what are good nutrients/fertilizers?

I have a question, I got a plant out side bout 5-6 ft tall and it barley has hairs on it , I baught bud blood the other day and it's been shity weather, it's gonna be raining for the next few days I was wondering if I can still feed the plant even tho it's gonna be raining, and can someone give me some tips for growing outdoors to make good stinky buds, I live in nova scotia and it got pretty fucked up weather( never no if it's gonna be sunny or rainy)

I'm growing for my second season, i got a nice indica and I started using miracle grow all purpose fertilizer its 24/8/16. I just mixed some in a 2L pop jug with water. I try and fertilizer them every second watering usually every 4 days. I all so spray/mist them with a lower concentrated amount daily. My plant loves the fertilizer, it always seems to be touching the lights the day after I fertilize . Also I put banana peels and egg shells in my soil for the potassium and the calcium. HAHA yoo Scotiagrow I'm from the Nova Scotia to, I would try and dry you bud slowly and let it cure for a bit, it always turns out better if U dry and cure it properly.

Scotiagrow said:

I have a question, I got a plant out side bout 5-6 ft tall and it barley has hairs on it , I baught bud blood the other day and it's been shity weather, it's gonna be raining for the next few days I was wondering if I can still feed the plant even tho it's gonna be raining, and can someone give me some tips for growing outdoors to make good stinky buds, I live in nova scotia and it got pretty fucked up weather( never no if it's gonna be sunny or rainy)

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You can still feed, the concern would be whether you'll get enough rain to wash away enough of the nutrients to make it a wasted effort or not. That's really kind of a judgement call on your part. I'd say to give it a try and see if it helps.

The only other suggestion I'd have would be to try to get some plastic sheeting or something like that to make a tent of sorts out of. That way you could keep the rain off the area where the plants are but still let in plenty of light.

What soil do you recommend?

the best nutes is the one with the right NPK ratio... once you decide that then you look at the tag... find the cheapest or best bang for your buck and thats the best nutrients you can use.. but thats a very small part of the end product... theirs alot more to a successful grow than the best nutes or ferts

ok so about sensi grow a&b and sensi bloom a&b.....i will mix sensi grow a&b for the veg state?....then, when i switch to 12/12 i quit using those and only use sensi BLOOM a&b? im confuserd on how it works or do you always use sensi GROW and just add sensi BLOOM to it while your budding phase? help please i was thinking of the grow big/big bloom/tiger bloom combo but i figured i will just try sensi grow and bloom im using hydroponic 6 pot system....let me know how i use them thanks alot!

Go ahead and use bud blood. Do not have to worry about weather or not it is raining enough
to wash away the food as someone just stated....Just add a little less then what the back
says... I believe 1 TSP=7G. And that comes out to about 14l of water...Use about 3/4 of
a TSP for every 14l... It is VERY strong stuff...Have it and it works great! And if it is still
pouring outside, just use it the same way as if it were not. If you are past your 2nd week
of flowering, i would not use it.....They say the fist week of flower, but the first 2 weeks
is about the max you can go. As long as the food passes by the roots, they will get what
they need/want at the time...

You use sensi grow a-b for grow and tha tis all....Stop using the grow and switch to the bloom formula.
when using each of these start off with about 1/2 strength, and see from there...Much easier to add
food to your plants then take it away. But do not use any of the grow in flower time or any bloom in
the grow time.....

Cheers.

Jaymann005 said:

You use sensi grow a-b for grow and tha tis all....Stop using the grow and switch to the bloom formula.
when using each of these start off with about 1/2 strength, and see from there...Much easier to add
food to your plants then take it away. But do not use any of the grow in flower time or any bloom in
the grow time.....

Cheers.

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this

ur grow formulas have more nitrogen so the plants can veg out nicely
its what gives you good leaf growth and so on

but u dont want it heavy in flower bcus it will make ur plants want to grow more leaves and less buds and it will make ur buds burn harsh and taste like crap

so thats why theres a grow formula and a bloom formula

also plants need more phosphorus and potassium when theyre bloomin

ViRedd said:

Yes ... if you are in soil, forget all the fancy stuff. Here's some great ferts for you:

For vegging use: Peter's "Jack's Classic" 20-20-20.

For flowering use: Peter's "Jack's Classic Blossom Booster 10-30-20.

Here's where to order: http://www.jacksclassic.com/

Use these at only 1/4 strength throughout your grow and you will have beautiful plants producing great buds.

Vi

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dont use jack's classic in hydro set ups, because the major ingredient used for nitrogen is urea form, which everyone knows that you cant even utilize that form of nitrogen in a hydroponic setup
urea nitrogen is mainly used in soil medium, because there's something in soil that allows the plant to use the nitrogen, but since you're not using soil, than you'll become nitrogen deficient.
i haven't used jack's yet, but i plan to use them because i've heard wonderful things about them. instead of jack's classic 20 - 20 - 20, im gonna use jack's general purpose 20 - 10 -20 instead. in the general purpose blend, the nitrogen main ingredient is something like 16%+ nitrate nitrogen, which is the best form to use in hydroponics.

i will use:
- jack's general purpose 20 - 10 - 20
- jack's blossom booster 10 - 30 - 20
- liquid karma
- canna pk 13/14
- cannazyme
- dyna-gro foliage pro
- magical

if im missing anything major, please, i'd love all feedback, but so far, this is definitely the best combination of nutes i've found

this is a good point most fertilizer companies use urea as their main source for nitrogen which is fine if u have soil with plenty of beneficial microbes to convert the urea to a useable source but if u dont then it wont do any good

i know that AN uses some urea sourced nitrogen but they process it to break it down into useful forms first
i think they r the only company to do that

An is good stuff but not at all worth the price.

Cutting Edge Solutions has no urea of any sort in their products.
Great stuff!

ViRedd said:

Well, we are talking about a soil grow here and not a hydro grow. I started out as a soil grower and used a multitude of different fertilizers over the years. The Peter's "Jack's Classic" series ended up as my favorites.

I've used Advanced Nutriets for my hydro growing, and to be very honest, I don't like it. The first grow, AN mislabled the ratios on the bottle and all my young plants died. Needless to say, that was expensive. If you use all the nutrients in their line, which they promise will produce a ton of pot from one plant ... ha ha ... you would be spending around $500.00 per grow on their nutes. In my honest opinion, AN is less in the nutrient business ... and more into the money business.

There are more simple ways and much less expensive ways to grow hydro and get stellar results.

You can use a two-part General Hydrophonics plan:

Just buy a bottle of GH Micro (brown) and a bottle of GH Bloom (red). Do not buy the GH Grow (Green).

0-5-10 for vegging.
0-8-16 for flowering.

Vegging: 0 grow/5ml Micro/10ml Bloom Flowering: 0 Grow/8ml Micro/16ml Bloom

Simpler yet is what I use now:

Pure Blend Pro. Use 15ml per gallon of RO water for vegging.
Use 15ml per gallon of RO water, plus 5ml of CalMag for flowering.

You can buy both the PBP "Grow" and the "Bloom." Use the "Grow" during vegging and the "Bloom" during flowering. OR ... you can just do as a friend of mine does and use the "Bloom" for both vegging and flowering. Now, before you say it won't work, my friend grows some of the tastiest pot I've ever smoked ... and he does it consistantly.

Vi

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I do realize, as do most growers, that the Advanced nutrients company are growing quite a "big head" and promoting/exploiting their products to an unreasonable extent. I mean they seriously have an almost sickening sense of pride, I won't even bring up some of the silly things they've done but I will say that they also have a cheaper line of nutrients known as Jungle Juice. I'm sure everybody has heard of it, it's an exact copy of General Hydroponics' 3-part base nutrient... only cheaper and the chemicals are not outsourced, so they actually have labels which are more accurate than most hydroponic nutrient lines; each individual state requires nute companies to list/not list certain chemicals in the nutes, so if you notice- nutrient labels vary WIDELY from state to state even thought the contents are exactly the same. Anyways, the Jungle Juice, I have preached about the Juice a couple of times here in the forum but honestly, I highly recommend them. They are cheap enough to compare to generic supermarket prices and work just as well as any nutrient brand I have come across so far. I have been able to use all the nutrients I have tried so far (with success), just make sure that the fertilizer also contains micro-nutrients and adjust you pH to optimum levels, start small and work your way up. I've even had amazing results with Miracle Grow General Purpose fertilizer though I found it to have an extremely low effect on the pH of the water (bringing it down to 2 or 3.) I just thought I would bring up the Jungle Juice again and hopefully inspire somebody to try it out, it is simply awesome (and CHEAP) when you get it dialed in, for soil OR hydro. The nutrient companies spend up to millions of dollars researching their stuff (especially Advanced Nutrients), AN also makes their products specifically for cannabis, so when the plants get burned or die from the nutrients, it is most likely the lack of experience on the grower's part, not the nutrient company.

Damn, I just realized how rude that people are on RIU anymore. Since the thread was asking for nutrient/fertilizer suggestions but you can not suggest anything without being accused of being an "advanced nutrients sales rep", or whatever nutrients you'd suggest then I'd just like to say this: if you are using any (especially bigger brand-names) nutrients and your plants die or don't produce as much as you'd like- that's your fault. Period. All of these companies are putting the exact same nutrients (from various sources) into these nutes, all that changes are the ratios... therefore, if your grow doesn't come out as you had planned, then it's because you failed to use the nutrients properly. I'm assuming that anyone looking for a new nutrient company would be doing so because the one that they had used last did not give them 10 lbs. from the scraggly 1 ft. plant growing under a CFL in their closet. Get over it. If your going to do things cheap then it's going to cost you some time and money to experiment/learn through trial and error. All big guns in the cannabis industry (Advanced Nutrients, Canna, etc.) make their nutes specifically for marijuana... and they do so through scientists whom they pay extremely well to research/design nutrients for this plant. It would be my guess that these guys know a lot more about growing cannabis than the guy who comes to a thread asking for help just to bash on people who are just seeking a little advice.
If you still believe these scientists don't know as much about growing as you do, then I suggest going to school to learn what you're talking about, then you can open a nutrient company and make a better nutrient... then we will all be terribly happy to switch over to your line of nutes (and hopefully an inexperienced grower doesn't over/under feed and kill their plants or else that'd be your fault since you would have made the nutrients, right?)

Alpha492 said:

An is good stuff but not at all worth the price.

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Agreed. The Jungle Juice is good and cheap though and I'm not a sales rep. I use Jungle Juice from Advanced, Calmag from Botanicare, some boosters from GH and even a little SuperThrive (laugh who will, haha) and see absolutely amazing results for fairly cheap. Recently, I have even been vegging with Miracle grow with no problems at all, for an even cheaper alternative.

I hate to be a thread stealer but this is related: does anyone know of a good fertilizer for flowering that I may find locally? I live in a crappy little town with nothing more than a Kmart and a pitiful garden center so my choices are limited.. when I buy expensive nutes I have to order them on the internet, making them even more expensive and I hate waiting for the UPS man! Haha, any suggestions would be appreciated, +rep. (I have been using MG for veg, which works great, but most generic bloom "boost" fertilizers are formulated to make more bud sites, I'm looking for something with low nitrogen and not too much of a gap in the %'s of phosphorous and potassium.)

zombie thread!

BRAAAAAAAINS!

as far as finding good nutes local i cant help 2 much
u might check garden shops they seem 2 be branching into hydro more and more
one of them nearby to where i am just started carrying AN!

no hydroponics stores at all round here and they start carrying serious hydro nutes
i couldnt believe it


other than that all i can say is see if u can get a break on shipping by saving up and buying in bulk
thats what i did before

I find that just about any nutes can be used with success as long as you use those particular nutes in the best way possible for the plant...and this varies not only from bottle to bottle, but plant to plant...You just have to pick one that you are interested in using and then learn to use it.

Most of the larger companies will send you free samples if you send them an email and ask...

is jacks blossom builder okay for coco?