What can a patient do about the "25 Mile Rule" ?

E

ElusiveQuark

Member
cannofbliss said:
so basically you would need about 90,000 votes before the independence holiday... AND even then your "representatives" you voted for to make stupid legislation to rule over you... can just reject the proposed veto... and or drag it through till they have the necessary "votes" they need to just defeat it...

then that would really be the end of the story for it to change... unless you then all kick out the current officials now, or during the next "election" and elect new officials...

(that is if you can hope and have wishful thinking that any "new officials" wont just keep doing the same damn thing that suits them and their business (the state of az that is)... and just keep screwing over its people...
Click to expand...
Your statement is incorrect. First, you need to get signatures prior to the issue making the ballot for vote. Second, rather than the Veto Referendum, the proper vehicle would probably be the citizens statutory initiative which requires approx. 173,000 signatures. Third, signatures must be filed 4 months prior to the election in question, which is July 5 as you correctly stated, thus, there is not enough time to collect and verify signatures to make the Nov. 2012 ballot. Lastly, AZ legislators CANNOT REPEAL A SUCCESSFUL INITIATIVE They can amend a law but only if it furthers the purpose of the law and then only with a 3/4 supermajority vote.

It has been my experience that collecting and verifying signatures ends up costing approx. $1.00 per signature. Thus, successfully collecting and filing the necessary signatures for such an initiative would likely cost in the neighborhood of $178,000. Consequently, if every MMJ cardholder in AZ kicked in $5.00 that would be enough cash to see this thing through.

Since reading these posts earlier, I have spoken with a few local shop owners and apparently a Org will be created (think LOBBYISTS for cultivators) that will spearhead the ballot drive. I will post the info here once I have all the details. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SIGN THE BALLOT ELECTRONICALLY. IT WILL BE IMPERATIVE THAT YOU ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE, AND PROVIDE ALL CURRENT/CORRECT INFO IN THE PRECISE FORMAT REQUESTED. Much of the cost associated with such a ballot drive stems from verifying the info provided by signers which turns out to be incorrect or improperly formatted. Those signatures need to be culled prior to submission and don't count. If every MMJ cardholder in AZ signs the petition and aggressively and immediately causes 7 other people to sign the petition than we would have nearly the needed number of signatures. It would be awesome to make the upcoming ballot but I do not see that happening.

Keep checking back for initiative info.

I would like to hear, in brief, your argument for why the 25-mile rule should be removed from the statute, keeping in mind that the average voting AZ citizen is the target audience. Persuade your next door neighbor that you should be able to grow 12 plants in your house next door. That is the task people! Lets hear it.
 
phxfire

phxfire

New Member
ElusiveQuark said:
I would like to hear, in brief, your argument for why the 25-mile rule should be removed from the statute, keeping in mind that the average voting AZ citizen is the target audience. Persuade your next door neighbor that you should be able to grow 12 plants in your house next door. That is the task people! Lets hear it.
Click to expand...
Arizona Constitution:

Equal privileges and immunities:
Section 13
No law shall be enacted granting to any citizen, class of citizens, or corporation other than municipal, privileges or immunities which, upon the same terms, shall not equally belong to all citizens or corporations.

Dispensaries are given the authorization to cultivate and patients are not able to cultivate if they reside 25 miles from a dispensary...
The "25 Mile Rule" Violates Our Arizona Constitution....

Forcing patients to play monopoly with dispensaries and the AzDHS is the Banker... But on this Monopoly board you never receive $200 for passing GO.

I have about $1.5 million in monopoly money can I buy my medicine from a dispensary? If so, I have no problem with the "25 Mile Rule"


“The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.”
Abraham Lincoln

The burden of abiding by the law will create lawsuits or further problems for the success of the Medical Marijuana Program in Arizona and hopefully elimating the "25 Mile Rule" in the process. Common law is the law of the land. A judge can amend the Statues if it is found inconstant with the Common Law. Are you unawre of the lawsuit brought forth to amend parts of the AMMA for dispensary owners? Where there is money there will be change. Forcing the poor and sick into a game that will not be won; the victors have been choosen.

"25 Mile Rule" aka A.R.S. 36-2804.02(f)
 A designation as to who will be allowed to cultivate marijuana plants for the qualifying patient's medical use if a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary is not operating within twenty-five miles of the qualifying patient's home.


My thought-
A patient or patients will get arrested and challenge the Constitutionality of the "25 Mile Rule" for their arrest!!
 
I

irieie

Well-Known Member
Why should we get rid of the 25 mile rule. A plight to your neighbors:

As you may be aware, our state has passed a medical marijuana initiative and created a state run program for sick people with qualifying conditions to use medical marijuana to help alleviate their symptoms. Qualifying conditions include cancer, chronic pain, aids, hepatitis c, wasting syndrome among others. The people using marijuana do so with the recommendation of a medical doctor and which is then verified by the state. Because marijuana is illegal under federal law, no insurance will cover the cost of medication. The good part though is that this is a medicine which patients are capable of.producing for themselves. Currently there are over 25,000 registered patients according to azdhs. Of those they all have the option of growing their own clean organic low cost medicine in the privacy of their own homes. The way it is right now keeps drugs off the streets and in the privacy of a patients home where it is out of public view. This may be one of the reasons why you may not even be aware that the amma exists. The way the system is right now prevents marijuana from being marketed and openly available to anyone walking by a store. This means that young adults and teens do not even come into contact with medical marijuana and drug counter culture is kept at bay. But this perfectly quiet and private system is about to become at risk of being replaced by a more flamboyant, in your face public system. Pretty soon dispensaries will be opening in your neighborhood. At first this may seem like it would help patients whom are in desperate need of their medicine. But this is merely a facade for out of state investors to come.in and profit from patients and publisize their products. They will be competing against one another and marketing to anyone who. Ouod be a potential buyer. This same group of investors came into our state and took over the ballot initiative. They inserted a clause in order to monopolize the supply of medicine in the entire state. They wrote a provision stating that if a dispensary opens within 25 miles of where a patient lives, that patient is no longer allowed to produce their own low cost life saving medicine. So lets say I live in Tempe and a dispensary opens in north Scottsdale, then I am forced to buy my medicine from them and I can no longer make it for myself. That's like making a rule that no one can grow their own vegetables if they live within 25 miles of a supermarket, or no one living within 25 miles of a McDonald's can make their own hamburger. At first this may seem like it is an improvement of quality control or a way for the local economies and state to generate more revenue. But this is not the way it was designed. These same out of state investors sued the state into allowing people from out of state and convicted felons to run these dispensaries. In effect we have set up a great business model for the cartels to come in and run the show while the money generated is sent out of state or even back to Mexico. In addition once the dispensaries have setup shop and barred patients from producing their own medicine, they can then charge whatever price they wish. This will help them pad their pockets at the expense of sick patients dying with cancer and aids. So I am asking you today to help these dying people produce their own medicine. I also need your signature to help.prevent a cartel like monopoly of a state sanctioned drug distribution system. Help me keep the amma for patients and out of the temptations of our youth. If you sign this petition today you will be helping to ensure that medical marijuana stay medical and does not urn into the glorification of drug culture the way it has gone in California. Help me keep our neighborhoods safe and or dying patients from being taken advantage of by out of state pot profit barons. Thanks for your time and I hope we can accomplish our goal for a safer Arizona for families and our youth.
 
PixiDustr

PixiDustr

Active Member
Very nicely written.
irieie said:
Why should we get rid of the 25 mile rule. A plight to your neighbors:

As you may be aware, our state has passed a medical marijuana initiative and created a state run program for sick people with qualifying conditions to use medical marijuana to help alleviate their symptoms. Qualifying conditions include cancer, chronic pain, aids, hepatitis c, wasting syndrome among others. The people using marijuana do so with the recommendation of a medical doctor and which is then verified by the state. Because marijuana is illegal under federal law, no insurance will cover the cost of medication. The good part though is that this is a medicine which patients are capable of.producing for themselves. Currently there are over 25,000 registered patients according to azdhs. Of those they all have the option of growing their own clean organic low cost medicine in the privacy of their own homes. The way it is right now keeps drugs off the streets and in the privacy of a patients home where it is out of public view. This may be one of the reasons why you may not even be aware that the amma exists. The way the system is right now prevents marijuana from being marketed and openly available to anyone walking by a store. This means that young adults and teens do not even come into contact with medical marijuana and drug counter culture is kept at bay. But this perfectly quiet and private system is about to become at risk of being replaced by a more flamboyant, in your face public system. Pretty soon dispensaries will be opening in your neighborhood. At first this may seem like it would help patients whom are in desperate need of their medicine. But this is merely a facade for out of state investors to come.in and profit from patients and publisize their products. They will be competing against one another and marketing to anyone who. Ouod be a potential buyer. This same group of investors came into our state and took over the ballot initiative. They inserted a clause in order to monopolize the supply of medicine in the entire state. They wrote a provision stating that if a dispensary opens within 25 miles of where a patient lives, that patient is no longer allowed to produce their own low cost life saving medicine. So lets say I live in Tempe and a dispensary opens in north Scottsdale, then I am forced to buy my medicine from them and I can no longer make it for myself. That's like making a rule that no one can grow their own vegetables if they live within 25 miles of a supermarket, or no one living within 25 miles of a McDonald's can make their own hamburger. At first this may seem like it is an improvement of quality control or a way for the local economies and state to generate more revenue. But this is not the way it was designed. These same out of state investors sued the state into allowing people from out of state and convicted felons to run these dispensaries. In effect we have set up a great business model for the cartels to come in and run the show while the money generated is sent out of state or even back to Mexico. In addition once the dispensaries have setup shop and barred patients from producing their own medicine, they can then charge whatever price they wish. This will help them pad their pockets at the expense of sick patients dying with cancer and aids. So I am asking you today to help these dying people produce their own medicine. I also need your signature to help.prevent a cartel like monopoly of a state sanctioned drug distribution system. Help me keep the amma for patients and out of the temptations of our youth. If you sign this petition today you will be helping to ensure that medical marijuana stay medical and does not urn into the glorification of drug culture the way it has gone in California. Help me keep our neighborhoods safe and or dying patients from being taken advantage of by out of state pot profit barons. Thanks for your time and I hope we can accomplish our goal for a safer Arizona for families and our youth.
Click to expand...
 
I

irieie

Well-Known Member
PixiDustr said:
Very nicely written.
Click to expand...
Thanks I just blasted that out on my phone while I was waiting for my girlfriend. I did not have a chance to proof read or edit and typing on my phone can be a pain especially with the autocorrect.

If you like what I have written then take it and share the points I have made with others. I wrote this piece with an audience of the average conservative arizonan who does not use marijuana and has a slight bias toward it. All points are valid and can be verified. Please use this to start a narrative with your neighbors and lets start telling people about this.
 
phxfire

phxfire

New Member
We hold these truths to be self-evident:
that all men are created equal; that they
are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable rights; that among these are life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Thomas Jefferson

One great object of the Constitution was to
restrain majorities from oppressing minorities
or encroaching upon their just rights.
James K. Polk (Arizona would not be Arizona without Polk)

All initiation of force is a violation of someone
else's rights, whether initiated by an individual
or the state, for the benefit of an individual or
group of individuals, even if it's supposed to be
for the benefit of another individual or group of
individuals.
Ron Paul

The most important element of a free society,
where individual rights are held in the highest
esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
Ron Paul
 
L

Lucius Vorenus

Well-Known Member
irieie said:
Why should we get rid of the 25 mile rule. A plight to your neighbors:

As you may be aware, our state has passed a medical marijuana initiative and created a state run program for sick people with qualifying conditions to use medical marijuana to help alleviate their symptoms. Qualifying conditions include cancer, chronic pain, aids, hepatitis c, wasting syndrome among others. The people using marijuana do so with the recommendation of a medical doctor and which is then verified by the state. Because marijuana is illegal under federal law, no insurance will cover the cost of medication. The good part though is that this is a medicine which patients are capable of.producing for themselves. Currently there are over 25,000 registered patients according to azdhs. Of those they all have the option of growing their own clean organic low cost medicine in the privacy of their own homes. The way it is right now keeps drugs off the streets and in the privacy of a patients home where it is out of public view. This may be one of the reasons why you may not even be aware that the amma exists. The way the system is right now prevents marijuana from being marketed and openly available to anyone walking by a store. This means that young adults and teens do not even come into contact with medical marijuana and drug counter culture is kept at bay. But this perfectly quiet and private system is about to become at risk of being replaced by a more flamboyant, in your face public system. Pretty soon dispensaries will be opening in your neighborhood. At first this may seem like it would help patients whom are in desperate need of their medicine. But this is merely a facade for out of state investors to come.in and profit from patients and publisize their products. They will be competing against one another and marketing to anyone who. Ouod be a potential buyer. This same group of investors came into our state and took over the ballot initiative. They inserted a clause in order to monopolize the supply of medicine in the entire state. They wrote a provision stating that if a dispensary opens within 25 miles of where a patient lives, that patient is no longer allowed to produce their own low cost life saving medicine. So lets say I live in Tempe and a dispensary opens in north Scottsdale, then I am forced to buy my medicine from them and I can no longer make it for myself. That's like making a rule that no one can grow their own vegetables if they live within 25 miles of a supermarket, or no one living within 25 miles of a McDonald's can make their own hamburger. At first this may seem like it is an improvement of quality control or a way for the local economies and state to generate more revenue. But this is not the way it was designed. These same out of state investors sued the state into allowing people from out of state and convicted felons to run these dispensaries. In effect we have set up a great business model for the cartels to come in and run the show while the money generated is sent out of state or even back to Mexico. In addition once the dispensaries have setup shop and barred patients from producing their own medicine, they can then charge whatever price they wish. This will help them pad their pockets at the expense of sick patients dying with cancer and aids. So I am asking you today to help these dying people produce their own medicine. I also need your signature to help.prevent a cartel like monopoly of a state sanctioned drug distribution system. Help me keep the amma for patients and out of the temptations of our youth. If you sign this petition today you will be helping to ensure that medical marijuana stay medical and does not urn into the glorification of drug culture the way it has gone in California. Help me keep our neighborhoods safe and or dying patients from being taken advantage of by out of state pot profit barons. Thanks for your time and I hope we can accomplish our goal for a safer Arizona for families and our youth.
Click to expand...
damn can a brotha buy a paragraph break here and there?? :lol:
 
phxfire

phxfire

New Member
Isn't it funny how folks can get off track with such non sense...

Hey LV

What is your argument for why the 25-mile rule should be removed from the statute?
 
L

Lucius Vorenus

Well-Known Member
phxfire said:
Isn't it funny how folks can get off track with such non sense...

Hey LV

What is your argument for why the 25-mile rule should be removed from the statute?
Click to expand...
Hate it. Hope it gets removed. It needs to be done the right way though. The folks of AZ resting on the hopes this case by Hayes doing it is not gonna cut it.

The right people need to get behind this and do it the right way.
 
phxfire

phxfire

New Member
Lucius Vorenus said:
Hate it. Hope it gets removed. It needs to be done the right way though. The folks of AZ resting on the hopes this case by Hayes doing it is not gonna cut it.

The right people need to get behind this and do it the right way.
Click to expand...
My friend, I tell you the right folks are you, me and every citizen of Arizona who believes forcing patients into a monopoly model of healthcare is unconstitutional or unfair. This issue can be voiced to all citizens of Arizona not just MMJ patients. If Hayes vs. Arizona ceases to carry out a purpose, yes, the next route will be through another initiative which will be possible by 2013 voting season. I encourage every patient and non patient to help fight for equal rights afforded to us by the Arizona Medical Marijuana Act of 2010. I have met alot of great patients since the AMMA was written into Law and have seen with my eyes the healing powers of Cannabis.

As disorganized voices we will not be heard instead it becomes chatter and non sense but together patients shall have a voice if efforts are combined.

Billboard advertising works great in situations like this... NORML would be the prime organization to endorse this billboard.
I can see it now... On the I-10 in PHX - Vote YES on PROP.... Equal Rights For Patients
 
fatboyOGOF

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
i'm going to wait to see where all the dispensaries are and then look for a rental at least 1 mile away. i may not move, but i'll definately think about it. i'm thinking these areas will attract those of us who can pick up and move.

i'm pretty much set for awhile so i'm just going to wait and watch.


keep in mind that med pot passed by a ridiculously small number of votes. it can be repealed in no time. we need to keep our heads down for awhile and let things work before talking about changes in the law. everytime the med pot community wants something changed, those who hate us say SEE, we told you!
 
apothecarist

apothecarist

Well-Known Member
fatboyOGOF said:
i'm going to wait to see where all the dispensaries are and then look for a rental at least 1 mile away. i may not move, but i'll definately think about it. i'm thinking these areas will attract those of us who can pick up and move.

i'm pretty much set for awhile so i'm just going to wait and watch.


keep in mind that med pot passed by a ridiculously small number of votes. it can be repealed in no time. we need to keep our heads down for awhile and let things work before talking about changes in the law. everytime the med pot community wants something changed, those who hate us say SEE, we told you!
Click to expand...

If every CHAA gets a dispensary it will be pretty damn hard to find a rental outside the 25 mile zone. They have them located specifically to eliminate as many growers as possible. You will literally have to live in the middle of fucking nowhere. http://www.azdhs.gov/medicalmarijuana/documents/dispensaries/DispensaryApplications.pdf
 
BeaverHuntr

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
apothecarist said:
If every CHAA gets a dispensary it will be pretty damn hard to find a rental outside the 25 mile zone. They have them located specifically to eliminate as many growers as possible. You will literally have to live in the middle of fucking nowhere. http://www.azdhs.gov/medicalmarijuana/documents/dispensaries/DispensaryApplications.pdf
Click to expand...
This is true.. I know one grower who told me he was moving to Tonapah just to be sure.. Tonapah is pretty much by the Palo Verde Plant about 30 Minutes west of Buckeye, AZ
 
apothecarist

apothecarist

Well-Known Member
Just doesn't seem worth it. Any money you'd save on meds you will spend on gas. I don't even think you'll be able to unload excess to a dispensary and expect any compensation. The whole thing is just shit.
 
I

irieie

Well-Known Member
There are so many factors and so many balls in the air that I am just gonna keep my head down stay small potatoes and watch this cluster fuck play out. No sense in making big plans that could fall through the very next month.
 
fatboyOGOF

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
apothecarist said:
If every CHAA gets a dispensary it will be pretty damn hard to find a rental outside the 25 mile zone. They have them located specifically to eliminate as many growers as possible. You will literally have to live in the middle of fucking nowhere. http://www.azdhs.gov/medicalmarijuana/documents/dispensaries/DispensaryApplications.pdf
Click to expand...
thanks. that's helpful. i'm thinking a few of these smaller towns wont draw dispensaries.

i'm really not sure what i'm going to do, probably nothing, but i'm retired, have an open lease and a HUGE desire to grow in a greenhouse (with a lock of course). i'd prefer outdoors naturally, but i'll take what they'll give me. after growing indoors for awhile, i just really want to see what the big halide in the sky can do with some of my heavyer yeilding genetics and a 7 gall smart pot. makes me drool.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top