Union Teachers Say The Hell With Students

kelly4 said:

my point in post #129 was not about bosses paying women less. It was about getting paid on your worth to the company.

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i'm glad to know you support equal pay for equal work.

but your point in #129 was overly broad and vague. GOPesque, as you tend to be at times.

if the boss and the boss alone determines your worth to the company, he can decide that the women get paid 77% of the men. i won't venture into other empirical examples of certain people being valued less for the same job. or getting equal pay for a shittier job (henry ford).

the point can extend further into minimum wage laws, but i won't go there.

i'll go ahead and ask if you support the blunt amendment now. yes or no.

UncleBuck said:

i'm glad to know you support equal pay for equal work.

but your point in #129 was overly broad and vague. GOPesque, as you tend to be at times.

if the boss and the boss alone determines your worth to the company, he can decide that the women get paid 77% of the men. i won't venture into other empirical examples of certain people being valued less for the same job. or getting equal pay for a shittier job (henry ford).

the point can extend further into minimum wage laws, but i won't go there.

i'll go ahead and ask if you support the blunt amendment now. yes or no.

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Let me remind you that womens pay wasn't brought up until after post #129. How would I know you would take it to mean something like that?
On blunt,I have no feeling either way. I keep my nose out of that political bees nest.

kelly4 said:

Let me remind you that womens pay wasn't brought up until after post #129. How would I know you would take it to mean something like that?
On blunt,I have no feeling either way. I keep my nose out of that political bees nest.

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i brought up the point of equal pay for equal work for a reason. i used the hot button issue of equal pay for women to give it more impact. the reason i brought it up was because you seemed to intimate that a boss and a boss alone should be able to determine the pay of his or her employees.

basically i laid a trap on the sentiment of that post because i felt it to be infectious. and the trap worked. you agree with me that wages are not the sole domain of the boss, and should be subject to oversight by an authority of sorts that ensures (at least) basic parity and equality.

the blunt amendment inquiry was my way of poking a new nest: should your employer also be allowed to decide with no oversight besides his/her own religious beliefs what counts as medicine?

i asked that one specifically because you were the only one to respond in favor of sky daddy in a previous trap question i asked.

https://www.rollitup.org/politics/522024-answer-trap-question.html

kelly4 said:

"Maybe if the education system taught you how to convey yourself with text then you wouldn't have these problems".
That's what you told me, so you must think it is wise.
Or were you just trying to be a dick?
Either way, you crack me up...

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and what does your inability to specify your subject matter mean toward the fact that you think equal wages are what matters but you dont support teachers raises and you dont think employers should have to pay women equally


i love the . . . contextual conviction . . .. . keep laughing, jokes on you


confusion cause you cant specify your subject matter has nothing to do with your hypocritical stance on equal wages . . . . .

beenthere said:

Why the exaggeration?

If union growers were producing 14 grams per plant dry and you knew the plants should be averaging 24 grams per plant, would you want union growers growing your stuff?

You dolts will just not admit any wrong doing from any union, why the fuck do you think 40% of the Chicago teachers send their kids to private schools?

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@ reasons...1. better education
2. much safer

Samwell Seed Well said:

i say pay em 100k a year, when the next generation i support is making, degrasy,gates,jobs, etc, look like dexters labratory

ill be happy with my smart and well educated society

and ill continue to laugh at the other consumer based society that promotes drone like behavior adn football contracts that could rival the economies of emirging industrial nations

shit got mixed up . .

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Got no problem with paying qualified teachers 100k a year...the problem is that many here are not qualified.

Samwell Seed Well said:

and what does your inability to specify your subject matter mean toward the fact that you think equal wages are what matters but you dont support teachers raises and you dont think employers should have to pay women equally


i love the . . . contextual conviction . . .. . keep laughing, jokes on you


confusion cause you cant specify your subject matter has nothing to do with your hypocritical stance on equal wages . . . . .

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Awww, Samwell got confused, and he blames me.
He jumped to a conclusion, and blames me.
He made a bad assumption, and blames me.

I've already told him a couple times that women deserve equal pay, but he still claims I believe different.

How many years of college do you have left young one? You still have a lot of learning to do...

If paying teachers more is directly correlated to student success, then lets pay teachers $1 billion per year and turn out millions of Einsteins a year.

UncleBuck said:

i brought up the point of equal pay for equal work for a reason. i used the hot button issue of equal pay for women to give it more impact. the reason i brought it up was because you seemed to intimate that a boss and a boss alone should be able to determine the pay of his or her employees. So, it wasn't because I was overly vague, like the GOP? You brought it up for the "hot button aspect"?


basically i laid a trap on the sentiment of that post because i felt it to be infectious. and the trap worked. you agree with me that wages are not the sole domain of the boss, and should be subject to oversight by an authority of sorts that ensures (at least) basic parity and equality. I didn't say all that...

the blunt amendment inquiry was my way of poking a new nest: should your employer also be allowed to decide with no oversight besides his/her own religious beliefs what counts as medicine? You were hoping I would say something you could slam me on...keep trying.

i asked that one specifically because you were the only one to respond in favor of sky daddy in a previous trap question i asked. We've been over this one already, a couple times. Good to see you keep trying with it though...shows conviction.

https://www.rollitup.org/politics/522024-answer-trap-question.html

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Keep trying to catch me in traps, though.......you never will.















Samwell.....wake up, you're late for school!

NoDrama said:

If paying teachers more is directly correlated to student success, then lets pay teachers $1 billion per year and turn out millions of Einsteins a year.

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Great idea!
That will also work to put more money in the system and help stimulate the economy.

I do think that only the men should get $1 billion...the women should only get $800,000,000.

kelly4 said:

Great idea!
That will also work to put more money in the system and help stimulate the economy.

I do think that only the men should get $1 billion...the women should only get $800,000,000.

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Nothing like a teacher who makes 10,000 times as much as you do.
Do teachers work weekends? Summers? pension? Insurance? retirement? Tenure?

Teaching is a pretty sweet job compared to a lot of jobs out there.

NoDrama said:

Nothing like a teacher who makes 10,000 times as much as you do.
Do teachers work weekends? Summers? pension? Insurance? retirement? Tenure?

Teaching is a pretty sweet job compared to a lot of jobs out there.

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Not 10,000 times as much as me, I'd go back to skool and be a teacher. Everyone would.
Everyone would be a billionaire and smart...problem solved.

NoDrama said:

If paying teachers more is directly correlated to student success, then lets pay teachers $1 billion per year and turn out millions of Einsteins a year.

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A students success has more to do with his/her first 5-6 years of life.

kelly4 said:

Not 10,000 times as much as me, I'd go back to skool and be a teacher. Everyone would.
Everyone would be a billionaire and smart...problem solved.

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Yep, you is rite. I better start mah own teechers skool right nows so I kan shows em how to be smartz.

Grandpapy said:

A students success has more to do with his/her first 5-6 years of life.

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I am being facetious, I don't actually think paying them more will produce better students I think paying them more will just give them a bigger bank account with zero effect on students. Times are tough for the nation, we all have to pull together, you don't get a pay raise on the public's dime when other people have to take unemployment and pay cuts.

NoDrama said:

Yep, you is rite. I better start mah own teechers skool right nows so I kan shows em how to be smartz.

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If you teach the teachers you should get even moar, right?
Like $1 trillion.

kelly4 said:

If you teach the teachers you should get even moar, right?
Like $1 trillion.

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Fur Shurz!

NoDrama said:

If paying teachers more is directly correlated to student success, then lets pay teachers $1 billion per year and turn out millions of Einsteins a year.

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You're being disingenuous. Teachers pay is indirectly correlated to student success, as well as many other variables you didn't factor in.

-location of school
-parents and the students home life (arguably the most important factor when considering a students ability to succeed)
-economic class (which touches on both examples above)
-each student themselves (how many kids did you know who sat side by side with you growing up and just never gave any effort for whatever reason?)
-lack of opportunity

and on and on and on...

A teacher who gets paid just enough to survive is going to be less enthusiastic about performing their job at an extraordinary level, which results in mediocre teachers and ignorant students.

A teacher who has to fight tooth and nail over basic benefits provided by their employer is going to be less enthusiastic about working for said employer, same results.

These teachers are also likely to be occupied with second jobs or other ways to provide extra income, same results.


Tenure is a huge problem, No Child Left Behind is a catastrophe. Bad teachers should be dealt with accordingly, same with good teachers. Wages should be based on performance, as should grades. Parents should not have the free range to do things like pull their kids out of science classes when the chapter on evolution comes around, if they feel that way, they should be required to home school their kid or put them in private school. Parents should not have the option to protest grades their kids receive on assignments or in the class. You get what you earn, if you want something better, do better. This coddling the kids shit is absolute bullshit that leads to retards in society. None of us want/need that.

Finally, the profession of teaching is demonized in our country for whatever reason, my guess is because it's hip to be ignorant these days. Smart people, and by association, jobs that improve collective intelligence, are looked down upon. This needs to change. Intelligence should be championed, rewarded and admired. Teachers should be viewed in our society exactly how the military is, completely fucking glorified. It should be as difficult to become a teacher as it is to become a lawyer or a doctor.

http://lockerz.com/u/20686498/decalz/7654617/daily_show_mtv_cribs_teacher_style

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-28-2011/crisis-in-dairyland---message-for-teachers

http://lockerz.com/u/19635556/decalz/8716458/the_daily_show_millionaire_s_vs_teache

Would love to hear some responses on these three clips from any of you in opposition to public school teachers

Pad showing the old guard how to rationalize

Padawanbater2 said:

You're being disingenuous. Teachers pay is indirectly correlated to student success, as well as many other variables you didn't factor in.

-location of school
-parents and the students home life (arguably the most important factor when considering a students ability to succeed)
-economic class (which touches on both examples above)
-each student themselves (how many kids did you know who sat side by side with you growing up and just never gave any effort for whatever reason?)
-lack of opportunity

and on and on and on...

A teacher who gets paid just enough to survive is going to be less enthusiastic about performing their job at an extraordinary level, which results in mediocre teachers and ignorant students.

A teacher who has to fight tooth and nail over basic benefits provided by their employer is going to be less enthusiastic about working for said employer, same results.

These teachers are also likely to be occupied with second jobs or other ways to provide extra income, same results.


Tenure is a huge problem, No Child Left Behind is a catastrophe. Bad teachers should be dealt with accordingly, same with good teachers. Wages should be based on performance, as should grades. Parents should not have the free range to do things like pull their kids out of science classes when the chapter on evolution comes around, if they feel that way, they should be required to home school their kid or put them in private school. Parents should not have the option to protest grades their kids receive on assignments or in the class. You get what you earn, if you want something better, do better. This coddling the kids shit is absolute bullshit that leads to retards in society. None of us want/need that.

Finally, the profession of teaching is demonized in our country for whatever reason, my guess is because it's hip to be ignorant these days. Smart people, and by association, jobs that improve collective intelligence, are looked down upon. This needs to change. Intelligence should be championed, rewarded and admired. Teachers should be viewed in our society exactly how the military is, completely fucking glorified. It should be as difficult to become a teacher as it is to become a lawyer or a doctor.

http://lockerz.com/u/20686498/decalz/7654617/daily_show_mtv_cribs_teacher_style

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-february-28-2011/crisis-in-dairyland---message-for-teachers

http://lockerz.com/u/19635556/decalz/8716458/the_daily_show_millionaire_s_vs_teache

Would love to hear some responses on these three clips from any of you in opposition to public school teachers

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You're using the Jon Stewart show to argue your point, really? LOL