

Well-Known Member
I'm sure you're right, transplant shock, then too much love at 600 ppm probably didn't help... sucks no pics..
 

Budley Doright

Well-Known Member
Yup 600ppm didn't do them any favours :(. Did you try misting them? It's hard to say without pics, hope that's fixed soon :(.
 

chemphlegm

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...I thought they needed nutes so I added......

whenever I seen a plant problem its never been solved by adding anything, which likely is what made them fail in the first place.
 

OldMedUser

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300ppm is where I start rooted clones at but I put them in still with the promix I rooted them in intact.

I would say you screwed them up somehow by washing the soil off first and damaging the roots. Tho if it was real dirt you likely would have introduced bad bacteria to the system.

If you try again I'd make sure you have about 300ppm and skip the mycos. I've never used beneficial bacteria in any of my 40+ DWC grows and the only time I got root rot was when I used real dirt to root my cuttings in. I used to add peroxide every 3 days but built a chiller out of a water cooler 5 or 6 years ago so haven't used peroxide since.

Good luck!

:peace:
 

Budley Doright

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300ppm is where I start rooted clones at but I put them in still with the promix I rooted them in intact.

I would say you screwed them up somehow by washing the soil off first and damaging the roots. Tho if it was real dirt you likely would have introduced bad bacteria to the system.

If you try again I'd make sure you have about 300ppm and skip the mycos. I've never used beneficial bacteria in any of my 40+ DWC grows and the only time I got root rot was when I used real dirt to root my cuttings in. I used to add peroxide every 3 days but built a chiller out of a water cooler 5 or 6 years ago so haven't used peroxide since.

Good luck!

:peace:
I would like to believe the hydroguard ( that I can't get anymore LOL) did actually promote root growth but I'll let you know next run, like I said I can't get it :(. I guess a good way to compare if nothing else, don't think they hurt.
 

Niblixdark

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It's transplant shock and the fact they can't uptake nutes while in shock, your ppm is too high at this stage, keep it around 200 to 400ppm.

To minimize shock there are products that stop shock from happening but its not a necessity by all means but does speed the recovery process up.

Leafs turn yellow as the clones try to root and etasablish themselves since they are using some of thier own nutrients or what little they have since they can't uptake a whole lot. Or none at all .. shock

Another option for you is to run ph water and foliar spray them with diluted fertilizer half strength or even less until they are established.
 
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