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riverchaser said:

Does anyone think that insurance companies are possibly part of the problem here? I currently work in an auto body paint shop. Its a little different with us in a small town, but I am led to believe that If i were to apply at another shop I would be tested just because I may have to drive a car owned by someone else. Of course, once the car is at the shop, it is under the shops insurance. I'm wondering all other types of business insurance are subject to similar scrutiny due to liability issues and our incredibly sue happy culture... and yeah, how about those results?

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Insuance companies themselves, and the agencies they represent, do not require drug tests. If you are getting a CDL, you'll get the test from the State. If you get into a car accident, you'll not likely be tested, but if you cause personal injury or property, you will. Also, any time an employee is injured at work, you're tested, and coverage can be denied due to having drugs in your system. If you even have prescription drugs, you need to show the proof.

That said, most employers require the tests, and the agencies can set them up with clinics to do that. If you drive for a living (tow trucks, over the road, etc), you will need regular random testing in the company, and results kept in your employee file.

Coverage will always be there for the companies liability, but you might be fucked if you get hurt. It doesn't matter one little bit if you smoked last week, last night, or that morning, you're fucked.

I'm happy to answer any other insurance questions if anyone wants them.....regarding business insurance though......I'm not into personal stuff.

ganjames said:

all your synthetic piss will tell me is "i'm irresponsible and choose to take the easy way out"

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Uh... no, the synthetic piss will tell you that he's an upstanding young citizen with clean piss...

My beef with that is i work to live...not live to work. I am not property of the place that writes my paycheck and what I do outside of work is none of works damn business. I can be responsible enough to not come in to work under the influence. The same can't always be said about the drinkers who come in to work hung over... but that's ok because the government says so. I can't honestly think of anyone I've worked with over the last ten years that didn't drink hard, have multiple dui's and still get hired. I have a clean criminal record, and just because something is in my urine that they think shouldn't be I can be denied employment, regardless of experience and reliability.

As for the CDL I figured it was a government thing. I want nothing to do with that career path. Can you imagine being the person getting paid to watch people piss all day... how fucked up would that be." Well honey, I'm off to work to go look at other peoples junk for the next 8 hours... whats for dinner tonight. Please don't say sausage."

As for the injury thing, shit happens. Can you say with 100% certainty that the THC in my piss that is why the accident happened. No you can not, its just a cop out so those with money can keep it as opposed to shilling it out when they are supposed to.

California will give buisness owners a discount on their Workman's comp. if they piss test their employees.

Why is it ok to have a trace amount of booze in your system and it be OK??????

riverchaser said:

My beef with that is i work to live...not live to work. I am not property of the place that writes my paycheck and what I do outside of work is none of works damn business. I can be responsible enough to not come in to work under the influence. The same can't always be said about the drinkers who come in to work hung over... but that's ok because the government says so. I can't honestly think of anyone I've worked with over the last ten years that didn't drink hard, have multiple dui's and still get hired. I have a clean criminal record, and just because something is in my urine that they think shouldn't be I can be denied employment, regardless of experience and reliability.

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A single DUI or other drinking and driving offense automatically makes you uneligable to drive for a commercial business, unless they wish to peel the truck you're going to drive off the primary policy and put it on lets say Progressive. It will cost them 5x as much for that one truck, and I've only seen a company owner do this twice, and it was for family.

Also, those tickets you think drop off after a few years, stay on an MVR for many years, and although they're only supposed to use the last 5 years of driving history, they take into account every year that shows up, like it or not.

And, just FYI, I've personally seen the results of someone up late partying on their own time, just smoking down and being tired in the morning. He died when he closed his eyes for a second driving up out of a quarry......it was not pretty.

dirtsurfr said:

California will give buisness owners a discount on their Workman's comp. if they piss test their employees.

Why is it ok to have a trace amount of booze in your system and it be OK??????

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All companies in every State get a drug testing discount on their WC, as well as a series of other employer/employee requirements, such as a signed employee handbook, and and a handfull of others.....that's why they do it so much.

A lot of companies, once hired, have in place a random test policy, which is usually just used upon "reasonable suspicion" (sp?))

Anyone who drives for a living is not too bright for using drugs of any kind ever. It will be a problem some day.

They need to drug test every public figure that holds or wants to hold office in the USA.
Oh wait their the 1 % silly me...

LOL. Rules don't apply to those that make them, didn't you get the memo

bowlfullofbliss said:

LOL. Rules don't apply to those that make them, didn't you get the memo

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Untill it's thrown in their face every time they step up to the podium and asked why??????

I think Walmart killed the op. They probably caught him. I bet he's being made into pink slime as we speak.

Farewell OP. We bar-ley knew ye.

wanna know if you passed or not

thing with MJ testing and accidents and such, how doest it compare to many prescribed medications?
and if MJ were ever rescheduled(or legalized), what would be the protocol with motor vehicles?
pretty safe bet that driving under the influence would still be a bad
but proving someone's degree of impairment under MJ is not going to be straight forward
because there is no good intoxication test(other than a blood test, and that's iffy)
i know in NY, it's quite rare for an MJ DUI case to come up, unless it's very blatant(lit joint, weed in car, etc.)

Hmmm.. maybe the op failed and was driven from his community by an angry mob with pitchforks.

Maybe they shipped him to a sweat shop over seas. They have to have a plan B for all the highon applicants...

riverchaser said:

Does anyone think that insurance companies are possibly part of the problem here? I currently work in an auto body paint shop. Its a little different with us in a small town, but I am led to believe that If i were to apply at another shop I would be tested just because I may have to drive a car owned by someone else. Of course, once the car is at the shop, it is under the shops insurance. I'm wondering all other types of business insurance are subject to similar scrutiny due to liability issues and our incredibly sue happy culture... and yeah, how about those results?

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i am not aware of any insurance companies that "require" drug testing per policy, but i worked at a large national cable company and the reason they subjected us to drug tests was because doing so actually resulted in a discount on their liability insurance. the criteria was the same between techs who drive door to door and people who sit on their ass in the call centers, it had nothing to do with the actual job being performed. if you got stung by a bee, drug test, if you tripped on a rug, drug test, if you went to sit down and someone moved your chair to be funny and you fell, drug test. they were fufilling a requirement for a discount. trust and believe no company wants to drug test tens of thousands of employees if it's going to COST them money in the long run.

those "how's my driving" stickers are pretty much the same deal. taking additional measures to "monitor your employees" generally gets you a discount. sort of like having an alarm gets you a discount on car insurance. it's about money first, then safety.

quest dio. dude i went there and pissed a neon yellow. from a drink of course and they didnt say a thing. most drinks turn your piss false any how by vitamins and chemicals so i think your good

^ truth

my multivitamins turn my piss a neon color sometimes.

AltarNation said:

Uh... no, the synthetic piss will tell you that he's an upstanding young citizen with clean piss...

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ganjames said:

i'd do the real drug tests, ones that can check for synthetic piss.

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READ!!!

bowlfullofbliss said:

All companies in every State get a drug testing discount on their WC, as well as a series of other employer/employee requirements, such as a signed employee handbook, and and a handfull of others.....that's why they do it so much.

A lot of companies, once hired, have in place a random test policy, which is usually just used upon "reasonable suspicion" (sp?))

Anyone who drives for a living is not too bright for using drugs of any kind ever. It will be a problem some day.

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I guess I shouldn't have used cdl as an example as it is not what I'm interested in at all. 15-20 tons worth of moving weight is always going to be dangerous. Last fall there was a young dump truck driver who was diabetic and ended up passing out behind the wheel. His foot went to the floor and his truck ended up going through a building missing the inhabitants by about 10 feet. HIS TRUCK BARRELED THROUGH THE WHOLE BUILDING. It ended up exploding on the railroad tracks behind the building it had just taken out. Maybe people with minor manageable health issues should be denied employment as well.

What it comes down to is being responsible for yourself and your actions... but this is not the way the world works anymore.

riverchaser said:

The bladder patrol is already omnipotent. I've seen jobs that pay 8/hr 10-20 hrs a week wanting a criminal background check and U/A.

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I applied at a grocery store and they wanted me to take a U/A while another employee watched. For $7.50/hr 20 hrs a week and your check comes on a debit card that they charge you to use. I walked out when I heard that.

The worst part is they still somehow managed to hire my former manager, who at my last job stole around 8 grand (he confessed too). They care enough about making sure you are "Drug Free" but they have no problem hiring a thief?

Thats kinda stupid on their part. The only thing more important than meddling in your employees lives should be money. (sarcasm)