Wedding Cake Stretch? Optimizing SCROG Canopy for Flip

Overgrowtho

Overgrowtho

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Wedding cake grow here (2x) and Blue Cheese (1x). First run in new room.

I am wondering if I should already flip to flower or wait for more of the canopy to fill?

Perhaps the optimal decision is based on whether these will stretch in flower.

Any advice is much appreciated.

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Overgrowtho

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I calculated that it's now 60% full. I'm a bit scared to flip early seeing as it might be better to air on the side of more full then less.

Maybe if I wait for another 10-20% that can't hurt?
 
Star Dog

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green_machine_two9er said:
So what I'm saying isn't you never know unless your working with clones. Even the same strain different pheno can be completely different traits.
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Star Dog said:
I think you need to grow any strain a couple of times to learn its traits and get the best from it.
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Yes as above my reference was regarding clones, seeds are unpredictable even from the same pack.
 
Overgrowtho

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Okay I'll give them another 1-2 weeks with CO2 turned on at around 1000 PPM and try to do some barley seed sprout tea and compost teas.

Then should be ready. Also planning to switch this 6 inch scrog net to a 3 incher.
 
Major Blazer

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Personally I'd say you're ready to flip. My current grow is Wedding Cake S1 from seed and overall plant size went up by around 25-30% after flip. If that's the case with you, that space will be full. Also if your plant is anything like mine, it has been a super easy going grow.
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evergreengardener

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Overgrowtho said:
I calculated that it's now 60% full. I'm a bit scared to flip early seeing as it might be better to air on the side of more full then less.

Maybe if I wait for another 10-20% that can't hurt?
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general rule of thumb fill net to 75 percent and flip fill the rest of the net in the 2 weeks after flip and the watch the fun begin
 
Overgrowtho

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green_machine_two9er said:
There ia something goingslightly askew with your containers. This is your first run with living soil?
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Yes it is first with Living Soil for indoor. And this is a brand new room. I haven't grown indoors since 2005 and that was hydro! What have you noticed about the containers?
Major Blazer said:
Personally I'd say you're ready to flip. My current grow is Wedding Cake S1 from seed and overall plant size went up by around 25-30% after flip. If that's the case with you, that space will be full. Also if your plant is anything like mine, it has been a super easy going grow.
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Thanks for sharing. My seeds were from MSNL. In that case I will be flipping very soon I think, maybe 7-10 days only, or less if all is looking fine. It was an easy grow for me as well AFTER I got the hang of it.... (new room, newbie for indoor organic and I likely didn't optimize all too perfectly but lets see...)

evergreengardener said:
general rule of thumb fill net to 75 percent and flip fill the rest of the net in the 2 weeks after flip and the watch the fun begin
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Thank, that is what I was thinking too. Looks like we are very very few days away then.
 
green_machine_two9er

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Overgrowtho said:
Yes it is first with Living Soil for indoor. And this is a brand new room. I haven't grown indoors since 2005 and that was hydro! What have you noticed about the containers?

Thanks for sharing. My seeds were from MSNL. In that case I will be flipping very soon I think, maybe 7-10 days only, or less if all is looking fine. It was an easy grow for me as well AFTER I got the hang of it.... (new room, newbie for indoor organic and I likely didn't optimize all too perfectly but lets see...)


Thank, that is what I was thinking too. Looks like we are very very few days away then.
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Overall light pale green growth or chlorosis with crispy edges starting.

Are you filtering your water? that looks spot on for an Iron def or lockout.
what volume of water do you give per day? If you dont get this under control quick things will most likely escalate fast.

What kind of soil mix are you using? amendments and minerals? base soil?
do you have a soil ph probe?
 
Overgrowtho

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green_machine_two9er said:
Overall light pale green growth or chlorosis with crispy edges starting.

Are you filtering your water? that looks spot on for an Iron def or lockout.
what volume of water do you give per day? If you dont get this under control quick things will most likely escalate fast.

What kind of soil mix are you using? amendments and minerals? base soil?
do you have a soil ph probe?
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Might be the white quantum board light making it appear as such?

However there is some anomalies...

Water is rain water or unfiltered ppm 65 around 7 pH.

Super soil organic mixes in Asia not USA brands. Soil ph probes show around 6 to 7 mostly.

Feeding just some fish hydrosolate, compost / casting aerated teas with molasses. A bit top dress happy frog veg but not much.

Today I picked up some organic 15-15-15 pellets and liquid organic 25 25 20 juice of guano dung etc type of stuff. Specifically for cannabis. Maybe it needs THIS to get healthier?
 
green_machine_two9er

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Overgrowtho said:
Might be the white quantum board light making it appear as such?

However there is some anomalies...

Water is rain water or unfiltered ppm 65 around 7 pH.

Super soil organic mixes in Asia not USA brands. Soil ph probes show around 6 to 7 mostly.

Feeding just some fish hydrosolate, compost / casting aerated teas with molasses. A bit top dress happy frog veg but not much.

Today I picked up some organic 15-15-15 pellets and liquid organic 25 25 20 juice of guano dung etc type of stuff. Specifically for cannabis. Maybe it needs THIS to get healthier?
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ANything above 5 npk Is scary even if it's organic.
Sometimes less is more, I see you have straw down, do you have compost layer under that? Also still curious about volume of water per day. Someone from a "bottle nutrient" mindset can often underwater/ undernourished the soil itself. Your microbial life might just not Be happy.

65 ppm is a bit low for me. Id like to see 100-150.

if your going to be adding things to your water i would look for something with iron, Thrive alive B1 for example.
OR fresh earthworm castings typically have water soluble iron in them as well as calcium. Top dress makes a lot more sense to me than trying teas with castings on a small scale.

but back to soil moisture, a properly watered living soil will be quite heavy. there really should never be much of any "dry out" stage where the pot gets light and easy to tip up.
 
osowhom

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Overgrowtho said:
Okay I'll give them another 1-2 weeks with CO2 turned on at around 1000 PPM and try to do some barley seed sprout tea and compost teas.

Then should be ready. Also planning to switch this 6 inch scrog net to a 3 incher.
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wait until new years eve at midnight then flip thats my plan mine are about that size now then its easy to count the weeks
 
osowhom

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green_machine_two9er said:
ANything above 5 npk Is scary even if it's organic.
Sometimes less is more, I see you have straw down, do you have compost layer under that? Also still curious about volume of water per day. Someone from a "bottle nutrient" mindset can often underwater/ undernourished the soil itself. Your microbial life might just not Be happy.

65 ppm is a bit low for me. Id like to see 100-150.

if your going to be adding things to your water i would look for something with iron, Thrive alive B1 for example.
OR fresh earthworm castings typically have water soluble iron in them as well as calcium. Top dress makes a lot more sense to me than trying teas with castings on a small scale.

but back to soil moisture, a properly watered living soil will be quite heavy. there really should never be much of any "dry out" stage where the pot gets light and easy to tip up.
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thats what i needed to hear i made my own soil and upped to 7 gallon pots i drilled holes in the sides and hit them with an air pump once a week to loosen it up they love it
 
Overgrowtho

Overgrowtho

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green_machine_two9er said:
ANything above 5 npk Is scary even if it's organic.
Sometimes less is more, I see you have straw down, do you have compost layer under that? Also still curious about volume of water per day. Someone from a "bottle nutrient" mindset can often underwater/ undernourished the soil itself. Your microbial life might just not Be happy.

65 ppm is a bit low for me. Id like to see 100-150.

if your going to be adding things to your water i would look for something with iron, Thrive alive B1 for example.
OR fresh earthworm castings typically have water soluble iron in them as well as calcium. Top dress makes a lot more sense to me than trying teas with castings on a small scale.

but back to soil moisture, a properly watered living soil will be quite heavy. there really should never be much of any "dry out" stage where the pot gets light and easy to tip up.
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There is some compost mixed in with soil. Maybe I will go now and put a layer of worm castings under the mulch. 65 PPM is low so if I mix with the organic fert (even 25-25-20) it should help I guess, yes? Will test PPM before watering...

I have been watering about 1 gallon every 3 days plus another half gallon here and there as needed. So I've been careful to always try to keep it pretty moist.

Top dress makes more sense than tea for what reason? Related to the scale (meaning not worth it for a small grow)? But I did do it quite a bit and seemed to have a good response from the plants. I'd think they like the added aerated water at least.



green_machine_two9er said:
like literally pumping air into the pot? wow I've never heard of this quite an idea!
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What are you smoking @osowhom how do you aerate soil as such? you mean you stuck a tube in the soil to send air in there??
 
osowhom

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Overgrowtho said:
There is some compost mixed in with soil. Maybe I will go now and put a layer of worm castings under the mulch. 65 PPM is low so if I mix with the organic fert (even 25-25-20) it should help I guess, yes? Will test PPM before watering...

I have been watering about 1 gallon every 3 days plus another half gallon here and there as needed. So I've been careful to always try to keep it pretty moist.

Top dress makes more sense than tea for what reason? Related to the scale (meaning not worth it for a small grow)? But I did do it quite a bit and seemed to have a good response from the plants. I'd think they like the added aerated water at least.





What are you smoking @osowhom how do you aerate soil as such? you mean you stuck a tube in the soil to send air in there??
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i bought a pump they use for air mattresses 10 bucks at walmart and litteraly stuck it in the holes before watering and pumped then when i watered i had immediate runoff not sure if its a good or bad thing this whole grow is an experiment any how
 
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