Union Teachers Say The Hell With Students

mr2shim

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I suggest everyone go onto netflix(if it's still there) and watch "The Corporation" Very good non bias documentary on the history of the corporation, what it was/has become.
 

Grandpapy

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I know you guys will disagree, but IMO, big business by itself would never be the monopoly we all loathe. When government implements regulations that smaller companies cannot afford to financially comply with, only the big corporations go on.
98 out of 100 people are honest, 98 out 100 Corps. are honest. Lump them in a group, call them an "Industry" they take on the "pack mentality" which serves the "pack" not the people, and all of sudden you are left with only 85 honest Corps. But it leaves their hands smelling clean.
 

beenthere

New Member
That would be true IF big business didn't lobby the shit out of congressmen/women to get these regulations passed that allow them more freedom and in turn crush small business.
Well here's the thing Mr2shim, big corporations will always be there lobbying as long as our elected officials allow them to do so. We don't pay the salaries of those who run big corporations, we do however pay the salaries of our congressmen. Whether you agree or disagree, you can understand why big business lobby's the government, now ask yourself, why does the government allow them to do it!
 

mr2shim

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Well here's the thing Mr2shim, big corporations will always be there lobbying as long as our elected officials allow them to do so. We don't pay the salaries of those who run big corporations, we do however pay the salaries of our congressmen. Whether you agree or disagree, you can understand why big business lobby's the government, now ask yourself, why does the government allow them to do it!
Legal bribery at it's finest. America FUCK YEA
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
LMAO Walmart is the epitome of my argument!
Wal-Mart is famous for its predatory tactics. They'll send spies to local retailers in order to undercut them. WM sells at a loss, and if the locals try to match, they'll lose the price war because WM is huge. They'll lose anyway; it's built into the strategy. Once the competition is wiped out, WM prices are returned to regional guidelines.

This is capitalism in action. It concentrates power away from the people. cn
 

Padawanbater2

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You're using the Jon Stewart show to argue your point, really? LOL
No, I used clips from the Daily Show to illustrate my point. Had you watched any of them, in total I think they add up to less than 10 minutes, I think this next bit below would make more sense

Major difference, teachers are paid by you and I, so we should have a say in it.
CEO's are from the private sector, not paid for by you and I.
Even though I agree that many of them are way over paid, it's not my business.
What about the CEO's from wallstreet who walked away with millions of taxpayer dollars in severance and golden parachute packages? I remember conservatives in the media at the time of the bailout defending this by saying they had contractual obligations, even though their companies went bankrupt. So even after they destroyed the global economy and were given billions to keep everything barely afloat, the CEO's came out the winners and not a single person went to jail for it.

These are the people you should focus your efforts of demonizing on, my friend. Not teachers. Teachers get scraps compared to bankers on wallstreet and politicians. They actively seek to divert the focus off of stuff like that onto teachers pensions and benefits, as meager as they are, and again, if you don't believe they are, watch those clips I posted. Watch one of the clips I posted.

Just like Bill from my 'Hey White Guys' thread said, getting mad at the educators instead of bankers and politicians in this political climate is like someone coming into your house, eating your food, sleeping with your wife and tearing the place up and instead of getting mad at him, you go outside and yell at the guy spitting on the sidewalk in front of your mailbox...

So Parents shouldn't be the ones in charge of their own children? There is someone better to be the parent? Who would this be? Do they know how expensive it is to raise kids?
Sure they should, but not when it comes to public education. Parents do not have the right to dictate what their kid learns based on their own personal beliefs. This is the very reason we have a public education system in the first place.

And like I said, if the parent doesn't agree with this, they have the right to homeschool their kid or send them to a private school.
 

kelly4

Well-Known Member
No, I used clips from the Daily Show to illustrate my point. Had you watched any of them, in total I think they add up to less than 10 minutes, I think this next bit below would make more sense



What about the CEO's from wallstreet who walked away with millions of taxpayer dollars in severance and golden parachute packages? I remember conservatives in the media at the time of the bailout defending this by saying they had contractual obligations, even though their companies went bankrupt. So even after they destroyed the global economy and were given billions to keep everything barely afloat, the CEO's came out the winners and not a single person went to jail for it.

These are the people you should focus your efforts of demonizing on, my friend. Not teachers. Teachers get scraps compared to bankers on wallstreet and politicians. They actively seek to divert the focus off of stuff like that onto teachers pensions and benefits, as meager as they are, and again, if you don't believe they are, watch those clips I posted. Watch one of the clips I posted.

Just like Bill from my 'Hey White Guys' thread said, getting mad at the educators instead of bankers and politicians in this political climate is like someone coming into your house, eating your food, sleeping with your wife and tearing the place up and instead of getting mad at him, you go outside and yell at the guy spitting on the sidewalk in front of your mailbox...


Sure they should, but not when it comes to public education. Parents do not have the right to dictate what their kid learns based on their own personal beliefs. This is the very reason we have a public education system in the first place.

And like I said, if the parent doesn't agree with this, they have the right to homeschool their kid or send them to a private school.
Are you for tax credits if parents don't send their kids to public school?
 

ChesusRice

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Are you for tax credits if parents don't send their kids to public school?
I dont send my kid to public school I still pay my property taxes

What you are asking for is a way to unfund public schools

and the answer is NO

USA has enough morons running around already
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Are you for tax credits if parents don't send their kids to public school?
I don't know anything about that, but I'll give you my opinion

If parents don't send their kids to public schools, do I think they should still pay for the public education system through taxation?

I would probably say no, but that would also go for many other things as well. For example, I don't agree with the wars, so I don't believe my tax dollars should go towards funding them.

Although I don't think a taxation system set up like that would succeed. If we all paid for only the things we used personally, we'd likely have an underfunded infrastructure across the board, so I'm not sure how to solve that one..
 

Samwell Seed Well

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you just solved . . everyone helps everyone and we are all good

why is it private school children dont deserve a tax credit . . . . and form of education should get a tax credit

private school spendy

my friends kids pay for school supplies .. .what the fuck is that . . . and my parents payed for school supplies at private school for my sister . .. .seems the same to me . .
 

NoDrama

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Sure they should, but not when it comes to public education. Parents do not have the right to dictate what their kid learns based on their own personal beliefs. This is the very reason we have a public education system in the first place.

And like I said, if the parent doesn't agree with this, they have the right to homeschool their kid or send them to a private school.
So if the public school decided to teach something racist? Are you against a parent having anything against that too? You can't just give carte Blanche to a public school system and not give parents any say in it.
 

ChesusRice

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So if the public school decided to teach something racist? Are you against a parent having anything against that too? You can't just give carte Blanche to a public school system and not give parents any say in it.
That is what the Elected
school board is for
 

Padawanbater2

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So if the public school decided to teach something racist? Are you against a parent having anything against that too? You can't just give carte Blanche to a public school system and not give parents any say in it.
Public schools wouldn't decide to teach racist material. Racism, just like religion, has no place in the public school system.
 
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