Two cops got shot in Ferguson last night

Jimdamick said:

You do that molly bro, you seem wired.

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OldSoul777 said:

Anytime! Knowing our rights can mean the difference between jail or no jail. Its very hard for a cop to get into your house legally even if he does know you are growing. There needs to be proof. If a cop knocks on my door and I decide to answer it, I still wont let him in or talk through the door. I will step outside and talk to him and close the door behind me Just knowing simple things can save your ass! There should be a thread on how not to get busted and knowing your rights.

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rollyouron said:

The convenient store owner should have shot Big Brown in the the store. That way I wouldn't have had to read this whole thread. Hardly any of it pertained to Two Cops Get Shot in Ferguson.

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Pinworm said:

I am a little flustered today. I should probably lip a fat rail, and stop bitching. I'd rather be hugging.

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Rob Roy said:

I can't speak for these guys, but I bet they'd be willing to share....

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Rob Roy said:

I can't speak for these guys, but I bet they'd be willing to share....

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Jimdamick said:

Probably smoking your weed, and that's the amount it takes to get buzzed probably.

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OldSoul777 said:

I dont respect anyone out of fear!

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superloud said:

Its not out of fear its because i don't wnt trouble. i dnt fear the trouble just don't won't it. Favorite example a cop wants to give me a hundred dollar ticket for my brake lights being out. It pisses me off a lot and I would love to say fuck you you stupid fuck face to the cop but instead I am respectful because I don't want to deal with anything stupid.

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OldSoul777 said:

yea but he has the right to give you that ticket. He doesnt have the right to search your house and refusing to let him in is not disrespect. He does have the right to ask you if he can search or ask you to open the door but you dont have to and not doing so is not disrespect. Doing so just gives them an opportunity to bust you. you are doing their job for them. You are helping them hang you. Just you knowing the law and enacting your rights will come off as disrespectful to them because you are now challenging their authority. The more people give in and accept shit like this happening then obviously the more it will happen. I guess everyone sees it different. I am very respectful to everyone, even police but I would treat a cop the same way I would any stranger who knocked on my door and told me to open up. Letting him do what he asks in not a sign of respect. if he told you to suck his cock would you? If you dont then I suppose that is disrespect so you better do it so he dont give you any trouble. Do you see my point?

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superloud said:

I get what you're saying. But I don't think you understand what I am. saying. There is difference. between being respectfull and being compliant I said I am Respectful. Meaning I use words like yes Sir and no sir. Instead of words like fuck you you stupid bitch ass pig why you give me a ticket.

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OldSoul777 said:

This is the words of a cop!

If I walk up to your house and smell the distinct odor of marijuana coming from within, can I then search your house without first obtaining a search warrant?Not likely. The threshold for searching the interior of your home is extremely high, as it should be - courts have affirmed over the years that there is a "high expectation of privacy" in one's residence. In order for me to investigate the odor, I'm going to have to get into the house by some other means. No judge is going to sign a warrant based on a whiff of reefer, so unless exigent circumstances exist in conjunction with the odor for some odd reason, there is really only one other way I'm getting in: Consent.Permission obviously takes away any unreasonableness regarding entry.

In my scenario, I might knock and simply ask if I can come inside. If you let me in, I can visually scan the room I enter, but I cannot manipulate anything in the room - that constitutes a search. Contrary to seemingly widespread belief,permission to enter a dwelling does not automatically constitute permission to conduct a search.

A quick caveat to this idea. If there is a question about how the house is occupied (for instance, if you say you're home alone but I hear voices or footsteps, or any number of other articulable factors), officers are permitted to do an 'officer safety sweep' (quickly going through the structure to ensure there are no threats to our safety) - but even during this sweep, no active search can be made. I can only eliminate the possibility of ambush, which means that I can enter spaces large enough to conceal a human being (walk-in closets, shower enclosures, deep cabinets), but nothing smaller (dresser drawers, file cabinets). Also, I cannot manipulate anything in a room unnecessary to my intent of clearing the structure of possible hostiles during this sweep, or it turns into a search.

If I want to search, I have to specifically ask for consent for this. Some people will insist that the word "search" is magic and must be uttered in my request for it to be valid, but I'm fairly certain this isn't the case. Me asking, "Would you mind if I took a look around" has functionally held as much constitutional weight as, "Do you hereby consent to a search of your residence?" If you consent to a search, I now have legal access to any part of the residence, including those smaller areas, unless you specifically exclude access to a particular area (Pro Tip: Doing so is a huge flaming red flag billowing atop a pole which is itself on fire).If you decline a search, I'm pretty much at the end of my rope on the investigation, unless I see something in plain view. This is the legal basis for your question about detecting an odor, so we need to discuss it first.

Plain view is a long-supported exception to the Fourth Amendment warrant requirement. In the above scenario, if I am granted permission to walk into the living room and see marijuana pipes on top of the coffee table, I can immediately seize them as evidence without obtaining a warrant. Plain view requires three things to withstand judicial scrutiny:

• The officer has lawful access to a constitutionally protected area. If you consented to my entry, I have a search warrant, or I had exigent circumstances compelling me to enter without either (assault in progress, destruction of evidence, etc.), I have such access. This is an important step - even if I saw a trafficking-level grow operation through an open window, I couldn't barge in and secure it without consent or a warrant (I'm getting the latter, by the way).
• The item in question is in 'plain view,' and requires no manipulation to observe. Going to the living room scenario, if I see the outline of what looks to be drug paraphernalia under fabric (or any number of other situations), I cannot move the fabric to make sure and then seize it based on plain view. Legally, even though I saw evidence of it, it required a search to directly observe.
• The officer immediately recognizes the item in question as contraband. I'm not required to have certainty - I can't carry a forensics lab around with me. At the same time, though, I can't be uncertain - I can't seize something because I think there's an off chance it might be black tar heroin. If I seize something, I have to do it in good faith.

Only when all three of those requirements are met can I effect a seizure. Now, let's tie that into the "odor of marijuana" issue. We've established that I cannot enter your house based on odor alone. But let's assume that you allowed me into the residence, and I there smelled such an odor. Can I search then? Still no. I need probable cause to search, and odor in a residence does not give it to me. Maybe the tenant before you smoked marijuana so often the smell permeated the drapes. Maybe a guest smoked a roach while you were in the backyard and took his stash with him. Maybe any number of things - but odor can only give me a hunch, which does not give me license to search

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panhead said:

What you wrote is what cops tell the public , judges & juries, it does not reflect on the day to day operation of a police officer , every last thing that cop told you they CANT legally do has been done to me & my family .

I had 2 cops who were getting ready to murder our 2 guard dogs because the meter reader asshole couldnt access the gated property in the city , i pulled up just as the cop was drawing down with his 12 gauge & stopped him .

Police had no legal right to even be on my property yet they made the decision to murder 2 animals so my meter could be read vs leaving a note like a normal person .

Ive had cops come to my country home & walk right in with dirty shoes , walk thru our entire home ( pearl white carpet ) & walk out on our back patio where my family was hanging out & cooking on the grill , we were lucky that the guard dogs were in their kennel & my wifes helper dog was laying at her feet , if not some cops woulda had their asses mauled by 2 mean ass 160 lb American Bulldogs before they killed em both.

Another time 2 asswipe city cops showed up wanting info about my son & wanted to come in & talk , i said no go bro it aint happenin & went to close the door on them when the cop in the door forced his way in , now their both in my house & im telling them to GTFO of my house , no way , probable cause because of drug paraphernalia so im like what drug shit are you talking about , the mother fuker pointed at my tube hifi system saying it looks like some kinda drug lab equipment , i said are you so fukin stupid you cant tell the difference between a stereo system & drug paraphernalia? His excuse was he'd never seen a stereo with glowing tubes , the whole time that cop is keeping me busy cop #2 is on a tour of the home , i had to holler at him not to open my wifes bedroom door , his hand was on the knob & if he'd opened that door my wifes dog woulda lept off the bed & ripped his face off , stupid bastards .

Then the worst was when a friend of mine was murdered & 2 detectives showed up wanting to talk to me about his death so im like fuk yeah come right in i'll help in any way i can , bad move on my part !

After i let them in they decided to tell me somebody called crime stoppers & said i killed my friend over 20 lbs of weed , at that point i told em shows over fellas & they had to leave asap & i wasnt saying another word without my lawyer , cop said we can do this the easy or the hard way , the easy way was me giving my consent to search & they promised to only look places big enough to hide 20 lbs , the hard way was i didnt give consent , they'd kick the shit outta me & tear my home to shreds lookin for the weed .

I called their chicken shit bluff & said I'll take the ass kicking cause you dicks aint searching shit , we all just sat there & the cop said were gonna give you 1 more chance to do this the easy way , i told em to either start kicking my ass or start heading for the door , they paused long enough to make a half dozen more threats then they left .

My buddies ole lady killed him & they busted her a week later , fukin bitch .

That you cant come in without a warrant dont mean shit to those animals & they will twist & distort the law & our rights on a whim if it suits them .

Cops have violated my rights for 40 yrs at will , i had a cop put a cigarette out on my face while i was cuffed cause i said his mom blew me , i still have the scar , fuk them 2 dead assholes i'd bet the bank they fuked hundreds of people over & just didnt get caught yet .

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panhead said:

What you wrote is what cops tell the public , judges & juries, it does not reflect on the day to day operation of a police officer , every last thing that cop told you they CANT legally do has been done to me & my family .

I had 2 cops who were getting ready to murder our 2 guard dogs because the meter reader asshole couldnt access the gated property in the city , i pulled up just as the cop was drawing down with his 12 gauge & stopped him .

Police had no legal right to even be on my property yet they made the decision to murder 2 animals so my meter could be read vs leaving a note like a normal person .

Ive had cops come to my country home & walk right in with dirty shoes , walk thru our entire home ( pearl white carpet ) & walk out on our back patio where my family was hanging out & cooking on the grill , we were lucky that the guard dogs were in their kennel & my wifes helper dog was laying at her feet , if not some cops woulda had their asses mauled by 2 mean ass 160 lb American Bulldogs before they killed em both.

Another time 2 asswipe city cops showed up wanting info about my son & wanted to come in & talk , i said no go bro it aint happenin & went to close the door on them when the cop in the door forced his way in , now their both in my house & im telling them to GTFO of my house , no way , probable cause because of drug paraphernalia so im like what drug shit are you talking about , the mother fuker pointed at my tube hifi system saying it looks like some kinda drug lab equipment , i said are you so fukin stupid you cant tell the difference between a stereo system & drug paraphernalia? His excuse was he'd never seen a stereo with glowing tubes , the whole time that cop is keeping me busy cop #2 is on a tour of the home , i had to holler at him not to open my wifes bedroom door , his hand was on the knob & if he'd opened that door my wifes dog woulda lept off the bed & ripped his face off , stupid bastards .

Then the worst was when a friend of mine was murdered & 2 detectives showed up wanting to talk to me about his death so im like fuk yeah come right in i'll help in any way i can , bad move on my part !

After i let them in they decided to tell me somebody called crime stoppers & said i killed my friend over 20 lbs of weed , at that point i told em shows over fellas & they had to leave asap & i wasnt saying another word without my lawyer , cop said we can do this the easy or the hard way , the easy way was me giving my consent to search & they promised to only look places big enough to hide 20 lbs , the hard way was i didnt give consent , they'd kick the shit outta me & tear my home to shreds lookin for the weed .

I called their chicken shit bluff & said I'll take the ass kicking cause you dicks aint searching shit , we all just sat there & the cop said were gonna give you 1 more chance to do this the easy way , i told em to either start kicking my ass or start heading for the door , they paused long enough to make a half dozen more threats then they left .

My buddies ole lady killed him & they busted her a week later , fukin bitch .

That you cant come in without a warrant dont mean shit to those animals & they will twist & distort the law & our rights on a whim if it suits them .

Cops have violated my rights for 40 yrs at will , i had a cop put a cigarette out on my face while i was cuffed cause i said his mom blew me , i still have the scar , fuk them 2 dead assholes i'd bet the bank they fuked hundreds of people over & just didnt get caught yet .

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panhead said:

What you wrote is what cops tell the public , judges & juries, it does not reflect on the day to day operation of a police officer , every last thing that cop told you they CANT legally do has been done to me & my family .

I had 2 cops who were getting ready to murder our 2 guard dogs because the meter reader asshole couldnt access the gated property in the city , i pulled up just as the cop was drawing down with his 12 gauge & stopped him .

Police had no legal right to even be on my property yet they made the decision to murder 2 animals so my meter could be read vs leaving a note like a normal person .

Ive had cops come to my country home & walk right in with dirty shoes , walk thru our entire home ( pearl white carpet ) & walk out on our back patio where my family was hanging out & cooking on the grill , we were lucky that the guard dogs were in their kennel & my wifes helper dog was laying at her feet , if not some cops woulda had their asses mauled by 2 mean ass 160 lb American Bulldogs before they killed em both.

Another time 2 asswipe city cops showed up wanting info about my son & wanted to come in & talk , i said no go bro it aint happenin & went to close the door on them when the cop in the door forced his way in , now their both in my house & im telling them to GTFO of my house , no way , probable cause because of drug paraphernalia so im like what drug shit are you talking about , the mother fuker pointed at my tube hifi system saying it looks like some kinda drug lab equipment , i said are you so fukin stupid you cant tell the difference between a stereo system & drug paraphernalia? His excuse was he'd never seen a stereo with glowing tubes , the whole time that cop is keeping me busy cop #2 is on a tour of the home , i had to holler at him not to open my wifes bedroom door , his hand was on the knob & if he'd opened that door my wifes dog woulda lept off the bed & ripped his face off , stupid bastards .

Then the worst was when a friend of mine was murdered & 2 detectives showed up wanting to talk to me about his death so im like fuk yeah come right in i'll help in any way i can , bad move on my part !

After i let them in they decided to tell me somebody called crime stoppers & said i killed my friend over 20 lbs of weed , at that point i told em shows over fellas & they had to leave asap & i wasnt saying another word without my lawyer , cop said we can do this the easy or the hard way , the easy way was me giving my consent to search & they promised to only look places big enough to hide 20 lbs , the hard way was i didnt give consent , they'd kick the shit outta me & tear my home to shreds lookin for the weed .

I called their chicken shit bluff & said I'll take the ass kicking cause you dicks aint searching shit , we all just sat there & the cop said were gonna give you 1 more chance to do this the easy way , i told em to either start kicking my ass or start heading for the door , they paused long enough to make a half dozen more threats then they left .

My buddies ole lady killed him & they busted her a week later , fukin bitch .

That you cant come in without a warrant dont mean shit to those animals & they will twist & distort the law & our rights on a whim if it suits them .

Cops have violated my rights for 40 yrs at will , i had a cop put a cigarette out on my face while i was cuffed cause i said his mom blew me ,i was drunk as hell , i still have the scar , fuk them 2 assholes i'd bet the bank they fuked hundreds of people over & just didnt get caught yet .

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panhead said:

What you wrote is what cops tell the public , judges & juries, it does not reflect on the day to day operation of a police officer , every last thing that cop told you they CANT legally do has been done to me & my family .

I had 2 cops who were getting ready to murder our 2 guard dogs because the meter reader asshole couldnt access the gated property in the city , i pulled up just as the cop was drawing down with his 12 gauge & stopped him .

Police had no legal right to even be on my property yet they made the decision to murder 2 animals so my meter could be read vs leaving a note like a normal person .

Ive had cops come to my country home & walk right in with dirty shoes , walk thru our entire home ( pearl white carpet ) & walk out on our back patio where my family was hanging out & cooking on the grill , we were lucky that the guard dogs were in their kennel & my wifes helper dog was laying at her feet , if not some cops woulda had their asses mauled by 2 mean ass 160 lb American Bulldogs before they killed em both.

Another time 2 asswipe city cops showed up wanting info about my son & wanted to come in & talk , i said no go bro it aint happenin & went to close the door on them when the cop in the door forced his way in , now their both in my house & im telling them to GTFO of my house , no way , probable cause because of drug paraphernalia so im like what drug shit are you talking about , the mother fuker pointed at my tube hifi system saying it looks like some kinda drug lab equipment , i said are you so fukin stupid you cant tell the difference between a stereo system & drug paraphernalia? His excuse was he'd never seen a stereo with glowing tubes , the whole time that cop is keeping me busy cop #2 is on a tour of the home , i had to holler at him not to open my wifes bedroom door , his hand was on the knob & if he'd opened that door my wifes dog woulda lept off the bed & ripped his face off , stupid bastards .

Then the worst was when a friend of mine was murdered & 2 detectives showed up wanting to talk to me about his death so im like fuk yeah come right in i'll help in any way i can , bad move on my part !

After i let them in they decided to tell me somebody called crime stoppers & said i killed my friend over 20 lbs of weed , at that point i told em shows over fellas & they had to leave asap & i wasnt saying another word without my lawyer , cop said we can do this the easy or the hard way , the easy way was me giving my consent to search & they promised to only look places big enough to hide 20 lbs , the hard way was i didnt give consent , they'd kick the shit outta me & tear my home to shreds lookin for the weed .

I called their chicken shit bluff & said I'll take the ass kicking cause you dicks aint searching shit , we all just sat there & the cop said were gonna give you 1 more chance to do this the easy way , i told em to either start kicking my ass or start heading for the door , they paused long enough to make a half dozen more threats then they left .

My buddies ole lady killed him & they busted her a week later , fukin bitch .

That you cant come in without a warrant dont mean shit to those animals & they will twist & distort the law & our rights on a whim if it suits them .

Cops have violated my rights for 40 yrs at will , i had a cop put a cigarette out on my face while i was cuffed cause i said his mom blew me ,i was drunk as hell , i still have the scar , fuk them 2 assholes i'd bet the bank they fuked hundreds of people over & just didnt get caught yet .

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OldSoul777 said:

its all up to how much you let a cop get away with it. What that cop said is the law. it is up tp you to not let them fuck you over otherwise. if you are ignorant to them infringing on your rights then you can do nothing ton stop them. Knowing your rights is key!

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panhead said:

Ignorance of the law dont come into play bro , if you open your door 1/16 th of an inch a cop can claim he saw , heard or smelled something & at that point there is no keeping them out , im on my wifes ass all the time about keeping doors locked after they just walked in & helped themselves .

What would my recourse be when they FORCED entry into my home ? Sue them ?
I see these know your rights vids online & laugh , you try rolling your window down 2 inches to talk to a Detroit cop & they'll smash your window & drag you out .

The only bit about knowing your rights that actually works is to not answer the door for any cop for any reason , after that its the cops word vs ours & were all liars .

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OldSoul777 said:

I hear you. It sound like you live in a rough neighborhood for cops to act this way. They must deal with some shady ass people on a regular basis. Not saying it gives them the right to do what they do but I noticed cops tend to act this way when they deal with criminal, drug addicts and rift raft. not saying thats you either. I'm just saying maybe thats thew kind of people they deal with on a normal basis. I have lived in good and bad neighborhoods and have seen the difference in a cops attitude. I live among million dollar homes now and haven't been harassed or even pulled over by a cop in the last 10 years since I have lived where I do now.. I have an 8 camera surveillance system so its not their word against mine anymore. If I lived in an area where the cops acted like that I would surely invest in a system. 4 cameras and dvr is 100.00 shipped on ebay!

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