Welfare, what to do?

FootballFirst

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Can the welfare system be created/changed to avoid being abused by people who don't want a better life for themselves and are satisfied to see children as a happy, "money making" accidents?

Maybe there will just always be homeless/poor people who don't want to work.
 

max420thc

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yep.we call them liberals.if they cant get a meaningless job they steal from the tax payer to make their living
 

joepro

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Can the welfare system be created/changed to avoid being abused by people who don't want a better life for themselves and are satisfied to see children as a happy, "money making" accidents?

Maybe there will just always be homeless/poor people who don't want to work.
The double conundrum; to make welfare not welfare?

A huge % of homeless have either mental or drug related issues. A job isn't a cure-all.

The real issue here is a football isn't round like a ball!!
A soccer ball is circular and a football is a prolate spheroid, and not gay!!:-P:clap:
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
A job is especially not a cure-all of it's not a living wage.........

A person with a minimum wage job can't get any medical help. A person with no job gets full medical.......
 

TheBrutalTruth

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A job is especially not a cure-all of it's not a living wage.........

A person with a minimum wage job can't get any medical help. A person with no job gets full medical.......
Symptom of a government that thinks it knows better than individuals what is good for individuals.

Symptoms of a government that has failed to maintain the value of its currency due to the desires of special interest groups (Bankers, Giant Corporations, Nanny-Staters.)

All these things can easily be fixed by reducing the cost of government.

What I fail to ever find the logic behind is just how Obama intends on making healthcare more affordable when his stated goals are to make it more expensive by taxing doctors more.

The more you take from the doctors the more they have to charge to maintain their previous cost of living. Thus, medical care inflation.

Common Knowledge, when you tax something, prices go up on that something. Like cigarettes, by the logic of the Democrats the following makes sense.

"Cigarettes should cost $0 after the taxes on them."
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Health care should have a more fair pricing structure. They invent the prices based on which insurance you have. That is why people can't afford it.

They should have to set a price for a service and stick with that price no matter what your insurance is.

It doesn't do any good to have insurance if the hospital charges 4 times as much because of the insurance you have.
 

korvette1977

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Welfare should be just for those who are crippled or maimed or UNABLE to work..

If you can type online you can do data entry
If you can walk you can work


People are lazy and DONT wanna work. Its simple . Some people would just rather work the system ..

They should be put into the Army or forced to work for the handout ...
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I agree about that, but instead of rewarding people who sit on their ass, there should be more access to services to people who have jobs but can't make ends meet. People really shouldn't have to choose between medical and food or whatever.

We have those multi-generation welfare familes around here. They breed and breed and never get jobs. They're always really fat too, that's something I've noticed.
 

korvette1977

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I see people who have section 8 housing ( state picks up 3/4 of your rent) driving around in Escalades and Lexus trucks , sporting $500 sunglass's and $300 sneakers and using the states welfare card to buy food in the store .. It makes me sick
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
It's because they get fat tax refunds, they get all that earned income credit for having all those kids. I know, how are they going to get a tax refund if they don't pay taxes? I don't get it either.
 

korvette1977

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Esp Those who come here from other country's pop out 4-5 kids and then get one ""with special needs"" and they collect $2600 a month just for that one kid .. It makes me LIVID..
 

misshestermoffitt

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It's really time to start limiting population. I didn't want anymore kids than I knew I could afford to raise. In fact, I probably could have afforded a few more, but 2 was enough for me.
 

ResistanceIsFertile

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The word "welfare" represents so many things, to different people.
The only "cradle to grave" welfare scam in the US is reserved for military members and their massive families, which often resemble Joy's children from My Name is Earl. Free health care, free housing, food stamps, and all the spouse has to do is get pregnant every time they are on leave, (or if they are already pregnant, hope it coincides with the military member being home). A base town is a welfare state within a state, for the low-rent mercenaries (er, volunteers) and their consorts. When I lived in NC, the housing projects were far less depressing than Jacksonville & Fayetteville.

There is also the welfare such as the 3 publicly funded sports arenas where I live, which were voted down by referendum, but still constructed with tax money. Then there was the construction of a light-rail tunnel under a friggin' river using public funds, in an area already well served with public transportation and bridges. I couldn't figure out why, until 3 years later they announced that, of the three proposed sites for a new casino, the site near the underwater tunnel was selected. Apparently the fix was always in. There is plenty of welfare for already successful outfits, but nowhere near as much for the struggling small business, which apparently most gov't views as an enemy based on their treatment of such enterprises compared to professional sports teams.

The welfare that seems to anger most right-wingers is in place as a safety valve to prevent mass uprisings and to channel dissent into red tape. I live in a poor neighborhood, adjacent to a fancy one. Nothing could please me more than helping myself to a nice big house because my starving neighbors have gone apeshit and decided to help themselves to the yuppie's stuff. I'm not sure how those well meaning liberal types would feel about rabble expropriating their stuff, but I'd love to find out. Likely guilt and shame.
 

FootballFirst

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What I fail to ever find the logic behind is just how Obama intends on making healthcare more affordable when his stated goals are to make it more expensive by taxing doctors more.

The more you take from the doctors the more they have to charge to maintain their previous cost of living. Thus, medical care inflation.
Most primary care docs will make under $250k. The specialists are the ones who make the cash. Ortho surgeons can easily gross over 1 million. ENT surgeons at can make around $500k. Family docs make an "average" of $120-150k. So by taxing "specialists" it promotes primary care, the only division of medicine where there is a deficiency(everyone wants to be specialist for the money.) Primary care is THE ONLY front line in healthcare. It is the entry point into the system.(its like a gate-way drug!) Due to insurance company policies, you can't skip going to see a family doc. The bulk of the patient population never makes it past the family doc level, but that is where the U.S. medical system is MOST deficient.

I think poor people are fat because they have become to lazy to cook. McDonald's and 7 Eleven burritos are easier to cook than chicken, rice, beans, potatoes, etc.. Buying ingredients in bulk and cooking them is WAY cheaper than their eating at McDonald's, but since it is easier, and poor people have SOOOOO much to do everyday, the eat food that is bad for them. Are there any studies out there that measure proportion of obese people broken down by socioeconomic status? That would be an interesting study.
 

ResistanceIsFertile

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Most grocery store chains are afraid to open up in poor neighborhoods, but fast food places and overpriced corner stores aren't. My neighborhood has a Popeye's & a KFC/Taco Bell right next door to each other. Somehow they coexist peacefully.
 
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