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7xstall said:

Robert E. Lee was far from being a racist. there is too much historical fact for me to post in this thread about it, but, the real racists were fighting against Lee and the Confederacy that he defended.

i don't want to hijack this thread so just PM me if you're ready to come to terms with what the war of northern aggression was really about. i'll be glad to help.


"This war is not about slavery." - Robert E. Lee







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Sounds interesting, I think you should start a thread about this. I promise I won't bash it either. I don't know much about what your talking of but you may be correct. Lincoln didn't start the civil war to free the slaves, like most ppl think, that was just a secondary goal b/c northerners were pushing him for it.

7xstall said:

you know what, if the farmers in Cali built their industry on the backs of criminals that's their problem, let it collapse! undocumented, criminal workers use all the same systems that legal citizens use. last i checked they go to emergency rooms (often), they use our roads, they send their kids to our schools and deplete extra resources because their parents don't even try to help with speaking English, they certainly make use of our criminal justice system.

close the border, keep the criminals out! severely punish the criminals who hire the alien criminals!!

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So when there is no produce on the shelves, what then? I pose this question to people every time they tell me that our country can't afford illegal aliens..

Will you pay 10 dollars for a tomato?

7xstall said:

you know what, if the farmers in Cali built their industry on the backs of criminals that's their problem, let it collapse! undocumented, criminal workers use all the same systems that legal citizens use. last i checked they go to emergency rooms (often), they use our roads, they send their kids to our schools and deplete extra resources because their parents don't even try to help with speaking English, they certainly make use of our criminal justice system.

close the border, keep the criminals out! severely punish the criminals who hire the alien criminals!!






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Naw screw that. I can see your guys' points but I love diversity. Latinas are where it's at. Were are the beautiful hispanic women going to come from if we kick out half the hispanic population? Sure they cause problems, but trust me it's not as bad u guys make it sound. And they do a lot of things to help society, Like busting there ass at low-paying jobs no American would want and creating beautiful spanish girls

iblazethatkush said:

Sounds interesting, I think you should start a thread about this. I promise I won't bash it either. I don't know much about what your thinking of but you may be correct. Lincoln didn't start the civil war to free the slaves, like most ppl think, that was just a secondary goal b/c northerners were pushing him for it.

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lincoln lived up to his reputation and was quite honest about what he thought of blacks. he thought they were inferior and were only good for votes (to his party) and generating tax revenue - those were the only two factors that mattered to him and, again, his own words make this clear. (see sig)

also, northerners were in no way "pushing" for an end to slavery. those pages of your federal history books are pure fiction. if there was any push for the end of slavery in the north the emancipation proclamation would have been written, or at least thought of, prior to the start of the war - not halfway through.

it might make a good thread, i'd love to see some yankees waive the Confederate flag once they know what it REALLY means! it's not a racist symbol and it never will be.






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dankie said:

Will you pay 10 dollars for a tomato?

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yes. i also grow my own and would be happy to give some away to those who couldn't afford the $10 ones.





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iblazethatkush said:

Naw screw that. I can see your guys' points but I love diversity. Latinas are where it's at. Were are the beautiful hispanic women going to come from if we kick out half the hispanic population? Sure they cause problems, but trust me it's not as bad u guys make it sound. And they do a lot of things to help society, Like busting there ass at low-paying jobs no American would want and creating beautiful spanish girls

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legal diversity is a great thing. a criminal underworld of diversity should be destroyed.

also, to the "no American would do that" idea, if there really was a shortage we could easily up the numbers for LEGAL immigration. let's see what's left after we remove all the criminals, we might have plenty of citizens willing to do the work already.






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dankie said:

So when there is no produce on the shelves, what then? I pose this question to people every time they tell me that our country can't afford illegal aliens..

Will you pay 10 dollars for a tomato?

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i see you amended your hypothetical.

when there is no produce on the shelves i'll laugh at all the criminal farmers who employ the criminal aliens and i'll demand that my representatives not subsidize one cent of their failing businesses with my tax money. purge the system, it's good for the market.





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7xstall said:

legal diversity is a great thing. a criminal underworld of diversity should be destroyed.

also, to the "no American would do that" idea, if there really was a shortage we could easily up the numbers for LEGAL immigration. let's see what's left after we remove all the criminals, we might have plenty of citizens willing to do the work already.
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Well im sure you are an expert on all things agricultural since you grow some tomatos, and mnybe some other leafy vegetables, but lets here what the people who own the farms say:

During the peak of the season, farms in Yuma County need 30,000 temporary workers a day, he said. The entire county's population is about 160,000, according to the 2000 census.
Last fall, even though there were willing workers just across the border in Mexico, the Pasquinelli farm and others like it in Arizona and California faced manpower shortages. The situation continues, caused by an insufficient number of visas being available for temporary workers and recent immigration enforcement efforts, Deacon Muthart said.
"Once upon a time the workforce was able to move freely back and forth," he said. "Then it got tighter."
Though most of the area's farm laborers live close enough to go home to Mexico at the end of the workday, they still need permits to legally work in the United States.
Employers nationwide estimate that about 500,000 immigrant workers are needed for low-skilled and unskilled jobs such as those in agriculture. The federal government issues just 5,000 visas a year for unskilled workers.

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i see you amended your hypothetical.

when there is no produce on the shelves i'll laugh at all the criminal farmers who employ the criminal aliens and i'll demand that my representatives not subsidize one cent of their failing businesses with my tax money. purge the system, it's good for the market.





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I amended it, because I had actually typed inside of your quote.

7xstall said:

i see you amended your hypothetical.

when there is no produce on the shelves i'll laugh at all the criminal farmers who employ the criminal aliens and i'll demand that my representatives not subsidize one cent of their failing businesses with my tax money. purge the system, it's good for the market.





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That is fine, and when 40% of the United States is starving or we are increasing our trade deficet because we have to import more food then what?

7xstall said:

legal diversity is a great thing. a criminal underworld of diversity should be destroyed.

also, to the "no American would do that" idea, if there really was a shortage we could easily up the numbers for LEGAL immigration. let's see what's left after we remove all the criminals, we might have plenty of citizens willing to do the work already.






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Damn U 7. U always make a lot of sense, it makes me almost want to agree with u. -lol- U must be the smartest redneck in the whole world haha

(just joking about that last part lol)

We had a very functional system in the 40s and 50s called The Brassero Program. Under this program, Mexican farm workers were brought up to work the fields. Once the harvest was brought in, they were sent back. At the time, tomatoes were around ten-cents a pound. ~lol~

Oh, and I forgot to mention ... American teenagers worked the fields too. From what I see around me, it wouldn't hurt to put some of them back out there now.

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ViRedd said:

We had a very functional system in the 40s and 50s called The Brassero Program. Under this program, Mexican farm workers were brought up to work the fields. Once the harvest was brought in, they were sent back. At the time, tomatoes were around ten-cents a pound. ~lol~

Oh, and I forgot to mention ... American teenagers worked the fields too. From what I see around me, it wouldn't hurt to put some of them back out there now.

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Yeah great idea Vi. And then we should also bring back slavery and force slaves to work the fields. Can you imagine tomatoes would be like 5-cents a pound. I like it

ViRedd said:

We had a very functional system in the 40s and 50s called The Brassero Program. Under this program, Mexican farm workers were brought up to work the fields. Once the harvest was brought in, they were sent back. At the time, tomatoes were around ten-cents a pound. ~lol~

Oh, and I forgot to mention ... American teenagers worked the fields too. From what I see around me, it wouldn't hurt to put some of them back out there now.

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I agree that was a wonderful system, and if you hear the old timers in LA talk about it, it was one of the best times of their lives.

That program also had a path to citizenship.

I agree more of these American teenagers should be doing some hard labor to earn there keep. Too many of them are of the impression that the work is below them.

Times have changed most US citizens now live far from the fields. We are an urban society.

iblazethatkush said:

Yeah great idea Vi. And then we should also bring back slavery and force slaves to work the fields. Can you imagine tomatoes would be like 5-cents a pound. I like it

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you know blaze i think you are preoccupied with thinking everyone is a racist

either way isnt the fall of a great thing inevitable?


- viva viagra bitches

mockingbird131313 said:

I think the suit looks nice, but Butch forgot to wear a tie again.

Where I live an illegal immigrant was just "captured?" after he drove an SUV through an outdoor cafe'. This was at least the third time he had entered the USA illegally.

This band of suits needs to focus on a simple plan to remove illegals permanently. Who will pay the medical bills of the injured and what about the loss of life? How are the survivors supposed to carry on?

While I'm at it, how did this snooty dyke convince New Yorkers she was from there anyway? Last I heard she was born in Illinois and shacked up with Bubba down in Arkansas. Does that qualify as residency in New York?

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if he wasn't kicked out the first time, the NEXT 2 times would not have happened..

is anybody familiar with this logic?

Is it more important to be right..? or is it more important to be happy and have peace...

This is your life... don;t waste it trying to PUSH other people around while making yourself miserable... LOVING people is so easy and so safe..

iloveyou

IS anything in your post TRUE..? ANYTHING??

have you typed anything that is absolutely true?

Garden Knowm said:

if he wasn't kicked out the first time, the NEXT 2 times would not have happened..

is anybody familiar with this logic?

Is it more important to be right..? or is it more important to be happy and have peace...

This is your life... don;t waste it trying to PUSH other people around while making yourself miserable... LOVING people is so easy and so safe..

iloveyou

IS anything in your post TRUE..? ANYTHING??

have you typed anything that is absolutely true?

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the truth is in the pudding i heard. now i heard about a new drug on the news that kids are using called jenkem or somthing like that. its the act of huffing fermented shit and piss and makes you trip for like an hour

so i shat in a bottle then pissed in it shook it up and put a balloon on top, the ballon is almost full, anyone wanna come over and try this with me?

New Drug Alert! - November 5, 2007

pandabear said:

well i was just watching the news and some peeps saying that she held her own pretty well considering all the people on the stage and even the anouncers were grilling her. i still fear her non the less, i fear them all just need one in there that is for real and not fake. obama seems pretty real, guliani seems pretty real, edwards seems fake, hillary seems fake, romy seems kinda fake but he hide it well, ron paul is a moron, mcain aint gettin it but he real, richerdson is fake and i think he is there to help clinton somhow not sure whats going on there, and biden is an asshole and this coming from a guy who used to like him

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this post seems really fake to me...? is it fake? or is it real?


ahahah --- c'mon bro...


YOU FEAR HILLARY?


what else do you fear? what is fear? what does fear manifest? who would you be, if you NEVER feared anything? can you get rid of your fear from within?


Would you rather have a president that can rework his or her thoughts ... or do you want some shmuck that stands BY their word even when they realized they are wrong...

Doesn't the truth mean anything?

Aren't people allowed to reconsider... Hillary's only fault was that she was unable to say... "HEY I'm not sure on this issue" or something along those lines...

THE ONLY problem with BUSH is that HE thinks he knows something.. he thinks he is right .. he thinks he is CORRECT...

we need a person who is open minded and can really look at the issues without bringing their ideals and illusions to the table... to see the sitauion for what it is...

JUST like YOUR fear... you should try seeing where that emanates from.. the origins of fear are NOT in the outside world... look inside.. set yourself free from the PACK...

iloveyou