st0wandgrow
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Can you blame him? Netanyahu totally flipped Obama off by addressing the US Congress without even asking him, and then Netanyahu was practically campaigning for Romney in 2012.
US abstains in UN vote to end Israeli settlements
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Can you blame him? Netanyahu totally flipped Obama off by addressing the US Congress without even asking him, and then Netanyahu was practically campaigning for Romney in 2012.
Unclebaldrick
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I think he might have been a true friend to Israel by snubbing Netanyahu.
SneekyNinja
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Why should any of our Presidents feel beholden to Israel?
Didn't we push the British for them to get their state, help save them from annihilation in WW2 and give them billions of dollars worth of free military hardware every year?
If anything they probably owe us a solid at this stage.
I can see the conflict from both sides but the oppressor can never be justified in his oppression.
Unclebaldrick
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Israel has been an ally for a long time. I support our allies, to a point.
Jimdamick
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I'm not picking on some Jews, I am picking on most Israeli Jews, that have chosen a PM that has publically stated there will never be a Palestine under his watch. He is the longest serving PM in the history of Israel, and has overwhelming support by the Jews in Israel, if not the world.
That's who, or what I have a problem with.
And going back to genocide, what would you call the bombing of Gaza, and the death toll of over a thousand women and children?
I call that genocide, if not outright murder.
Jimdamick
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Actually, they are mostly armed with weapons supplied by the USA, and those aren't Uzi's.
SneekyNinja
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Isn't an "alliance" generally mutually beneficial?
Jimdamick
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Ally? What the fuck have they ever done for the USA, beside putting a bulls eye on our back?
Jimdamick
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Israel doesn't want a two state solution, never did and never will. All they want is to keep the monkeys in a cage. and take every piece of land they can get away with
The US vote in the UN was the 1st good thing that the US ever did to bring a peace to that area, and Israel is no friend of anyone, like name one beside the suckers in this country?
Go ahead, name one.
st0wandgrow
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Exactly. Our blind support of Israel renders the rest of our foreign policy useless. How the fuck can we chastise other countries for human rights violations while supporting the biggest offender at the same time??
st0wandgrow
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I read an article the other day that suggested that a full 50% of Israeli citizens do not support settlements in occupied territory.
Not unlike America, the govt there isn't always representative of its citizens.
Unclebaldrick
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Scads and scads of Cold War intel. It was important.
Corso312
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Unclebaldrick
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It isn't a binary thing. There are degrees. But I have never been comfortable with it either. Too many repressive regimes under the Cold War system - and yet we now miss it's stability.
SneekyNinja
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How many billions of dollars, millions oppressed and thousands killed is "we heard..." during the cold war worth?
They were good friends of Apartheid South Africa.
Justin-case
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It's nice two know you reject the foundations that this country was founded on, real patriotic. Is that what Jesus would say?
Poor bud die, you suck at life and are a sorry excuse of a Christian.
Bugeye
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Yes, I'm still having trouble with the Christian premise of an all powerful god needing to have a son die on planet earth so those that believe can have forgiveness for their sins. Can you explain the logic of that to me?
But I am down for the presents, big fun for the kids.
Unclebaldrick
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<shrugs>