Fadedawg
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A water electrolysis unit?
Vector vs Colibri/london vs Ronson vs ???
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A water electrolysis unit?
oilmkr420
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He uses that same kinda technology, except he smashes on current technologies, has professors claim that kind of results aren't possible. They bring their own test equipment to challenge his claims and he has not been proven wrong. So much speculation has got the U.S. government buying the technology. Now if you think about the symetry that iso-butane has vs a strait chain, it is a more complete combustion. Just look @ your mirror test, but go a step further and light it, there is less residue when scrapped. W a blade. Another friend does tane recycling says that power sucks, there is a grease in the recycle system left behind. He ran his unit w just tane prior to use and told me how dirty power is. So I told him its all about ronson or vector as isobutanes is the cleanest.
PJ Diaz
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OK. I have a point to make, and it's this..
You keep going on and on about how we should all do it better like you, but you never give clear step by step instructions. Where is your how-to thread?
If you aren't going to spread the knowledge, you might as well just keep all your comments to yourself.
oilmkr420
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So start double checking my knowledge, and research this ronson thing which is way old news, and find some better things in life besides n-butane. Perhaps isobutane or co2, and you guys better not be trying isopropyl. That's some wicked wacked wax, if it can be called that.
Fadedawg
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Unless your friend can explain the details of why his hypothesis are correct, using him as proof, is counterproductive and known in certain circles as the, "I know Jack Shit plaudit"
Alas, I am intimate friends with Jack Shit and he knows the truth, holds no water in critical inquiry! What does, is the scientific principles supporting the theory and test data showing the results.
Perhaps you can convince your friend to share some of those facts, so we too may be enlightened and convinced? Until then, I predict that your extraordinary statements will continue to be rejected.
Alas, I am intimate friends with Jack Shit and he knows the truth, holds no water in critical inquiry! What does, is the scientific principles supporting the theory and test data showing the results.
Perhaps you can convince your friend to share some of those facts, so we too may be enlightened and convinced? Until then, I predict that your extraordinary statements will continue to be rejected.
Fadedawg
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A good point to use your sugar instead of vinegar to draw us flies. Continuing to throw vinegar on other processes, rather than sharing the positive details of your process, only serves to alienate folks. If your goal is enlightenment, might I suggest that you post the details of your process and regale us with its goodness instead?
I suggest that for you to do otherwise, comes across as support for PT Barnums observation that, "The harder the sell, the poorer the product."
I suggest that for you to do otherwise, comes across as support for PT Barnums observation that, "The harder the sell, the poorer the product."
Fadedawg
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I have used a cheap CPS VP-6S for several years, and now also have a Robinaire 15500 about a year old, that is still doing well.
We have a glass desiccator from American Scientific, but will probably build our next one using a heavy duty stock pot or pressure cooker, and a Lexan lid, similar to the ones they use to degas epoxy castings. That will allow us to heat the pot from the outside, where we have to use an internal hotplate with our current glass chamber.
We have a glass desiccator from American Scientific, but will probably build our next one using a heavy duty stock pot or pressure cooker, and a Lexan lid, similar to the ones they use to degas epoxy castings. That will allow us to heat the pot from the outside, where we have to use an internal hotplate with our current glass chamber.
Fadedawg
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Thank you for your financial insight and advice bro. Are you also an investment broker?
If I call Eden Labs to verify their adulation of you, which pro should I ask for and for whom am I asking for references?
Fadedawg
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Nope, got all the investment brokers that I can use calling me regularly with advice and council, but thanks for the thought!
For how long did they run the sample and how much CO2 exchange? Do you have a contact at Eden labs that you recommend talking to?
oilmkr420
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No idea how long it was ran, the conditions the extract wassubjected to is all I have to work w. I am steering potential customers from eden. There are two prospecting to buy units from me instead. According to these brokers, I have more information on the subject as Eden Labs claimed I could not do what I did. So I pulled crystalline powder from the matrix using only water and co2. So its not like I'm working w them, but against them. AC Braddock, Roger, or Rory have had contact w me. Better luck inquiring about the reference number on the extract. So yes I bat w the big boys, son! When you stick out like a sore thumb, you will get noticed!
oilmkr420
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According to what you posted, its really bernzomatic w the best looking msds. W a whopping 78% isobutane, that's a super high content of clean. Ronson used n-butane as a filler of 50% or so, isobutane @ 24% and the rest propane. So bernz gives clean like the plauge. Thanks for the post and to A/B test the two under identical seperate batches and then examine.
Hey guys. just wondering what the best butane out there is.
I remember one time I got a hold of a few cans of ronson butane.. man did it ever make some delicious looking oil like ive never seen before. its funny because I was searching, and this pretty much confirmed, that ronson butane is pretty good.
all the head shops EVER sell here is colibri/london for 6$ a can which apparently has 22% propane, where as vector has 11%, and ronson has 0%
I know that the bernz o matic stuff sucks, it stinks and has a scent in it. I imagine it would fail the mirror test.
cheap stuff NIBO is available at walmart for like 3 or 4$ a can.
Ronson can be found at canadian tire I think it is. I am going to get some tomorrow and run a few tests.
Vector Butane:
http://www.vectorkgm.com/catalog/but...r_Gas_MSDS.pdf
SECTION II- Summary of Hazards & Composition
SUBSTANCE: Butane Percent: 60.00
CAS#: 106-87-8 Synonyms: n-Butane, Tetrane
SUBSTANCE: iso-Butane Percent: 29.00
CAS#: 75-28-5 Synonyms: 2-Methylpropane, Trlmethylethane
SUBSTANCE: Propane Percent: 11.00
CAS#: 75-98-6 Synonyms: LPG, Dimethylmethane, Propylhydride
EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE! Keep away from heat, sparks and open flame.
Propane 11%??? I really couldn't believe it, so I searched Ronson to see what their Propane content, and other crappy ingredients were.
Ronson Butane:
http://www.gpsidental.com/uploads/fi...May 2000.pdf
Ingredient Name CAS No Contents Health Risk
(class) (R No.)
Butane 106 - 97 - 8 99%
Composition Comments Substances indicating a hazard do so under EC Directives 88/379 & 67/548
Aerosol classified as Flammable
Wow, 99% butane. No Propane, no ethyl mercaptans. But there's a 1% of something not listed that apparently isn't deemed hazardous, but I figured could be some kind of contaminant so I continued my search.
BernzOmatic Butane:
http://www.bernzomatic.com/Portals/8...SDS-082010.pdf
Hazardous Components
N,Butane, volume (CAS #106-97-22%
Isobutane, volume (CAS #75-28-5) 78%
Ok, so I've found a brand that has 100% butane/isobutane and I'm nervous, but feel confident enough to maybe try it. At least get one can and do the mirror test.
But let me just look up Colibri, which used to be the 'flavor of the month' brand of tane back when BHO first started taking off and I know I could get it from a Cigar shop, but it's about 15 minutes further than the bernzO out of my way.
Colibri Butane:
http://www.action-electronics.com/msds/224.pdf
Hazardous Components (Specific Chemical Identity)
Common Name CAS# %
Butane 106-97-8 78%
Propane 74-98-6 22%
oilmkr420
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My vessels vary to customer needs. The rating vary from customer to customer. A vessel is awaiting its owners course before it can leave my care and have me worry free about them using it safely. I had not sold it once before as they were incompitant after a few days of use, it felt a large liability so I told them that the offer only comes after thorough understanding and physically fit is also another qualifying section. Certain things must be so, and anyone not able to perform the needed tasks was not a marginal entery unless they could have a replacement I trained. Usually the work done is in the 3-10,000psi area.
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