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DST said:

I tend to pot up more than you have done Jig. Perhaps it's becuase you put the clones into those large bags before you had a decent root ball developed. I have found when putting small plants into larger pots they tend not to perform as well as the ones I had gradually built up their pot size. May not be the case, but a suggestions. The Sour D will explode in 12/12 I reckon. But for me I would still be veggin a bit more. Perhaps watering more often with smaller amounts....

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I am planning on doing the up pot thing next time. In fact I think the little ones in the cups are getting ready to be put into new containers soon. We'll put them in maybe 1 gallon pots. I agree about the S.D. blowing up... that's kinda why I'm thinking of flipping soon. I'm having images of stems stretchng all around the closet. Like a giant spider crammed in there. You reckon another week or two?

Don Gin and Ton said:

Cover the base of the stalks with something lightproof will make the root branches at the top of the bags branch out. Top few inches are penetrated by light easy. Especially with that big 1k. Just watch for moisture build up. So in an ideal world light proof yet breathable.

Gortex root bags you heard it hear first! Lol

Too non breathable for the full bag is wager tho.

If its any consolation my clone game has gone to shit. I need a sure fire solution. Think my environment management isn't up to par. I'm slippin.

Stay up big poppa

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Thanks donny. I wanted to apologize in advance if the Spurs beat your boys in the Europa final. A good show at home and we're both in the final 8. I know it's still early, but I don't think there's any relegation worry. I'm sure you'll be holding your breath till it's a lock though.

I'll make up some felt covers for the pots. lol... gortex grow bags. You know that's going to be a huge product someday. You'll be pointing to this post trying to claim a slice of the credit.

colocowboy said:

It looks like your canopy temps are high, they look heat stressed to me. My theory is that your hydro was evaporating far more water and humidity compensates high temperatures. Do you know what your leaf surface temps are?

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I think you may be onto something with the humidity. I don't think the heat is too much... it should be something around 78-80 during the day. Not the coolest, but not too bad either. But I think the lower humidity is doing something to them. I had a chart somewhere.... talked about vapor something. It was talking about temps and humidity and how the plants need a good balance. I forget if it needed more humidity the higher the temps. I'll look for it.

But I think that may be a big part, not having all that water in there. I put the humidifier in there... should moisten it up.

Thanks for that. And good to see you posting brother. I missed seeing your name.

TrynaGroSumShyt said:

Only 1 Tsp Kelp meal? Liquid or Powdered or Natural/Crushed? I use 1tbsp/g or the dry crushhed stuff, and 1/2 tbsp/g of liquid kelp meal. I have never used humus in tea, i read in a few places to add humus to the soil instead. Also i don't even measure castings anymore but when i did i believe it was 10 tbsp for 5 gallons so that 2 tbsp/g of castings. And its ok Jig, i waster all my girls an average of every 5-6 days sometimes longer. When using synthetics i was watering every 3 days. i think organics takes a while longer to begin uptake? but i'm not sure at all.

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The Kelp Meal is granulated stuff. I seriously have no idea what I'm doing with making tea... basically what I did was go out and look at all the stuff I had in the soil section of the deck. Pulled out everything I thought would go into a tea. Left out blood meal, and epsom salts... stuff like that. Brought in the Kelp, the poops, and the humus. Then I just searched RIU for what amounts people use of each.

Also, I just tossed everything in the mix this time... no old sock. HAHAHA. Not that again.

genuity said:

could just be your clones jig,just may not be as vigorus,as f1 seeds thats all.

a plant trying to fill them big pots,will show slow growth,till roots take a strong hold of things.

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I like the way you think bro. I like the idea that it is partly to do with the plants. I'm excited to see how the roots look when the grow is all said and done.

Bobotrank said:

I agree with D-S-T... less water, more often. That tea should really help them take off, though. I'd maybe give them the smallest little drink of fresh water first, let them sit 20-30 min, and then water them with the tea. Then cut some of that tea in half and foliar spray with it.

I've found that if I break up my watering over the course of an hour my plants seem to like it better. I can't always do this, but when I can I do. Also, Alaskan Humus is just another form of EWC I do believe, albeit a bit hotter. I think Whodat told me that, but I was stoned, so...

If you want to give those plants an extra little push... I have a dirty secret for you, and it rhymes with Roots Accelerator. That's how I got my last plants to turn around so fast this last round. I felt like I was cheating somehow, but I could literally see the difference in a day. My root mass when I emptied out my 7 gallon smart pots was SOLID roots... It'll only take 1-2 waterings and you should be rrrrripping! Just my 2 cents. Take it or leave it brotha!

Hope you're having a good Friday, Jig. Just drinking this coffee, enjoying quiet time before mom and the mini awake.

HHB HHB HHB

edit: btw, T, you're absolutely right about watering frequency going up when using synthetics vs organics. With organics and biodynamics you use less water overall. I've seen outdoor gardens that hadn't been watered in months that looked like grand prize winners at the county fair. All because of compost teas early on, and a strong soil colony.

edit edit: Jig, was just thinking... do you "fluff" your soil at all? With my smart pots I'll pull them out and kinda massage the pot a little bit to help break up the soil, allowing more air flow in there. I find that if I feel like the plants aren't taking up the water as quickly as I'd like them to, this helps to dry out the root zone a little bit.

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Comin though with all the help in the world. Thanks so much brobo. I'll water them nice and slow. I got all the time in the world. And I'll give them a prep bit too.

I got me one of those $80 bottles of R.E. I should put the shit to use. Thanks for the reminder. And to think it might actually help things as well. I seriously forgot I had the stuff. I can't tell you how awesome of a reminder that is.

I don't know anything about the ancient forest... like I wrote above I just googled - site:rollitup.org ancient forest tea. Someone said 'throw a handful' in your tea. So I did. lol

And about messing with the soil... I had thought of that and actually did it a tiny bit before. My pots will totally allow me to do that. I'll give it a go. But I'm not calling it 'fluffing'... just got an aversion to that. lol

My friends wife had a cat and named it Fluffer. I probably shouldn't have told wife what a fluffer was. She told friend and kitty got a new name.

No sweat!

Yeah, fluffing felt weird to type. Very weird.

I think we were discussing the ancient hummus awhile back maybe?

For a test I've been way overwatering my soil plants but I hit the base with a shop vac for about 10 seconds afterwards. Don't ask me why I'm doing it, but it isn't hurting anything!

I love the unconvention you are always up to chaka.

Bassman... you slipped your comment in on me. I can't really water on the edges with these pots... the water will literally run through them and there will be a little steam of water running down the side of the pot.

And I don't think it was here we were discussing the ancient forest. Was another thread I think... I remember it though. It's somewhere.

Happy Birthday Jig! I'm back on the mountain bro to go back to school, this fucking snow today is wild! Totally got me out of a Math Exam ;D

You looking for a digi, I have at least 4 digi ballasts. Lemme know if you need to borrow one for a grow. I have an extra 600w Phantom you can hold onto a bit if you don't mind sending it in for service first.

Bobotrank said:

edit: btw, T, you're absolutely right about watering frequency going up when using synthetics vs organics. With organics and biodynamics you use less water overall. I've seen outdoor gardens that hadn't been watered in months that looked like grand prize winners at the county fair. All because of compost teas early on, and a strong soil colony.

edit edit: Jig, was just thinking... do you "fluff" your soil at all? With my smart pots I'll pull them out and kinda massage the pot a little bit to help break up the soil, allowing more air flow in there. I find that if I feel like the plants aren't taking up the water as quickly as I'd like them to, this helps to dry out the root zone a little bit.

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I "fluff" mine aswell but ussually right before i water. Jig do you use Myco's? They may help speed things up, allong with some sort of root product like bobo said. He recommended Roots Accelerator, but i recommend Hygrozyme lol. Even though i have been using AN's Sensizyme with nowhere near the same results.

The Kelp Meal is granulated stuff. I seriously have no idea what I'm doing with making tea... basically what I did was go out and look at all the stuff I had in the soil section of the deck. Pulled out everything I thought would go into a tea. Left out blood meal, and epsom salts... stuff like that. Brought in the Kelp, the poops, and the humus. Then I just searched RIU for what amounts people use of each.

Also, I just tossed everything in the mix this time... no old sock. HAHAHA. Not that again.

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Lol, i just use a knee high stocking but i have cut up many of my ladies stockings. I didnt use a stocking this time. I just threw it in. It probably doesnt matter the amount of stuff you add because the herd multiplies so fast, just keep 'em fed i guess.
Im sure they will get going for you, you do have a helluva green thumb.

jigfresh said:

Thanks donny. I wanted to apologize in advance if the Spurs beat your boys in the Europa final. A good show at home and we're both in the final 8. I know it's still early, but I don't think there's any relegation worry. I'm sure you'll be holding your breath till it's a lock though.

I'll make up some felt covers for the pots. lol... gortex grow bags. You know that's going to be a huge product someday. You'll be pointing to this post trying to claim a slice of the credit.

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hahahaha spurs beat Le Toon, you trippin! our new french lads will walk it, probably casually with a ciggie hanging out the corner of their Parisien mouths. pipe dreams mate, we're not going to get that far, or we will get to the final, play the best 90 minutes we've played since we won a trophy 200 years ago and still lose. it's newcastle we're talking here.

you'll smash liverpool, they're for the taking at the moment. fulham will be a handful for you. are for anyone.

lmao at fluffer the cat.

Just stopping in to say hi, caught up on the last couple pages of tea talk, and you guys fluffing each other, lol. Don't really have much to add other then I like the idea of potting up. I did it with my soil girls, and I kinda do it with my current setup. I start all my clones off in my beer cups for a couple weeks after the clones get roots. They don't grow upwards a whole lot because I don't have tons of light over them or feed them a bunch. But they build a nice strong root system that fills the cup. Then when I put them into flower they have a strong base to hold them into the pot before spreading their roots through out it. Usually when I cut plants I can only recover about 50-70% of my media since the roots are so tightly packed around it. Any way my point is that I think the up potting makes the plant use the space they are in more efficiently before expanding outwards.

Lol, fluffing each other. Look what I've started!

edit: T, I used to use Hygrozyme back in the day (back before I "really" started growing). I had no idea it was for root growth as much... thought it was just bennies munching on dead root matter or something... which, now that I think of it, would probably produce... wait for it... root food. I'm a genius. And you wonder why I have problems with this stuff, lmfao.

I've been wanting to try the hygrozime at some point just havn't gotten around to it. I've been using some h2o2 for a couple years and my roots always seem happy and healthy but I'm always open to things that might work better.

The plants loved their spa day yesterday. All of them have grown at least a half inch all the way around in the past 24 hours. The one with the color change action still looks a bit under 100%... but the other two, plus the 3 little ones are as happy as can be.

Glad to hear you are back on the mountain jozi.

Great growth!

What the hell is going on in here lol Damn dirty bunch of fluffers!


Edit: yeah its good to see ya around Jozzy!

Ditto that remark, nice to see you around Jozi.

Bobo did it. LOL.

Only thing going on round here is some music blaring, sewing machine ripping, mj plant growth exploding, bubbler smoking, tea drinking, bath taking, sports watching, and typing up a storm in between the others.

BC... You are in a really good place up there. I can feel it from here. I know it sounds odd, but I can feel the energy from your posts and it feels relaxed and happy. I'm real glad for you brother. And it's cool as fuck I have a friend near Seattle now. And even better you're not in seattle. My town has about 2,000 too. It's a nice size.

Thanks bro! I AM super happy. It is so different out here. Everyone is nice, everything moves a lot slower, the air is clean, and I am surrounded by at least a million trees it feels like. We have been been checking out the housing market, and it is looking very nice for what i want. 3br 2 bath house on 2 acres is running around 50-80 thousand. Just gotta save for a down payment

Dont do all of those at the same time lol

That sounds great Bill happy for you!

Hows the baby coming along? How much longer till you get to see the sex?

May I offer a suggestion, if you haven't already thought about it, you should take the wifey to get a 4d ultrasound done. It is one of the coolest things ever, and completely different than the standard ultrasound they do at the dr.

whodatnation said:

Dont do all of those at the same time lol

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Thanks i just got a mental image of jig in the bath sewing his wife a dress.

question is, how does he operate the foot pedal without shocking himself, lmao