USA move closer to equality in wages

What will increasing the minimum accompish?

  • Make a lot of workers very happy, and boost the economy

  • Cost jobs and drive businesses into bankruptcy

  • Nothing

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ttystikk

ttystikk

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bluntmassa1 said:
Yeah, Walmart and McDonald's can afford that increase. But how many mom and pops businesses can? Not many unless we raise our prices.
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Dude, prove it or I'm calling you out on it.

Costs of service businesses have a higher percentage in labor but even then doubling wages does not in any way equate to a doubling of total cost.

You're pulling right wing talking points out of your ass and it's very clear you don't do any accounting.

You want to play at the big boys table, bring verifiable facts and statistics.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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GardenGnome83 said:
There can be protections for the small businesses.
If they truly need them.
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Right now, the big corporations get all sorts of breaks and subsidies that conveniently don't apply to small business.

I wonder why that never comes up on the right wing talking points? /sarcasm
 
UncleBuck

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Slipup420 said:
Interesting there Buck looks like i almost got you ready, to lose it of course the wages should go up and of course they should spike up goods and services to world market prices so approx increase of 30 - 40 percent so that raise you got actually made you worse off

As for Darth or what ever wrong guy but nice try
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so you, darth, and 2anonymous just happen to use multiple question marks and eternally misspell racist as "raciest"?

nope.

@rollitup care to weigh in on this feat of possible puppetry?
 
bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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ttystikk said:
Dude, prove it or I'm calling you out on it.

Costs of service businesses have a higher percentage in labor but even then doubling wages does not in any way equate to a doubling of total cost.

You're pulling right wing talking points out of your ass and it's very clear you don't do any accounting.

You want to play at the big boys table, bring verifiable facts and statistics.
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Only thing I said would double is cord wood since it's almost all labor. Not to mention you got some odd jobs you need help with? Well I'm going to need double. :)

Sounds like I just proved it. :bigjoint:
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Rrog said:
Exactly as we're trained when we play Monopoly. It's not enough to have some cash and properties. You can't win unless you take everything from everyone.

What a fucked up game we're all in here
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In the real world the economy is not static. The money in the bank continues to grow and new players enter the game every day.
 
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bluntmassa1 said:
Small business is alive right now you double minimum wage the corporations will eat them. Walmart will not be taken down a peg from this shit they will thrive.
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Owners of corporations are more likely out driving their hyper cars and golfing all day, whereas a small business owner with only a handful of employees is right down in the trenches working from open to close.

Companies like walmart will eat these small businesses over night if minimum wage doubled. They will continue to buy outsourced products from other countries for pennies on the dollar and sell this crap at a huge markup in their retail stores. Many Ma and Pa shops simply cannot compete with this.

All so the skill less can have their "living wage" in 40 hours a week for doing work that a fucking robot will soon be doing for them, making walmart more rich and killing more small business in the process. Few will get this magical living wage, and more will be unemployed and unable to work anywhere that can afford automation.

Small biz like mine wont see a direct effect, everyone here is paid 20+ an hour. But both businesses next door to me would be crushed by doubling minimum wage. The owners of the one shop work 6 days a week, 10+ hour days. They are slaves to their own business, and make less than 50k personal income a year for their efforts. Having to pay their two employees double would literally mean that all 4 of them are out of a job, and walmart wont be hiring because robots...
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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spandy said:
Owners of corporations are more likely out driving their hyper cars and golfing all day, whereas a small business owner with only a handful of employees is right down in the trenches working from open to close.

Companies like walmart will eat these small businesses over night if minimum wage doubled. They will continue to buy outsourced products from other countries for pennies on the dollar and sell this crap at a huge markup in their retail stores. Many Ma and Pa shops simply cannot compete with this.

All so the skill less can have their "living wage" in 40 hours a week for doing work that a fucking robot will soon be doing for them, making walmart more rich and killing more small business in the process. Few will get this magical living wage, and more will be unemployed and unable to work anywhere that can afford automation.

Small biz like mine wont see a direct effect, everyone here is paid 20+ an hour. But both businesses next door to me would be crushed by doubling minimum wage. The owners of the one shop work 6 days a week, 10+ hour days. They are slaves to their own business, and make less than 50k personal income a year for their efforts. Having to pay their two employees double would literally mean that all 4 of them are out of a job, and walmart wont be hiring because robots...
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tldr version; spandy is an idiot.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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bluntmassa1 said:
Only thing I said would double is cord wood since it's almost all labor. Not to mention you got some odd jobs you need help with? Well I'm going to need double. :)

Sounds like I just proved it. :bigjoint:
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No, there's the cost and fuel to get said wood. Also, you've managed to switch from a business calculation to personal finances, so do try to keep your comparisons straight. Marketing, inventory and transportation costs all need to be in there, but I guess you don't do any actual business accounting, so trying to discuss this intelligently with you is apparently a lost cause.

So go on voting against your own best interests, just like 85% of the rest of the Republican constituency. It's what uninformed people do before they wonder why things aren't working out for them.
 
bluntmassa1

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ttystikk said:
No, there's the cost and fuel to get said wood. Also, you've managed to switch from a business calculation to personal finances, so do try to keep your comparisons straight. Marketing, inventory and transportation costs all need to be in there, but I guess you don't do any actual business accounting, so trying to discuss this intelligently with you is apparently a lost cause.

So go on voting against your own best interests, just like 85% of the rest of the Republican constituency. It's what uninformed people do before they wonder why things aren't working out for them.
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Not much less than a gallon of gas, half gallon of sweat, a pint of blood (bugs) then there is delivery but I don't drive too far so less than $50 in oil and gas.

Labor not terrible but for double plus I need more money for myself I got a mortgage to pay yeah price will go up not double but probably because I charge less than people on Craigslist so in the winter I run out without making too little.

But you want your lawn mowed anything the price will go up. Walmart and McDonald's will stay fairly cheap and little business will go bankrupt. It sounds great but in reality when you do more than grow weed or work a dead end job it don't look great.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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bluntmassa1 said:
Not much less than a gallon of gas, half gallon of sweat, a pint of blood (bugs) then there is delivery but I don't drive too far so less than $50 in oil and gas.

Labor not terrible but for double plus I need more money for myself I got a mortgage to pay yeah price will go up not double but probably because I charge less than people on Craigslist so in the winter I run out without making too little.

But you want your lawn mowed anything the price will go up. Walmart and McDonald's will stay fairly cheap and little business will go bankrupt. It sounds great but in reality when you do more than grow weed or work a dead end job it don't look great.
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name all the businesses that have gone bankrupt due to minimum wage increases.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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bluntmassa1 said:
Not much less than a gallon of gas, half gallon of sweat, a pint of blood (bugs) then there is delivery but I don't drive too far so less than $50 in oil and gas.

Labor not terrible but for double plus I need more money for myself I got a mortgage to pay yeah price will go up not double but probably because I charge less than people on Craigslist so in the winter I run out without making too little.

But you want your lawn mowed anything the price will go up. Walmart and McDonald's will stay fairly cheap and little business will go bankrupt. It sounds great but in reality when you do more than grow weed or work a dead end job it don't look great.
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I respectfully disagree. More people will be able to afford to hire others, not fewer. This will lead to an economic boom for those not running large corporations.
 
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