VV is singing the blues. From seed to Perpetual Weed.

VictorVIcious · Apr 20, 2008

This is that same tray of clones. We see some more leaves that will need to be trimmed off, get it as close as you can. Here we have a little leaning plant. So we get out our Doctors kit, the skewers are about a buck for like a hundred, the wire tie is from the dollar store. I take a little depth check and height check by just holding the skewer against the side of the tray. You want to attach the tie to the skewer first, twist it nice and tight, form a little hook, and place the prop, hook the plant and carefully push it towards the prop. Done. I wonder if it's going to work?? VV :blsmoke:

I know how it turns out, I peeked.

VictorVIcious · Apr 20, 2008

UserFriendly said:
That plant looks good to me.

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Would you please explain this? And I'm serious as a heart attack. That plant doesn't have a big leaf left on it. It's been flowering for 12-13 weeks and as I have mentioned a time or two I am partially color blind, I don't see any amber trich's in that bitch and it looks to me like its just dying. I was kidding about throwing it out, but harvesting it now has crossed my mind. Any advice you can give is welcome.

Nobody is going to be able to look at a plant and tell if it's what they want. Even Sam the Skunkman says this, and he's been breeding since the 60's or 70's.

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That should be a sticky somewhere. You have obviously done more research
than I have in this area, I don't know that I have ever read anything by Sam.

The plant is supposed to look like what it looks like already, you dig? The conditions you put them in aren't the same they were bred in, enter the phenotype.

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Ok.

If you're trying to decide between a few girls, I suggest a reveg. The strongest and fastest plant will be the most photosensitive; there's your keeper. I suggest you hold on to the two best, male and female.

The difference between the two of us is experience. I haven't crossed two years of growing, don't even have a carbon scrubber yet. Breeding is beyond my scope right now, I may attempt some pollen collection from one of the HempWarp, I assume I will get at least one male out of 11 plants. I am still getting my room arranged to accomadate mothers. I changed strains from ones that flower for 12 weeks or longer to ones that are supposed to finish around 8 weeks. I really am still learning.
I have three varieties of BlueBerry Plants and I will post some pictures of why a less experienced person may have some trouble telling which plants would be the best to keep as mothers. Here is an idea of what I mean. Each of these two tables has at least one plant from all three varieties. There is about 1' of difference in their heights. Would you chose the 30" + SkunkBerry or the 18" SkunkBerry and why? VV

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UserFriendly · Apr 20, 2008

Going by the size of the nug, the plant looks like it can pump out some weight in a sea of green. Sog is just the most efficient way to grow if plant numbers aren't a concern. I thought you had trimmed it up in prep for the chop. If the leaves have all fallen off, just chop it now. If you have clones of her or are going to reveg, give her more nitrogen a little later into flower next time is all.

You don't need to see trichomes to know when to chop. I suggest harvest when those calyxes are swollen. Of course the more you grow a particular plant (not just the strain), the better off you'll be.

Sam the Skunkman (Seedsman & Skunkmans Cultivars seed co.) posts on icmag. It's a great resource, lots of great info; check it out-> International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - powered by weed
Also..... Cannabis Culture: Library lots to be had.

You'll want to wait until you can compare the final product of those skunkberries. If you're growing mersh, you may want the large yielder; just have to wait and see about that. I personally enjoy sativas the most and 12 weeks seems like a decent compromise. I'd rather have an ounce or two of the best haze than a pound of schwag.

VictorVIcious · Apr 20, 2008

Only problem with that is thats one of the strains I am dropping. Thanx for the other advice. It will probably be a year or so before I start doing any breeding to speak of, I need to finish the setup first.
I will be growing sog, I started with seeds ended at 19 plants right now and I already have the lights and tables, have already taken at least 4 clones from each plant, so far we have lost 11 out of 144. I am not confident we have identified all of the males yet. And I do have the HempWarp, dob 3/17, flowering 4/20. I have this confidence going for cloning so I am going to take clones from them over the next day or two. Don't know if you have had a chance too look at them or not, I'll post them here for you.
These are the three trays of clones today, and one that may not make it. VV :blsmoke:

UserFriendly · Apr 20, 2008

If the clones are yellowing up and dying, it's likely they are getting too much light. How long do they average to root?

Earl · Apr 20, 2008

Happy 4/20 buddy!

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VictorVIcious · Apr 20, 2008

Earl said:
Happy 4/20 buddy!

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Thanx Earl. did you notice the HempWarp went into flowering on 4/20. Clones will soon follow. Right back at ya big guy.

UserFriendlyIf the clones are yellowing up and dying, it's likely they are getting too much light. How long do they average to root?

Maybe I missed something here. One of the clones out of 133 has some yellowing right were the old leaves meet the stem. I am positive this is not a sign it was getting too much light, they were all under the same t-12 floros, all on the same 2' by 4' shelf. AND since it is the first time I have cloned these strains, I have no idea what the rooting time is. I know what I look for is new 'Green Growth'. No one has accused me of giving too much light before, I have been accused of a few other things, not that one. Al B is going to force me at bongpoint to buy myself an hid light. They are under a weak T-5 light now, running 1/2 of the bulbs. The T-5 fixtures have this feature built in, and in a day or two I will turn the rest of them on. Thats still only 40,000 lumens. Do you think the 20,000 lumens they have now is too much? VV :confused:

UserFriendly · Apr 20, 2008

When you said you had lost 11 out of 144, and i saw the pick of that single clone looking shabby, I was wondering if they were dropping like flies and thought it may be useful info. I most def did not say it was the problem. I wouldn't turn them all on until they were actually growing in medium. If you're comfortable with how it's going, then that's all that matters; keep on doing what you're doing.

That T5 fixture is nice. I know a lot of growers would love to have it. Even at half strength, it's more than i would suggest using for clones. I know it would be perfect for a mother cab.

You have a lot of plants and you're going to need a serious light. Al B uses 2k over 8x8 and gets good results because he has major overlap working with two hoods. Do you want pounds? Do you see yourself going big like that? I want you to get a 1000w, but only if you're going to use it to the fullest. Thats means inline fans, ducts, holes in things. It's going to cost money to setup, but we know its worth the cost and then some.

Portland Plant · Apr 20, 2008

Thanks for all the INFO!!!!

VictorVIcious · Apr 20, 2008

UserFriendly said:
When you said you had lost 11 out of 144, and i saw the pick of that single clone looking shabby, I was wondering if they were dropping like flies and thought it may be useful info. I most def did not say it was the problem. I wouldn't turn them all on until they were actually growing in medium. If you're comfortable with how it's going, then that's all that matters; keep on doing what you're doing.

That T5 fixture is nice. I know a lot of growers would love to have it. Even at half strength, it's more than i would suggest using for clones. I know it would be perfect for a mother cab.

You have a lot of plants and you're going to need a serious light. Al B uses 2k over 8x8 and gets good results because he has major overlap working with two hoods. Do you want pounds? Do you see yourself going big like that? I want you to get a 1000w, but only if you're going to use it to the fullest. Thats means inline fans, ducts, holes in things. It's going to cost money to setup, but we know its worth the cost and then some.

Actually AL B has 2-1000 watt lights that were recently put in cool tubes, each one covers two tables that are 820cm square or a little less than 2' 8" square using 770 millimeter pots 23 to 24 per table. He is harvesting 24 oz on average every two weeks and has been making improvements thruout the year and a half I have been following what and how he does it. I set my room up based on the information Al was giving at the time with one difference. I was planning on using 4-600 watt hid lights instead of 2-1000 watt lights.
I bought the T-5's instead and using 440 watts of light, producing 40,000 lumens I harvested a little over 18 oz. from 12 plants. Now if you choose you can tell me about how they are fluffy buds etc. my customers seem to like it and the money goes to the bank just like it does for the hid buds.
I have inline fans ducted to the roof of my house and vented out a roof hat, three wall mounted oscillating fans and three floor fans, I control the temp between 70 and 80 lights on and 60 with the lights off. Even have a sexy heater in here for the cold Michigan winters and will install air conditioning and a dehumidifier for summer, of course I have a humidifier for the winter, it keep the rh at 50%. I may even buy some smaller pots, I bought my 8" ones based on what Al thought he was using at the time. I just noticed the 770mm figure the other day. I knew that couldn't be right for the same reason I knew his table size couldn't be right. And you can check with Al if you like, he doesn't like my lights either, but he knows I am one determined sob. And I have a 400 watt hid that I will use for the mothers, it should be adequate for that. VV :blsmoke:

MstrWilliam · Apr 21, 2008

go team t5

VictorVIcious · Apr 21, 2008

You know it Mstr, I wasn't busy so I decide a few more clones would be in order. These HempWarp are amazing looking plants. Took 50 clones from them, marked for which plant they came from so when we sex them we can get rid of all the males. If we meet the law of averages this will give us 22 to 30 known female plants. I think this will fill all of the flowering table for the first run now and will start concentrating on setting up a mother plant area, again this will be flood and drain. The blues have been flowering for two weeks now the HempWarp just went into flowering and our clones should be ready in 2 -4 weeks. Two more months we should have it all running, assuming I don't kill the clones of course. VV :blsmoke:

B. THC R+D · Apr 21, 2008

YA GO TEAM :confused:

, WHAT DO THEY CALL US THAT RUN THE 1000W, YA GO THEM GUYS YAAAAAA!!! :hump:

I JUST DONT GET IT...ITS UP AND OUT :mrgreen:

I DONT CARE IF ITS DONE BY CANDLE LIGHT AND A MAG. GLASS, ITS THE END PRODUCT.
THERE'S TO MUCH LIGHT ON LIGHT CRIME GOING ON, WITH $$ AND SYSTEM WANTS, " - " SPACE BEING SOME OF THE MAJOR VARIABLES FOR A SET UP.... BUT WERE ALL THERE FOR THE END PRODUCT. AS A FAMOUS SHOE COMP. ONCE SAID "JUST DO IT :hump:

" AND BEING THE PIC WHORE IM TURNING INTO "AND SHOW IT". THERES SO MANY LIGHTS ON THE MARKET NOW AND MORE COMING THAT WTF, ALL ARE PIC'S DO LOOK THE SAME, LITTLE POTS, BIG ONES, AND TABLES, ALL SYSTEMS I FELL HAVE THAT WORD LABOR INVOLVED I HATE THAT WORD... :evil:

NOW WE SHOULD ALL KNOW BY NOW THAT DIRTBAG EATS HIS SOILLESS MIX WITH PLAYDO, RIGHT... :confused:

SO THE QUESTION: BESIDES TEMP. THE LIGHT OUTPUTS WITCH IN SOME CASES NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED, WATTS THE DAMMM DIFF. AND DONT TALK THAT LUMMM SHT. TO DIRTBAG, HE JUST SPACES AND STARTS RIPPING PAPER....CRIPLET. :eyesmoke:

VV

A FEW MORE, BETTER GET A LITTLE CLOSER, THATS ANOTHER TRAY FULL BRO. DOOO WE NEED TO HAVE AN INTERVENTION :confused:

YOUR STARTING TO LOOK LIKE AN ADDICT. A FEW AAAH LOCO GRINGO......YA BORED "I" JUST CLONED A "FEW" MORE. ILL BE CHECKING FOR DARK CIRCLES'. SHE IS GOING TO BE RUNNING YOUR ASS HARD, YOU KEEP MAKING IT MORE CONSTANT.... THE MAN WITH THE PLAN VV :blsmoke:

THE GROW PROBER.
DB. :twisted:

MstrWilliam · Apr 21, 2008

B. THC R+D said:
YA GO TEAM, WHAT DO THEY CALL US THAT RUN THE 1000W, YA GO THEM GUYS YAAAAAA!!! I JUST DONT GET IT...ITS UP AND OUT I DONT CARE IF ITS DONE BY CANDLE LIGHT AND A MAG. GLASS, ITS THE END PRODUCT.
THERE'S TO MUCH LIGHT ON LIGHT CRIME GOING ON, WITH $$ AND SYSTEM WANTS, " - " SPACE BEING SOME OF THE MAJOR VARIABLES FOR A SET UP.... BUT WERE ALL THERE FOR THE END PRODUCT.

personally I call 1000w growers - "mentors", because in my state they have been doing it a long, long, long time. So I learn from them. Now, some of the "new breed" have exp'd with t5 in one room, and mh/hps in another. Since he found no diff in final yield, or quality....he is happy to run t5s. Sounds like going green for growing green.

I agree with you....just get it done....if you can grow it as good, or better.....with less energy wasted......WTF is the prob.....everyone just needs to smoke some of their product, let it open their mind, and stop fucking everyone ele's goat!!!!!

Let's all get on the same mellow!

UserFriendly · Apr 21, 2008

VictorVIcious said:
Actually AL B has 2-1000 watt lights that were recently put in cool tubes, each one covers two tables that are 820mm square or a little less than 2' 8" square using 770 millimeter pots 23 to 24 per table. He is harvesting 24 oz on average every two weeks and has been making improvements thruout the year and a half I have been following what and how he does it. I set my room up based on the information Al was giving at the time with one difference. I was planning on using 4-600 watt hid lights instead of 2-1000 watt lights.
I bought the T-5's instead and using 440 watts of light, producing 40,000 lumens I harvested a little over 18 oz. from 12 plants. Now if you choose you can tell me about how they are fluffy buds etc. my customers seem to like it and the money goes to the bank just like it does for the hid buds.
I have inline fans ducted to the roof of my house and vented out a roof hat, three wall mounted oscillating fans and three floor fans, I control the temp between 70 and 80 lights on and 60 with the lights off. Even have a sexy heater in here for the cold Michigan winters and will install air conditioning and a dehumidifier for summer, of course I have a humidifier for the winter, it keep the rh at 50%. I may even buy some smaller pots, I bought my 8" ones based on what Al thought he was using at the time. I just noticed the 770mm figure the other day. I knew that couldn't be right for the same reason I knew his table size couldn't be right. And you can check with Al if you like, he doesn't like my lights either, but he knows I am one determined sob. And I have a 400 watt hid that I will use for the mothers, it should be adequate for that. VV

OH NO! THE METRIC SYSTEM! :fire:

VV, you don't have to tell me about fluffy nugs; I smoke leaves. ;-)

I haven't checked up on Al B since last year. He said he was using 4 4x4 trays with 1k per pair. I'll have to hit his thread up shortly.

I see a lot of cats pulling down some primo nugs with fluoros; I just don't see anyone using lots of fluoros for lots of weight. Are you still getting the 4 600's or are you buying more fluoros?

B. THC R&D........ :shock:

HazyEyes · Apr 21, 2008

MstrWilliam said:
personally I call 1000w growers - "mentors", because in my state they have been doing it a long, long, long time. So I learn from them. Now, some of the "new breed" have exp'd with t5 in one room, and mh/hps in another. Since he found no diff in final yield, or quality....he is happy to run t5s. Sounds like going green for growing green.

I agree with you....just get it done....if you can grow it as good, or better.....with less energy wasted......WTF is the prob.....everyone just needs to smoke some of their product, let it open their mind, and stop fucking everyone ele's goat!!!!!

Let's all get on the same mellow!

O hell yea man i love my T5 i only have a 4ft 4bulber but still its fucking great just does int have a penetration area as the 8bulbs like VV has .. but i swear on them with my heart.

VictorVIcious · Apr 21, 2008

UserFriendly said:
OH NO! THE METRIC SYSTEM! VV, you don't have to tell me about fluffy nugs; I smoke leaves. I haven't checked up on Al B since last year. He said he was using 4 4x4 trays with 1k per pair. I'll have to hit his thread up shortly.

I see a lot of cats pulling down some primo nugs with fluoros; I just don't see anyone using lots of fluoros for lots of weight. Are you still getting the 4 600's or are you buying more fluoros?

B. THC R&D........

The lights I am using are 4'-8 bulb HO T-5's. 440watts, 40,000 lumens, mixed red and blue spectrum bulbs for the entire grow. And I am getting the same result per table that folks are getting with 600 watt hid lights. I have four of the fixtures and four flood and drain tables. Once I get the flowering tables filled with the cuttings I took, they will all have the t-5's over them. The next lights I would buy would be some led's, initially to add side lighting and them over time as the light source for the room.
I started with three 400 watt hid's made the upgrade to the t-5's as I could afford it, and will upgrade to the led's in time to see the plasma lights start coming out. lol VV :blsmoke:

MstrWilliam · Apr 21, 2008

VictorVIcious said:
I started with three 400 watt hid's made the upgrade to the t-5's as I could afford it, and will upgrade to the led's in time to see the plasma lights start coming out. lol VV

Please note the use of the word "upgrade"

I too await the plasma lights.

CaliGurl · Apr 21, 2008

Nice One VV looks good so far! cant wait to see the end :mrgreen:

... Im with you on the t5's I use them for clones, and acutally I am robbing your clone rack idea.. wot can I say great minds think alike :mrgreen:

I have my 600 and 400 for veggie tho and my 1000 for flowering but thsoe t5's sure are nice

your blues look good, took me ahwile to get back over here n check em out cant wait for more pics!!!! my hydro set up is a bit delayed but no worries Im in no rush but definately will be using ur DIY tables those will work well for my set up. keep up the nice work :blsmoke:

B. THC R+D · Apr 21, 2008

VictorVIcious said:
The lights I am using are 4'-8 bulb HO T-5's. 440watts, 40,000 lumens, mixed red and blue spectrum bulbs for the entire grow. And I am getting the same result per table that folks are getting with 600 watt hid lights. I have four of the fixtures and four flood and drain tables. Once I get the flowering tables filled with the cuttings I took, they will all have the t-5's over them. The next lights I would buy would be some led's, initially to add side lighting and them over time as the light source for the room.
I started with three 400 watt hid's made the upgrade to the t-5's as I could afford it, and will upgrade to the led's in time to see the plasma lights start coming out. lol VV

MstrWilliam said:
Please note the use of the word "upgrade"

I too await the plasma lights.

SEE IF ITS GREEN AND MEAN SMOKE THAT SHT.
LED, PLASMA....U GUYS NEED TO STOP THE MADNESS AND GET BACK TO GROWING, DIRTBAG GOT IN THE SOILLESS "AGAIN, :roll:

HE'S IN THE FRONT YARD WITH A PHATTY..... AND HE'S GOING WITH NUCLEAR REACTOR, THAT OTTA BE SOME SERIOUS WHAT'S...CRIPLET.

HEY USERFRIENDLY LET THAT HIT GO, ILL ROLL ANOTHIER. :joint:

VV

IS SEX ED OVER BECAUSE OF THE FEM. SEED-S. THE #'S KILL ME...REPS TO THE GROWER :mrgreen:

AND DIRTBAG WANTED TO KNOW IF PPL ARE STARTING TO STAGGER AS THEY TRY AND WALK BY THE HOUSE. SKUNK FIGHT. :hump:

DB.

VV is singing the blues. From seed to Perpetual Weed.

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