Turning my frown, upside down - Sadface's first grow - CFL
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ambedexteras
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looking really good man. super short spacing which will be awesome for ur yield considering theyre both autos right?
so for your next grow you gonna stick with the CFLS or do like a 250W MH for veg and 250W HPS for flower? think that would
def increase your yield from this time as CFLS are known to produce less.
so for your next grow you gonna stick with the CFLS or do like a 250W MH for veg and 250W HPS for flower? think that would
def increase your yield from this time as CFLS are known to produce less.
sadface
Active Member
hehe nice man, keep up the good workI wish I could cut out the hole in my roof to reduce temps a bit lol. anyway, +rep and subbed
Thanks man!! Yeah still have some work to fix the cal/mag on the older one, but I think I almost have it. Also you do not know how psyched I was when the wife said I could cut a hole to the garage lol.
Thanks very much for the reply and complement! sorry took so long to respond been. Work has been crazy and haven't been able to visit site.
Yes they are autos. I think the older one is so short because of the cal/mag def though lol. My younger one is already taller, but is under less light so maybe stretching more.
So, my next grow I am probably still going to veg with CFLs, but plan to flower with LED. My concern going with MH/HPS or even CMH is heat issues. I think a LED will give the grow temps comparable to my CFLd with hopefully the yields of a MH/HPS.
I am going to post an update with pics tomorrow.
sadface
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So thought it was Tuesday for some reason, but no its Wednesday and time for an update!
Seeing how Zhara (AKR#2) is growing compared to Aliyha (AKR#1) is funny. I feel that Zhara is doing MUCH better relative to Aliyha. It is funny how a very small amount of experience gain can change how the "next" grow will perform. I feel Aliyha is artificially old because of the cal/mag deficiency she has had all half of her life. I will show some examples in pics.
Side by sides from a front and top down view.
It is clear that Zhara, the younger plant by 12 days, is already slightly taller and wider then her older sister. At 31 days Aliyha was already much further along into flowering as well. I am not sure if this is due to the cal/mag def or the less light Zhara has received during veg causing more stretch. I am leaning towards the cal/mag def in Alyiha as Zhara also has larger fan leaves relative to her sister. My soil PH got WAY too low in both plants but I was able to catch it much earlier in Zhara's life cycle.
Zhara's Stem and top looking good and healthy
Aliyha's Stem and picture of newer growth showing the cal mag
While the stem is healthy, the cal mag def is still running rampant! I fed her yesterday with 50% nutes and cal/mag, also got a real ph meter to measure run off. After 20% run off the ph was 6.2... So tomorrow I am going to water her with no nutes and ph'd water and hopefully will finally have it under control. Oh and yes there is now dolomite lime to help buffer the soil.
Last and definitely not least BUD SHOT and added side lighting for Zhara (she is sooo spoiled)
Thanks for watching!
- Face
Seeing how Zhara (AKR#2) is growing compared to Aliyha (AKR#1) is funny. I feel that Zhara is doing MUCH better relative to Aliyha. It is funny how a very small amount of experience gain can change how the "next" grow will perform. I feel Aliyha is artificially old because of the cal/mag deficiency she has had all half of her life. I will show some examples in pics.
Side by sides from a front and top down view.
It is clear that Zhara, the younger plant by 12 days, is already slightly taller and wider then her older sister. At 31 days Aliyha was already much further along into flowering as well. I am not sure if this is due to the cal/mag def or the less light Zhara has received during veg causing more stretch. I am leaning towards the cal/mag def in Alyiha as Zhara also has larger fan leaves relative to her sister. My soil PH got WAY too low in both plants but I was able to catch it much earlier in Zhara's life cycle.
Zhara's Stem and top looking good and healthy
Aliyha's Stem and picture of newer growth showing the cal mag
While the stem is healthy, the cal mag def is still running rampant! I fed her yesterday with 50% nutes and cal/mag, also got a real ph meter to measure run off. After 20% run off the ph was 6.2... So tomorrow I am going to water her with no nutes and ph'd water and hopefully will finally have it under control. Oh and yes there is now dolomite lime to help buffer the soil.
Last and definitely not least BUD SHOT and added side lighting for Zhara (she is sooo spoiled)
Thanks for watching!
- Face
ambedexteras
Well-Known Member
nice man, the one almost done flowering even with the nute burn looks like some dank smokeables lol
and idk man with your space. veg with CFL is cool. but you could buy a pack on amazon and get
both a 250W MH and HPS and aircooled hood/tube and ballast for a really good price. and anything lower then 600W
i dont think the heat would be an issue if you had some good fans. and idk ur budget but a AC in the window of that
room would handle anything 600W and less for heat and would def produce for ya. but again no question ur autos are def doing ok
under the CFL im talking non autos will def flourish under MH for veg and HPS for flower as oppose to CFL. i have no LED experience so i
cant speak on that.
but happy smoking/growing sir. looking good.
and idk man with your space. veg with CFL is cool. but you could buy a pack on amazon and get
both a 250W MH and HPS and aircooled hood/tube and ballast for a really good price. and anything lower then 600W
i dont think the heat would be an issue if you had some good fans. and idk ur budget but a AC in the window of that
room would handle anything 600W and less for heat and would def produce for ya. but again no question ur autos are def doing ok
under the CFL im talking non autos will def flourish under MH for veg and HPS for flower as oppose to CFL. i have no LED experience so i
cant speak on that.
but happy smoking/growing sir. looking good.
sadface
Active Member
Thank you for the comments! Got a quick update on the plants for you.
Zhara (AKR#2) is still growing and is about 15 inches tall. It is much more obvious she is taller and wider then her older sister Aliyha (AKR#1).
Side by Sides
Zhara's stem and top looking very healthy!
Dolomite lime seems to be finally kicking in for both plants as I have not seen any signs of a deficiency in Zhara. Aliyha while looks completely Fucked, is actually recovering as she is a lot less yellow and some of the purple in the stems is turning back to green. When I fed her full strength nutes run off was 6.5. So looks like soil is buffered now... wish I knew about lime when I initially mixed.
Aliyha's getting better and BUD SHOT!
I think I should be able to harvest Aliyha in about 1 to 2 weeks, so I plant on popping 2 more seeds next weekend to get perpetual.
Thanks for watching
- Face
Zhara (AKR#2) is still growing and is about 15 inches tall. It is much more obvious she is taller and wider then her older sister Aliyha (AKR#1).
Side by Sides
Zhara's stem and top looking very healthy!
Dolomite lime seems to be finally kicking in for both plants as I have not seen any signs of a deficiency in Zhara. Aliyha while looks completely Fucked, is actually recovering as she is a lot less yellow and some of the purple in the stems is turning back to green. When I fed her full strength nutes run off was 6.5. So looks like soil is buffered now... wish I knew about lime when I initially mixed.
Aliyha's getting better and BUD SHOT!
I think I should be able to harvest Aliyha in about 1 to 2 weeks, so I plant on popping 2 more seeds next weekend to get perpetual.
Thanks for watching
- Face
sadface
Active Member
yeah i may have spoken too prematurely about harvest. I got a 100x magnifier coming in mail tomorrow, so will be looking at the trichromes! Cant wait
Thanks for stopping in and for the feedback
buddygrow420
Member
Buds are looking good to me! I have at least 3 months to go!
sadface
Active Member
Thank you all for the wonderful comments and subscriptions!
I was called away on a in promtu business trip out of the country, so was not able to do my weekday update for you guys I am sorry!!! It was super stressful leaving the plants as well, I made sure to feed both before I left and got my wife to do a regular watering of Aliyha, and I fed her last night when I got back they both survived at least.
Okay less rambling and more update, took plenty of pics for you guys!
Both plants are doing well, although I think I partly misdiagnosed the nutrient deficiency as Zhara started to show same symptoms that Aliyha got and still has (purple stems and rust spots). More to come on that later, right now time for side by sides!
Side by Side
Zhara the younger one is now almost double the size of her younger sister. BUT bud formation is lacking compared to same age of her sister.
Zhara pics - Day 40 from sprout
So as you a can see purple stems running to fan leaves and rust spots. on Aliyha I had also had the yellowing leaves, so I think i had both a cal/mag & phosphorus deficiency. I think this happened for 2 reasons, 1. I accidentlyally bought the fox farm hydropponics trio not the soil trio. So hydro Grow big is about half the strength on P, then the soil version.... Big bloom and tiger are the same as the hydro though, so no biggie if the grower is aware of it. Also symptoms started showing right when they were starting to flower which is when the demand for P goes up! So, I wasn't giving it enough P during veg and was too slow switching to flowering nutes. So next feeding (tomorrow or monday) she will be getting her feeding of the flowering nutes. Soil ph run of last feeding was a perfect 6.4, so thank you dolomite lime for the buffering!
oh just for S&G, here is side by side top shots of day 40 of both plants. SEE HOW MUCH MORE BUDDING ALYIHA HAD. Will be curious to see how long zhara will go compared to Aliyha. Does anyone else find this weird??
Same age, same strain, so weird (at least for me)
Aliyha pics - Day 52 from sprout
going to outline the pics
1. Stem shot, got buds growing all the way down there!
2. Main colo shot - getting soo big now and it looks like it is ready to harvest soon to me. but i got some chrome pics for you coming up
3. NEW GROWTH - and I like that it is new bud sites. Growth is so nice and green which is why i now i fixed all the nute defs finally!
4. Side bud site pic - getting nice and big, also see lack of purple on stem to fan leaves YAY!
5. location of new bud site - also view of side sites again
I have no idea if I should be considering this plant a success or now. The bud sites look huge, but the fan leaves look so unhealthy. She is so stunted and artifically old, BUT they may of worked to my advantage for CFL lighting and getting quicker harvest. lol so baffled by these 2 lol, but first grow so it is expected.
So I got a 60x - 100x carson micro scope from amazon, I was way to hard to use to see the tricromes. Seriously i think it is suppoed to be used like a microscope, hard to use a microscope on a plant thats in soil and I wasnt cutting bud from my plant! So I got a 60x loupe, while it is no way 60x it was easier to get a viewable look at the tricrhomes. I just have NO idea if they are cloudy or not so HELP lol.
Trichrome pics - I may need to find a way to get that 100x scope as I cant tell from the below pics
What are your thoughts?????
Thanks for watching
- Face
SURPRISE!!!! BUD SHOT!!!
I was called away on a in promtu business trip out of the country, so was not able to do my weekday update for you guys I am sorry!!! It was super stressful leaving the plants as well, I made sure to feed both before I left and got my wife to do a regular watering of Aliyha, and I fed her last night when I got back they both survived at least.
Okay less rambling and more update, took plenty of pics for you guys!
Both plants are doing well, although I think I partly misdiagnosed the nutrient deficiency as Zhara started to show same symptoms that Aliyha got and still has (purple stems and rust spots). More to come on that later, right now time for side by sides!
Side by Side
Zhara the younger one is now almost double the size of her younger sister. BUT bud formation is lacking compared to same age of her sister.
Zhara pics - Day 40 from sprout
So as you a can see purple stems running to fan leaves and rust spots. on Aliyha I had also had the yellowing leaves, so I think i had both a cal/mag & phosphorus deficiency. I think this happened for 2 reasons, 1. I accidentlyally bought the fox farm hydropponics trio not the soil trio. So hydro Grow big is about half the strength on P, then the soil version.... Big bloom and tiger are the same as the hydro though, so no biggie if the grower is aware of it. Also symptoms started showing right when they were starting to flower which is when the demand for P goes up! So, I wasn't giving it enough P during veg and was too slow switching to flowering nutes. So next feeding (tomorrow or monday) she will be getting her feeding of the flowering nutes. Soil ph run of last feeding was a perfect 6.4, so thank you dolomite lime for the buffering!
oh just for S&G, here is side by side top shots of day 40 of both plants. SEE HOW MUCH MORE BUDDING ALYIHA HAD. Will be curious to see how long zhara will go compared to Aliyha. Does anyone else find this weird??
Same age, same strain, so weird (at least for me)Aliyha pics - Day 52 from sprout
going to outline the pics
1. Stem shot, got buds growing all the way down there!
2. Main colo shot - getting soo big now and it looks like it is ready to harvest soon to me. but i got some chrome pics for you coming up
3. NEW GROWTH - and I like that it is new bud sites. Growth is so nice and green which is why i now i fixed all the nute defs finally!
4. Side bud site pic - getting nice and big, also see lack of purple on stem to fan leaves YAY!
5. location of new bud site - also view of side sites again
I have no idea if I should be considering this plant a success or now. The bud sites look huge, but the fan leaves look so unhealthy. She is so stunted and artifically old, BUT they may of worked to my advantage for CFL lighting and getting quicker harvest. lol so baffled by these 2 lol, but first grow so it is expected.
So I got a 60x - 100x carson micro scope from amazon, I was way to hard to use to see the tricromes. Seriously i think it is suppoed to be used like a microscope, hard to use a microscope on a plant thats in soil and I wasnt cutting bud from my plant! So I got a 60x loupe, while it is no way 60x it was easier to get a viewable look at the tricrhomes. I just have NO idea if they are cloudy or not so HELP lol.
Trichrome pics - I may need to find a way to get that 100x scope as I cant tell from the below pics
What are your thoughts?????
Thanks for watching
- Face
SURPRISE!!!! BUD SHOT!!!
sadface
Active Member
Thanks man, yeah i'm such a new grower all these comments really are appreciated! I have some clarifying questions for you if you do not mind.
Okay so you are saying to not feed the young one as I may be burning her? She was only fed 25% veg nutes 2 times with a watering in between, also I guess the lime in the soil does add extra cal/mag (but symptoms were evident prior to lime). With the spots and purple stems I thought was P def? Have about 1 to 2 days before I water or feed her again so want to make sure I do the right thing
As for harvesting, does the 10 week rule apply for auto flowering plants as well? Its only been 5 weeks since she has shown her firs pistils (5/26 post it looks like). That main colo looks so done to me lol, and I feel like I cant get a good enough look at the trichromes to get a gauge of cloudiness.
Sorry for all the questions, I have read so many conflicting things on the internet. I like to see what people who have grown before and are looking at my actual grow have to say. Thank you again in advance!
b.real
New Member
my acid/diesel plants get frosty around week 5-6, but look the best at week 11-12.
my master kush got frosty around week 4-5, but looked the best at week 10-11.
before harvesting there should be no new pistil growth. pistils will die back, and youll think shes done but shell push out random white pistils. when this growth spurt is done, its harvest time
check your nutes. check your soil. do your nutes have cal/mag in them at all? does your soil have any slow release nutes or anything?
if there is even the tinest amount of cal/mag in your feeds, its micronute burn.
my master kush got frosty around week 4-5, but looked the best at week 10-11.
before harvesting there should be no new pistil growth. pistils will die back, and youll think shes done but shell push out random white pistils. when this growth spurt is done, its harvest time
check your nutes. check your soil. do your nutes have cal/mag in them at all? does your soil have any slow release nutes or anything?
if there is even the tinest amount of cal/mag in your feeds, its micronute burn.
sadface
Active Member
my acid/diesel plants get frosty around week 5-6, but look the best at week 11-12.
my master kush got frosty around week 4-5, but looked the best at week 10-11.
before harvesting there should be no new pistil growth. pistils will die back, and youll think shes done but shell push out random white pistils. when this growth spurt is done, its harvest time
check your nutes. check your soil. do your nutes have cal/mag in them at all? does your soil have any slow release nutes or anything?
if there is even the tinest amount of cal/mag in your feeds, its micronute burn.
kk so i will let will try to pay attention to the pistil growth for the older one!
There was some natural cal/mag in my soil from earthworm casings (FFOF), but none in the nutes I feed with. I actually bought bonicare cal/mag to start watering with because I thought it was originally a cal/mag DEF when the signs started to show in Aliyha. I posted on the plant problems board, stating that i thought it was a cal/mag def but wanted experienced an experienced person to diagnose. I was told that FFOF does not have a lot of cal/mag and was told to get the cal/mag and dolomite lime to add to the soil. That was when Alihya was showing same symptoms as Zhara is showing now.
It is important to note that Zhara started showing the same symptoms on lower growth area prior to any feeding at all. She has been fed 2 times at 25% veg nutes, given the symptoms manifested prior to feeding and that all feeding was light, is why i didn't think it was a burn issue. Also the purple stems are also supposed to be signs of a P def, which is why I was leaning towards that, given that she is technically flowering and I have not started to feed her flowering nutes yet. I am at a loss, if it is burn feeding more will just hurt it, yet if it is P def it needs feeding bad... lol
b.real
New Member
you may have a real deficiency then, but from what i know fox farms soil has a lot of cal/mag in it, enough to last an entire grow (as long as you dont water too heavily and wash all the nutes out)
cal and mag are micro or trace nutes, there doesnt need to be a lot for the plant to operate properly. you NEED a supplement in coco, but nowadays a proper synethic will have everything you need plus more.
may i suggest crushing up some egg shells, and then watering with a teaspoon of epsom salt to 32 oz of water if you think its a def?
im voting nute burn. what nutes do you use?
cal and mag are micro or trace nutes, there doesnt need to be a lot for the plant to operate properly. you NEED a supplement in coco, but nowadays a proper synethic will have everything you need plus more.
may i suggest crushing up some egg shells, and then watering with a teaspoon of epsom salt to 32 oz of water if you think its a def?
im voting nute burn. what nutes do you use?
sadface
Active Member
I'm using the fox farm trio (big bloom, grow big, and tiger bloom). I did accidentally buy the hydroponic version instead of soil, the only difference is in the Grow big, where the N and P are halved relative to the soil and 50% more K than the soil. The younger one has been fed 25% of veg nutes, which is the 0.75 tsp per gallon of big bloom (0.01 -0.3 - 0.7[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]) and 0.5 tsp per gallon of grow big (3-2-6). I did also use the cal/mag nutes in both those feedings at 1tsp per gallon, so if the soil was burning them before it would have made worse. I just keep going back to the purple stems though as they are not a sign of burn, but they can be a sign of pheno...
I agree 100% about the cal/mag nute, I am staying away from it going forward in soil grows. The soil and dolomite lime should be enough for throughout the grow. I may transition to coco or hempy bucket at some point, so the buy was not useless i guess.
okay i think best solution is to flush next watering, to get any excess ferts out. This way if it is burn, it wont get worse. If symptoms continue then we can say it is a P def, and we can then feed with flowering nutes. But i think it would be risky to try to feed it and potentially make the problem way worse. I could do it the other way, but I think it would be more stressful on the plant. [/FONT]
I agree 100% about the cal/mag nute, I am staying away from it going forward in soil grows. The soil and dolomite lime should be enough for throughout the grow. I may transition to coco or hempy bucket at some point, so the buy was not useless i guess.
okay i think best solution is to flush next watering, to get any excess ferts out. This way if it is burn, it wont get worse. If symptoms continue then we can say it is a P def, and we can then feed with flowering nutes. But i think it would be risky to try to feed it and potentially make the problem way worse. I could do it the other way, but I think it would be more stressful on the plant. [/FONT]
