What can a patient do about the "25 Mile Rule" ?

boneheadbob said:

The disps in Ca cant produce quality meds on a consistent basis. What makes you think a bunch of newbs will set the world on fire here in AZ.
lol they will have all sort of problems even after starting up

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If you read my whole post mate....

"Dispensaries in AZ will be SOOOOOO regulated I am super surprised to see folks trying to open a dispensary...
Just to obtain medicine from a dispensary they MUST follow the rules and statues to be in compliance.. Read them...
Just labeling is a feat in itself.. And all the entries to obtain and dispense medicine.. Every patient will have a tally sheet!!
Anyone who claims the meds will be shit is FULL of it themselves. Dispensaries will produce High quality meds.. Period."

The AzDHS will shut them down after a random sampling of the medicine.... Read the operating Rules mate....

I am not lawyer but I can read..

R9-17-317. Product Labeling and Analysis
A. A dispensary shall ensure that medical marijuana provided by the dispensary to a qualifying patient or a designated caregiver is labeled with:
1. The dispensary's registry identification number;
2. The amount, strain, and batch number of medical marijuana;
3. The following statement: "ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES' WARNING: Marijuana use can be addictive and can impair an individual's ability to drive a motor vehicle or operate heavy machinery. Marijuana smoke contains carcinogens and can lead to an increased risk for cancer, tachycardia, hypertension, heart attack, and lung infection. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN";
4. If not cultivated by the dispensary, whether the medical marijuana was obtained from a qualifying patient, a designated caregiver, or another dispensary;
5. The date of manufacture, harvest, or sale;
6. A list of all chemical additives, including nonorganic pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers, used in the cultivation and production of the medical marijuana; and
7. The registry identification number of the qualifying patient.

D. A dispensary shall provide to the Department upon request a sample of the dispensary's medical marijuana inventory of sufficient quantity to enable the Department to conduct an analysis of the medical marijuana.




What is funny is every patient or caregiver that would like to provide medicine to a dispensary will have their MMJ ID # recorded on ALL labeling to be dispensed to other patients... Read the rules mates!!

boneheadbob said:

There is a reason why you have 1400 post and no rep.

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Your point?

I take no offense to your post... HA

Like I asked mate... Whats the deal with the "25 Mile Rule"?

Why argue with me mate over non sense? I guess you are not worried about the "25 Mile Rule" ?

chill out boneheadbob

Colorado dispensaries already have to log and catalog every batch. They also include the batch number along with what was used to grow said medicine on the label. And some write your id number on the label when you purchase it

phxfire said:

Anyone who claims the meds will be shit is FULL of it themselves.

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I will try again.
I said the disps will have crappy weed. You claimed I am full of it.

Thats all I am calling you on. None of the other stuff matters other then to obfuscate.

I say the disps in Cal are proof. They usually have mediocre herb which in MHO = crappy weed. I dont think the disps in Az will be able to provide herb all the time and when they do it will be 400. Hell they have a monopoly, why would they care especially when the state forces me to buy from them.

Next thing you know I can have a card and a bag but if my bag does not have the disp marker and my smiling mug purchasing the herb on file then I go to jail.

IVIars said:

Colorado dispensaries already have to log and catalog every batch. They also include the batch number along with what was used to grow said medicine on the label. And some write your id number on the label when you purchase it

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I hear that!!

boneheadbob said:

I will try again.
I said the disps will have crappy weed. You claimed I am full of it.

Thats all I am calling you on. None of the other stuff matters other then to obfuscate.

I say the disps in Cal are proof. They usually have mediocre herb which in MHO = crappy weed. I dont think the disps in Az will be able to provide herb all the time and when they do it will be 400. Hell they have a monopoly, why would they care especially when the state forces me to buy from them.

Next thing you know I can have a card and a bag but if my bag does not have the disp marker and my smiling mug purchasing the herb on file then I go to jail.

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Dude... Cali has NO real program like Arizona... Read the rules by the AzDHS... PERIOD. If a dispensary allows SHITTY meds to go in or out of their dispensary they will shut down QUICK... So as I said before the dispensaries in Arizona will produce High Quality medicine since it will be highly regulated by the AzDHS.. And to compare Cali to Arizona is your mistake... The medical Marijuana Program in Arizona is ALOT different than cali my friend... Most growers think they grow better than every other grower... And I can accept that mate!!

I made that referance with no connection to you... Stop calling yourself out from the crowd...

Colorado has almost 90000 patients and over 600 dispensaries. And the application fee for a state card is only 35$. Also the average price for and eigth is around 30$ and ounces go for 200 or less. Their system is also explicitly for profit.

uggghh... why do people forget their inherent rights??? the right to consume whatever substance they want... YOU alone are the ONLY authority over your body...

secondly the right to grow whatever substance for yourself...

but somehow people just keep allowing themselves to get ruled over... ???

i would gladly spend the time to organize a referendum so we can all just end the bullshit prohibition already...

anybody else care to see real liberty happen???

cannofbliss said:

uggghh... why do people forget their inherent rights??? the right to consume whatever substance they want... YOU alone are the ONLY authority over your body...

secondly the right to grow whatever substance for yourself...

but somehow people just keep allowing themselves to get ruled over... ???

i would gladly spend the time to organize a referendum so we can all just end the bullshit prohibition already...

anybody else care to see real liberty happen???

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Let me guess you are voting Ron Paul?

Liberty and Justice for all!

phxfire said:

Let me guess you are voting Ron Paul?

Liberty and Justice for all!

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no to be honest... the voting is a scam... i choose not to give my consent for anybody to rule over me...

what i mean is, by organizing... is that if someone can gather enough people and spend the time doing so, to where they would have to repeal the legislation on the books... to once and for all, end the prohibition of cannabis...

keep in mind there are only so many people in office and there are millions of us who support the free use of cannabis...

now only if i could get enough of those millions to 1st not be distracted by a bunch of meaningless crap... 2nd then to have them actually care enough to end the bullshit... and we can all by popular demand, remove the legislation of cannabis right off of the books and or just ignore it altogether...

cannofbliss said:

uggghh... why do people forget their inherent rights??? the right to consume whatever substance they want... YOU alone are the ONLY authority over your body...

secondly the right to grow whatever substance for yourself...

but somehow people just keep allowing themselves to get ruled over... ???

i would gladly spend the time to organize a referendum so we can all just end the bullshit prohibition already...

anybody else care to see real liberty happen???

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You made me laugh this morning ! Thanks & go right ahead & make liberty happen for us . . .
(kinda surprised you got on the forum without agreeing to their rules !)

cannofbliss said:

no to be honest... the voting is a scam... i choose not to give my consent for anybody to rule over me...

what i mean is, by organizing... is that if someone can gather enough people and spend the time doing so, to where they would have to repeal the legislation on the books... to once and for all, end the prohibition of cannabis...

keep in mind there are only so many people in office and there are millions of us who support the free use of cannabis...

now only if i could get enough of those millions to 1st not be distracted by a bunch of meaningless crap... 2nd then to have them actually care enough to end the bullshit... and we can all by popular demand, remove the legislation of cannabis right off of the books and or just ignore it altogether...

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without your vote ?

apparently youre not familiar with what i was referring to (the scam) is with regards to a "presidential election"...

the other about organizing people... i could not do all by myself...(so i dont know why you would just say "go ahead" and display the attitude you did by your post... and not even want to try to help...)

dont you know the attitude you display does nothing for you and actually hurts you???

and the attitude of just let "someone else do it for you" thats just plain laziness... and nothing can ever be accomplished with that state of mind... and neither the attitude and overused excuse "im only one person... what can i do???) thats just bull...

however, millions standing in opposition and disregard for a bad piece of legislation... has no choice but to be defeated and will subsequently just disappear...

and on another note... the "forum rules"...https://www.rollitup.org/misc.php?do=showrules... never required from anyone their expressed or implied consent to be ruled over... including the rule over by anyone on this site...

the clicking of "accept" was merely an indication of "confirmation" and that the ONLY way to use this forum was to click on a button that took to the next page...

and lastly...

to try and "repeal" something by "playing their game" wont ever happen... their game is rigged... (the rules they have set in place will never allow you the common man or woman to change them)

you cant change the rules by following them...

an excerpt from jd rockefeller jr's letter states what happened with alcohol prohibition and pretty much stated "why" it failed... and states also where cannabis supporters can succeed...

here is the excerpt from his letter back in 1932... i highlighted in bold the MAIN reason why it had been repealed... and that same reasoning can be applied in today's world... and should be the only model in which this stupid prohibition of cannabis can or ever will be ended...


"When Prohibition was introduced, I hoped that it would be widely supported by public opinion and the day would soon come when the evil effects of alcohol would be recognized. I have slowly and reluctantly come to believe that this has not been the result. Instead, drinking has generally increased; the speakeasy has replaced the saloon; a vast army of lawbreakers has appeared; many of our best citizens have openly ignored Prohibition; respect for the law has been greatly lessened; and crime has increased to a level never seen before. "

as you can clearly see how their "appeal to evilness" had been defeated... and their failed efforts to prohibit the freedoms of everyone's OWN body to consume whatever they wanted... and how the unfortunate effect of harm to the people by the increase in other crime, as a direct cause of their prohibition...


even now and oddly enough, the same thing that is happening with cannabis, has already happened with alcohol and when pharmacies were "allowed" to sell "medicinal wine"... they had to give it a "medical taste" in order to "justify" its sale and use... (sound familiar???)

the govt even went to great lengths and literally poisoned the ethyl alcohol on a large scale in order to "try and stop people from its use" and that ended up killing many... (kinda like how fields of crops were sprayed with poison) (again sound familiar???)

synthetic "alcohols" called sterno or "canned heat" were used as a substitute and many people died and or became ill from its use... (kinda like "synthetic cannabis" or "spice" which is used today, and again, the same and unfortunately harmful result that has occurred because of the unavailability of REAL cannabis...)

im just saying that as "history repeats itself"...(again)...

we can all just simply speed up the process to get rid of prohibition, and just end the bullshit already, instead of letting it drag out much longer than need be...

the longer this stupid thing drags out the more harm it causes... (the harm that is... is of course ONLY from the prohibition... rather than the actual drug itself...

Nothing you are talking about is new or special. How is the change going for you? What about your approach will make it succeed where countless others have failed? Prohibition is a huge money maker for those in opposition how or with what would you replace this economic driver with that matches the social attitude of those receiving the benefits from marijuana prohibition?

irieie said:

Nothing you are talking about is new or special. How is the change going for you? What about your approach will make it succeed where countless others have failed? Prohibition is a huge money maker for those in opposition how or with what would you replace this economic driver with that matches the social attitude of those receiving the benefits from marijuana prohibition?

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duh... of course its not new or special... did you not see how i made that point by stating that history is repeating itself...

the approach is Simple... there are only so few who are the "moneymakers" aka people who run the banks and major corporations... and there are millions of those who support the free use of cannabis... you do the math...

and to those who need "such economic driving" since those bankers and politicians and corporate ceo's and others, are so "desperately in need of prohibition"...

i say in jest...

let them eat cake...

if prohibition ended... it would be as if they didnt get to take in one atom of food for their greedy bodies... so tough shit as they say... its not like theyre going to starve ever...


is it just me... or does it seem like the ones who should be supporting the free use of cannabis... oppose it for some weird reason???

whats your problem???

if this "25" mile "rule" is such a big issue... which it is btw... and since it is unfair and unjust, and would force the poor people who cannot afford hundreds of dollars or so a month for medicine they so desperately need...

then just gather say 25,000(call it a thousand people per mile march or something or whatever) and that should be enough people, and just march your silly asses down to phoenix... and let them know its bullshit and you are going to disregard it, and of course peacefully let them know... that you arent going to allow the bs to continue...

there... problem solved...

i mean come on with 10% of the az population out of work... so out of the total pop of az which is 6.5 million people...

its not like it would be so difficult for 10% of the total pop to "take a day or two off" and do something about it... and thats 650,000 people right there... which would be of course excessive...

only 25,000 would be more than enough... which is just a Fraction of that 650,000... and is more than enough people to make a substantial peaceful demonstration...

The pending Fed and State lawsuits are a red herring. We the voters past this initiative including the 25-mile rule. WHOOPS! It is too late to get initiative on upcoming November ballot. However, 2013 is doable. Under AZ law, a proposed draft needs to be approved and then signatures need to be obtained. The number required are as follows:

The number of signatures required to qualify an initiative for the ballot is tied to the number of votes cast for the office of Arizona governor in the most recent gubernatorial election. The number of signatures to qualify a statute is 10% of votes cast for governor and 15% to qualify a constitutional amendment . The number of signatures required to qualify a veto referendum is 5% of votes cast for governor . Once the signatures are submitted, they are validated via random sampling by the Arizona Secretary of State. This process usually takes about a month.

Unless someone undertakes this task, the 25-mile rule will be the law of the land. End of story.

ElusiveQuark said:

The pending Fed and State lawsuits are a red herring. We the voters past this initiative including the 25-mile rule. WHOOPS! It is too late to get initiative on upcoming November ballot. However, 2013 is doable. Under AZ law, a proposed draft needs to be approved and then signatures need to be obtained. The number required are as follows:

The number of signatures required to qualify an initiative for the ballot is tied to the number of votes cast for the office of Arizona governor in the most recent gubernatorial election. The number of signatures to qualify a statute is 10% of votes cast for governor and 15% to qualify a constitutional amendment . The number of signatures required to qualify a veto referendum is 5% of votes cast for governor . Once the signatures are submitted, they are validated via random sampling by the Arizona Secretary of State. This process usually takes about a month.

Unless someone undertakes this task, the 25-mile rule will be the law of the land. End of story.

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This would be the proper way to do it my friend... That is for sure...

So who, what , where, and how shall this get done?

ElusiveQuark said:

Unless someone undertakes this task, the 25-mile rule will be the law of the land. End of story.

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sorry but the supreme "law of the land" is still common law...

which is a good thing by the way...

all other acts of "legislation" are just statutes etc... and hold only power under consent...

if you simply do not consent... they hold no power...

but anyways... if you want to go about doing it under "their rules" and by default giving over your consent to be ruled over...

here is the data from ballotpedia...

[h=2]Ballot measures[/h] The number of signatures required to qualify an initiative for the ballot is tied to the number of votes cast for the office of Arizona governor in the most recent gubernatorial election. The number of signatures to qualify a statute is 10% of votes cast for governor and 15% to qualify a constitutional amendment . The number of signatures required to qualify a veto referendum is 5% of votes cast for governor . Once the signatures are submitted, they are validated via random sampling by the Arizona Secretary of State. This process usually takes about a month.
See law: Arizona Constitution, Article IV, Part 1, Section 1, ¶ 2-3, 7
[h=3]Basis of calculation[/h] 1,728,081 votes were cast for governor in the 2010 election.[SUP][19][/SUP]
[h=3]Recall[/h] To recall in Arizona, 25% of the votes cast in the last election for the official being recalled is required in signatures.
[h=3]Signature deadlines[/h] [h=4]2012[/h] The 2012 deadline to qualify initiatives on the Arizona ballot is July 5, 2012 by 5:00 PM-Mountain Time[SUP][20][/SUP].

so basically you would need about 90,000 votes before the independence holiday... AND even then your "representatives" you voted for to make stupid legislation to rule over you... can just reject the proposed veto... and or drag it through till they have the necessary "votes" they need to just defeat it...

then that would really be the end of the story for it to change... unless you then all kick out the current officials now, or during the next "election" and elect new officials...

(that is if you can hope and have wishful thinking that any "new officials" wont just keep doing the same damn thing that suits them and their business (the state of az that is)... and just keep screwing over its people...