Vote NO !! and here is why!!

What Makes sense?

DECRIMINALIZATION! Not taxation for profit and fiscal Irresponsibility

GanjaAL said:

You may grow a qp but you are only allowed to have no more than an ounce on you at a time. Sorry but your limits and such go out the window. Again sir read the law. You will not be able to grow your own unless you have a plant that only cranks out an oz or less.

Vote no and read the bill.

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BULLSHIT

firstly, you are allowed 'affirmative defense'. so technically, you can have all that you can reasonably argue is for your own personal consumption. right in the bill. READ IT!

secondly, your 5x5 space may include living AND harvested plants, and will only be assessed by square footage, NOT by weight. this means you can dry and cure your weed in excess of 1 oz, and store it within your allowed space. when your 1oz stash runs low, just replenish with your stored weed. simple as pie. it is right in the bill, READ IT!

finally, if you absolutely need more, go get a medical license. nothing in this law infringes upon your medical rights. this bill does not eliminate prop 215 or sb420....why would cities be lining up different tax rates for medical vs recreational if what you claim is true? that is not in the bill, READ IT!

TokinPodPilot said:

It's already legalized. This bill puts more laws on the books, increases restrictions and will result in an increase in arrests. Just for those reasons alone, anyone who votes for this is the real selfish dick. You want your personal ounce and are willing to cut and run on those who've already been incarcerated and to sacrifice more to come to get it.

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i don't understand how legalizing cannabis is an insult to those who have bee incarcerated for it. isn't cali already releasing prisoners due to budget shortfalls and prison overcrowding? legalizing cannabis would be a great step towards getting a lot of others released.

UncleBuck said:

BULLSHIT

firstly, you are allowed 'affirmative defense'. so technically, you can have all that you can reasonably argue is for your own personal consumption. right in the bill. READ IT!

secondly, your 5x5 space may include living AND harvested plants, and will only be assessed by square footage, NOT by weight. this means you can dry and cure your weed in excess of 1 oz, and store it within your allowed space. when your 1oz stash runs low, just replenish with your stored weed. simple as pie. it is right in the bill, READ IT!

finally, if you absolutely need more, go get a medical license. nothing in this law infringes upon your medical rights. this bill does not eliminate prop 215 or sb420....why would cities be lining up different tax rates for medical vs recreational if what you claim is true? that is not in the bill, READ IT!

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what if i dont want to hold it in my grow area? what if im only growing outdoors? should i hang the plants up where they were planted?
affirmative defense doesnt mean much. when u go to court, it depends on the judge. so sometimes u will get away with it, other times they crack down hard on u. leaving it open to that much interpretation could mean a lot of trouble for us tokers

UncleBuck said:

i don't understand how legalizing cannabis is an insult to those who have bee incarcerated for it. isn't cali already releasing prisoners due to budget shortfalls and prison overcrowding? legalizing cannabis would be a great step towards getting a lot of others released.

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just because its now legal, doesnt mean the prisoners will be released. they still committed a crime. it doesnt say anything about previous convictions

NeOgRa said:

Read This People

http://networkedblogs.com/5ZvJF

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im pretty sure they would still have probable cause for DWI

UncleBuck said:

i don't understand how legalizing cannabis is an insult to those who have bee incarcerated for it. isn't cali already releasing prisoners due to budget shortfalls and prison overcrowding? legalizing cannabis would be a great step towards getting a lot of others released.

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And this ignorance is what happens when you let yourself be led by Wikipedia.

TokinPodPilot said:

And this ignorance is what happens when you let yourself be led by Wikipedia.

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dude, you're going to have to explain to me how i am ignorant. i really don't get it. you can assert that i am ignorant all day (against board rules) and assert that i do nothing but read wikipedia (which i don't), but it does not make it true.

which will be a worse scenario for those is prison due to cannabis: the passage of a law that legalizes cannabis for all adults 21+, or the most socially liberal state in the nation stamping its seal of disapproval said cannabis legalization?

please explain to me why you falsely believe that i am ignorant. i get my info from the verbiage of the bill.

Luger187 said:

what if i dont want to hold it in my grow area? what if im only growing outdoors? should i hang the plants up where they were planted?

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then get a medical license. 25 sq ft is enough space to pump out pounds. if pounds isn't enough for you, it means you are either an abusive addict or need it medicinally.

Luger187 said:

affirmative defense doesnt mean much. when u go to court, it depends on the judge. so sometimes u will get away with it, other times they crack down hard on u. leaving it open to that much interpretation could mean a lot of trouble for us tokers

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affirmative defense means everything. the only way you would lose an affirmative defense is if you had pounds of weed lying right next to a scale, baggies, and a thousand dollars in wrinkly $20 bills. otherwise, it is just your weed that you use for yourself and who is to say otherwise?

UncleBuck said:

then get a medical license. 25 sq ft is enough space to pump out pounds. if pounds isn't enough for you, it means you are either an abusive addict or need it medicinally.



affirmative defense means everything. the only way you would lose an affirmative defense is if you had pounds of weed lying right next to a scale, baggies, and a thousand dollars in wrinkly $20 bills. otherwise, it is just your weed that you use for yourself and who is to say otherwise?

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some asshole cop?

raverguy said:

some asshole cop?

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not without the actual physical evidence.

how is he going to get into your home once this bill passes? the smell of weed, leaves in your trash, ir signatures, visible paraphernelia are no longer reasonable suspicion for a search as it would be LEGAL.

and can't some asshole cop do this anyway nowadays, leaving you without an affirmative defense argument? no matter how you slice the pie here, it is still a step forward.

UncleBuck said:

i don't understand how legalizing cannabis is an insult to those who have bee incarcerated for it. isn't cali already releasing prisoners due to budget shortfalls and prison overcrowding? legalizing cannabis would be a great step towards getting a lot of others released.

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Where in this bill is there anything at all about getting anyone released? All there really is, is a whole lot of opportunities to put people in jail under circumstances that under current law only result in a small fine and a ticket.

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/62

Prison populations are not decreasing, nor have they.... EVER. You can lead a horse to water.....

UncleBuck said:

dude, you're going to have to explain to me how i am ignorant. i really don't get it. you can assert that i am ignorant all day (against board rules) and assert that i do nothing but read wikipedia (which i don't), but it does not make it true.

which will be a worse scenario for those is prison due to cannabis: the passage of a law that legalizes cannabis for all adults 21+, or the most socially liberal state in the nation stamping its seal of disapproval said cannabis legalization?

please explain to me why you falsely believe that i am ignorant. i get my info from the verbiage of the bill.

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You're ignorant because you're obviously not in California. This is worse than armchair-quarterbacking. At least, they have some idea of what the rules of the game are. You don't. Go and fix/ruin your own state.

TokinPodPilot said:

You're ignorant because you're obviously not in California. This is worse than armchair-quarterbacking. At least, they have some idea of what the rules of the game are. You don't. Go and fix/ruin your own state.

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anyone not from cali is ignorant? do you need to be from cali to read and decipher a bill cali wrote? or to see the positve message it would send to the rest of the country?

sorry, this is pure FAIL

you are not good at explaining things, and you obviously feel you are above board rules. my message to you is (1) calm down, skippy and (2) try again at explainingwhy i am ignorant, using the verbiage in the bill to explain why i am so far off base. your move, sir

looks like rollitup has a new crackerjax

TokinPodPilot said:

Where in this bill is there anything at all about getting anyone released? All there really is, is a whole lot of opportunities to put people in jail under circumstances that under current law only result in a small fine and a ticket.

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/62

Prison populations are not decreasing, nor have they.... EVER. You can lead a horse to water.....

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did i say there was anything in this bill about releasing canabis prisoners? FAIL

did i say passing this sends a better message than rejecting it? uhhh, yes i did. go back and read it.

is california really not releasing inmantes? http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/11/local/la-me-early-release11-2010feb11 you FAIL yet again. hardly surprising.


tell me, good sir, what specific circumstances will get people arrested that before just called for a fine or ticket. that way we can cut to the chase of whatever you are talking about in specifics.

Keenly2 said:

looks like rollitup has a new crackerjax

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i was just thinking the same thing. he admits to being a troll. i think i'll simply ban him.

things are so much nicer when we can actually debate without the name calling BS. after a few trouble makers were dealt with things around here were going really well. looks like the trash is about full again.

You obviously didn't read that article. A law that was intended to speed up the parole process for those incarcerated for low-priority crimes, such as non-violent drug offenders, was used by local law enforcement jurisdictions to release criminals being held in county facilities, many of which were violent offenders and/or worse. Since I live here, I remember this incident quite clearly and I also remember all the follow-up on what a massive misinterpretation of law this was. An even more relevant point is that this misinterpretation was enacted by law enforcement officials. I'm sure by November, they'll be so much better at interpreting ambiguous law. And therein lies the real point. You keep trying to point to bits and pieces of this bill and pretend that they're gems of wisdom and therein demonstrate your ignorance. So long as you continue to ignore 20 years of legal precedents and continue to ignore the full context of this bill, then I can't help but call a duck a duck.

UncleBuck said:

then get a medical license. 25 sq ft is enough space to pump out pounds. if pounds isn't enough for you, it means you are either an abusive addict or need it medicinally.



affirmative defense means everything. the only way you would lose an affirmative defense is if you had pounds of weed lying right next to a scale, baggies, and a thousand dollars in wrinkly $20 bills. otherwise, it is just your weed that you use for yourself and who is to say otherwise?

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i do have a medical card(not license)

so, if someone without a med card had more than an ounce, do u think the cop would like to hear the affirmative defense excuse? he doesnt know the exact wording of the law, just over an ounce is illegal. he will still take u in