Steadmanclan
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if you're against it, just stay home and don't vote.
Vote yes prop 19
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beardo
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Where do you get your facts? This stuff simply is not true. Right now pot smokers in Cali are not committing a felony.
If prop 19 passes their will be changes instore for prop 215 patients.
Steadmanclan
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the bill goes to great lengths to promise no changes to 215 patients and growers. I read it.
I already posted acknowledgement to the fact that I misspoke by saying felons, should have said criminals.
The "No on 19" stoner crowd are either making a living on the black market selling herb, or dumb enough to buy into our own brand of stoner propaganda scare tactics being spawned by complete fucking idiots like Dennis Peron and Dragonfly De la luz.
I already posted acknowledgement to the fact that I misspoke by saying felons, should have said criminals.
The "No on 19" stoner crowd are either making a living on the black market selling herb, or dumb enough to buy into our own brand of stoner propaganda scare tactics being spawned by complete fucking idiots like Dennis Peron and Dragonfly De la luz.
Steadmanclan
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dennis peron is coming out and saying that there is no such thing as recreational use, all use is medical, and as a result we need no other legalization laws.
enough said?
enough said?
Steadmanclan
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possible he's protecting his little medical marijuana hotel business.
If herb were legal, med patients wouldn't need to go to his hotel. He'd probably stand to lose money if 19 passed.
wonder why he's against it?
If herb were legal, med patients wouldn't need to go to his hotel. He'd probably stand to lose money if 19 passed.
wonder why he's against it?
what effects are you seeking when you smoke pot?
he could be on to something.
there is no need for 19. anyone can easily get a card and grow as much as they want.
Steadmanclan
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I know that I use it medically..
but my brother doesn't. He smokes once every month or so when he comes over, while we jam. Is that medical? Did he have a medical need to let loose and play some drums?
Maybe it should just be Legal for real and not medically pretended to be legal.
you shouldn't have to pay a doctor to tell you there is something wrong with you just to make it ok to enjoy cannabis.
Liking the way herb makes you feel doesn't mean you are "sick" does it?
but my brother doesn't. He smokes once every month or so when he comes over, while we jam. Is that medical? Did he have a medical need to let loose and play some drums?
Maybe it should just be Legal for real and not medically pretended to be legal.
you shouldn't have to pay a doctor to tell you there is something wrong with you just to make it ok to enjoy cannabis.
Liking the way herb makes you feel doesn't mean you are "sick" does it?
Steadmanclan
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What is Dennis Peron doing right now for a living?
Are you going to tell me he doesn't own a hotel that caters to med patients?
Are you going to tell me he doesn't own a hotel that caters to med patients?
vertise
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A poll I found reported that it is estimated that 14 percent of the US population has smoked pot within the last month. Using that 14 percent we can say that just under 5,000,000 people in california have smoked in the last month. Prob alot more in Cali (because it is more accepted here, then in other states) but i am just going by the 14 percent. The only number that i could find which I do not know how accurate it is says that theres about 240,000 med patients in Cali. 4,700,000 or so people have chosen to avoid medical cards for some reason or another.
Not going to debate, just food for thought
Not going to debate, just food for thought
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Only state ID cards require a registration, and they have not come for me yet. Maybe by register he means "go on paper as a medical Cannabis patient"... possibly just poor word choice?
potroast
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Oh yes there is a need for a new law. LEGAL MMJ patients are being put in jail right now, I guess you just won't admit it. Prop 19 will help to stop the pigs who are harassing us. If you were put in jail, or simply had your plants taken, you would vote yes.
Thanks for that, Rob. You actually understand the macro viewpoint, and can see the whole picture. Just like the head of NORML says, and it's so important that I put his quote in my sig.
vertise
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Yes go on record, but that record no matter how much you feel is safe...Isn't. You are part of a registery type program. Hospitals/Schools/Ect have social security and personal info leaked all the time. Sept 27 2010, NYC hospital apologized for the leaking of 6,800 patients personal information including some social security numbers onto the internet. There are no "lies". Stuff happens that is out of our control. Never know how safe your information and privacy really is. Thats what alot of people worry about. Why put more information out then is needed.
beardo
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It should be legal. Dennis Peron it right in taking a stance against 19 after he has spent years of his life fighting for marijuana users rights and getting us to where we are now in california. I honestly don't believe he is against it for personal gain. I think he is intelligent and knows the way of the law and court system. Prop 19 will put more people in jail and give the government more money to persicute marijuana users. I don't think dennis is saying prop 215 is perfect but it's good enough- If it ain't broke don't fix it. your brothers drum sessions may well be medical a therapy of sorts with all the stress he deals with everyday...that's dennis's point and that's good enough for now any adult who buys marijuana is doing it for a reason and it is really medical. we shouldn't have to explain that we use it for this and that and carry a card but for now it's good why mess that up with a bunch of laws restricting marijuana and imposing stiff sentences and taxes...When I see a prop for the legalization of marijuana I will vote yes. untill I see something that plainly says that im not voting away my rights
whatever, dude.
vertise
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I hope it passes. If it doesn't, I doubt it ever will become legal. This is the best chance. Most people voting against this bill are most likely non pot smokers. They could care less about the problems that the bill may have (Ones Interpretation). Only med patients and hardcore tokers follow that side of the story. Most none voters are guided by their own feeling of "Ethical behavior" and pot is not part of their acceptable behavior. Any other bill that comes along that is less restrictive has zero chance of ever passing. Also because California has huge financial problems the argument that it will help the state financially pushes more none smokers towards the idea of legalization. Once the states financial problem dwindles down there is nothing. The slowing of momentum of a financial incentive will make any/if not all future legislation for legalization almost impossible.
Oh yes there is a need for a new law. LEGAL MMJ patients are being put in jail right now, I guess you just won't admit it. Prop 19 will help to stop the pigs who are harassing us. If you were put in jail, or simply had your plants taken, you would vote yes.
Thanks for that, Rob. You actually understand the macro viewpoint, and can see the whole picture. Just like the head of NORML says, and it's so important that I put his quote in my sig.
prop 19 has nothing to do with medical. passing prop 19 will NOT stop medical arrests. the two are completely separate.
if anything prop 19 will cause more hardship on medical users. it opens the door for the cops to come in to find out of i'm medical or recreational. in the past they have known i was medical because that is all there is. now there is room for doubt, which opens new doors.
some here will understand this.
