What differentiates a new grower to an experienced grower?

whitebb2727

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I'm not sensitive bud, but you have to agree could've just said, rookie mistakes are overwatering, transplant shock etc.

Anzohaze had problems, with me and many others. But like people have said it wasn't the first time he's broken rules, he's banned doesn't that sum it up?

You don't have to take me so literal.
Your abrasive and annoying.

A new grower will buy a cloned male and wonder what went wrong. An expierienced grower will know where to buy females. A new grower will over water a plant and wonder what went wrong. An expierienced grower will know exactly how much water the plant needs. A new grower will over nute a plant and wonder what went wrong. A new grower will put 2 inches of soil in a 5 gallon pot and when his plant dies, he wonders what went wrong. A new grower will transplant his seedling into a state of shock and wonder what went wrong etc. etc. etc.
Nothing dickish here. The title of the thread wants the difference of a new and experienced grower. This post states literally says the same thing your title did, "new grower."

You got you feathers ruffled over nothing and called the guy a dick even though he didn't do anything.

So, ummmmm, yea. Your sensitive.

If the dude was a dick please explain how or admit you were wrong.
 

Feisty1UR

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Your abrasive and annoying.


Nothing sickish here. The title of the thread wants the difference of a new and experienced grower. This post states literally says the same thing your title did, "new grower."

You got you feathers ruffled over nothing and called the guy a dick eben though he didn't do anything.

So, ummmmm, yea. Your sensitive.

If the dude was a dick please explain how or admit you were wrong.
Jesus Christ man, "Instead of being a dick about it" as in dickin about.. just get straight to the point.

I'm from the UK. Maybe we have different lingo to you, idk.

I wasn't trying to offend the guy,

Why do you always seem to want to pick a little cyber fight with me? I don't see what I did wrong...
 
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whitebb2727

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Jesus Christ man, "Instead of being a dick about it" as in dickin about.. just get straight to the point.

I'm from the UK. Maybe we have different lingo to you, idk.

I wasn't trying to offend the guy,

Why do you always seem to want to pick a little cyber fight with me? I don't see what I did wrong...
I'm not picking a fight. Maybe it is a difference in dialect.

Just being straight up.

I don't know if I like your or not. I'm leaning towards not. Even so, I still gave you advice and answered the question.

Remember a smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from others mistakes.
 

az2000

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Why do you always seem to want to pick a little cyber fight with me? I don't see what I did wrong...
Maybe the best indicator of when you're experienced: when you have hubris -- and get irritated at the inexperienced complaining about the experienced. :wink:

Just get your experience, then you can set the standard which you believe should exist.

BTW: The ignore button can be useful if you think someone is more distracting than contributing.
 

fjbudboy

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I'm a beginner myself, but my observations so far are that every garden has some variables. In order to provide the ideal environment it may take a few cycles to dial it in. I think also experienced growers have accumulated the essential items to provide said environment which beginners may not, due to additional startup investment or lack of foresight.
 

Feisty1UR

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I'm a beginner myself, but my observations so far are that every garden has some variables. In order to provide the ideal environment it may take a few cycles to dial it in. I think also experienced growers have accumulated the essential items to provide said environment which beginners may not, due to additional startup investment or lack of foresight.
Every garden has somewhat the same variables depending on method, some people use aeroponics, some DWC or the standard seed to pot. Each to their own. Imo I think DWC is probably the best overall method for consistency. Hardly any room for screwups.

But I'm using the standard seed to pot for now, until I get a handle on how to grow efficiently. I definitely would like to try DWC, but I don't think I'm at that stage yet.

I need a few grows under my belt first, as do you my man. I'm looking into extra nutrients now, such as seaweed extract (kelp). But I'll probably use that on my next grow and see how much of a difference it makes. I've orderded some black-strap molasses too, they should be coming through any day now. Can't wait to start feeding these little babys, I'll give it another 2-3 weeks until then.

Good luck to you bro :D
 

hotrodharley

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Every garden has somewhat the same variables depending on method, some people use aeroponics, some DWC or the standard seed to pot. Each to their own. Imo I think DWC is probably the best overall method for consistency. Hardly any room for screwups.

But I'm using the standard seed to pot for now, until I get a handle on how to grow efficiently. I definitely would like to try DWC, but I don't think I'm at that stage yet.

I need a few grows under my belt first, as do you my man. I'm looking into extra nutrients now, such as seaweed extract (kelp). But I'll probably use that on my next grow and see how much of a difference it makes. I've orderded some black-strap molasses too, they should be coming through any day now. Can't wait to start feeding these little babys, I'll give it another 2-3 weeks until then.

Good luck to you bro :D
READ! About EC, PPM, TDS and the differences in the 3. Buy good meters like Hanna or Blue Labs. Use them making your feeds for your soil grow. I do. Once you get that down DWC is a cakewalk. You can watch the bitches grow if you sit and have a toke for 5 minutes. But READ. Read about reservoir problems, swapping out the solution etc and do it BEFORE you buy a bucket.

Which, by the way, are 3 for $11 at Home Depot. You MUST order ONLINE and pick them up at that price. Screw those $12 Hydrofarm units which are inferior to the HD.
 

hotrodharley

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I mean as in, people say new growers can expect to have a yield of roughly 2-3 oz indoors per plant, whereas more experienced growers can expect atleast a QP from a single plant.

Surely If a new grower followed an experienced growers entire grow step for step they can average the same yield?

What extra steps do more experienced growers do to yield more? I always thought a simple guide of water, nutrients, light, genetics, fim/top/lst etc - are the only methods to get the most out of your plant. The first 3 obviously being essential.

I understand, humidity, temperature, light cycles, co2 levels etc play a big part. But surely that alone wouldn't yield an extra 5-6 oz off a plant. o_O
Your figures are way off. It takes time, experience and money. Some yield a single zip off 6 plants. Others get 4 zips off a single plant. It is a huge combination of factors including choice of strains and grow methods.
 

Feisty1UR

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I already have an understanding of ppm, and ec reading. I've got blue labs ec pen. Pretty expensive for what it is...

So if I really wanted to, I could go straight into the deep end and give DWC a shot
 

hotrodharley

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I already have an understanding of ppm, and ec reading. I've got blue labs ec pen. Pretty expensive for what it is...

So if I really wanted to, I could go straight into the deep end and give DWC a shot
If you understand EC/PPM and equip yourself (chiller!) DWC is a cakewalk. Biggest plants I have ever grown. With a chiller canopy temps become far less critical.
 

kiwipaulie

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I think the biggest difference is that a experienced grower has more patience. New growers tend to over water and over fertilize. Less is more.

Check out the Mandela seeds website, they have some really good info in their grow guides. It will help you cut through the bullshit alot of "experienced growers" even do here.
 

kmog33

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I think a lot of the difference between and experienced grower and a newbie is choices and preferences in the beginning and along the way that you make based on your experiences growing. Knowing how to react when things go wrong with your plants and what the things are that are actually wrong. with strains when you learn them specifically, you know how to feed them and train/abuse them and what they can take to put out their max potential. It's all the little things along the way that are just second nature instead of having to weed through 1000 contradictory comments on Riu to make a guess at what is wrong with your plants/setup.

Harvest, dry and curing is also something that you just kind of learn to do and not think about much. Newbies overthink everything. Experienced growers have patience, newbies generally don't.

And you can't gain experience by reading and following to the t. Strictly following an experienced growers methods means knowing how to react exactly how they do, when they do, in the time that they do. You just can't copy and make it work the same.


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Dr. Who

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you answered your own question.
its experience that makes it the difference.

even if you follow a growers info to a T , something is bound to be a little different in some aspect.


its just what it is, its experience

a good example of this is
you get 1 recipe for a baking item,

i guarantee a new baker , or less experienced baker will have different results than someone who is a professional culinary baker regardless of both having the same recipe
its just literally experience with experience comes wisdom and you the experienced person just knows little tidbits and tricks
NICELY said! Love the baker thing!
 

GroErr

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It's in the details, details like having dialed in everything like your water supply, when and when not to water, feed amounts and schedules, knowing when a plant is ready to flower - or not, being selective about phenos and not flowering anything that comes up through the soil. Handling problems becomes second nature and you don't freak out about little shit like one leaf with a def on a 5gal plant. Knowing how to pick phenos, keeping your perpetual schedule going so there's no downtime, dialing in the room through different seasons becomes second nature, drying and curing properly etc. When all of the above (plus a lot more I'm sure I left out) becomes second nature but you don't forget the basics or forget that even though you have experience you know shit, then your yields become the difference between 2 or 4 oz. per plant.
 

Feisty1UR

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It's in the details, details like having dialed in everything like your water supply, when and when not to water, feed amounts and schedules, knowing when a plant is ready to flower - or not, being selective about phenos and not flowering anything that comes up through the soil. Handling problems becomes second nature and you don't freak out about little shit like one leaf with a def on a 5gal plant. Knowing how to pick phenos, keeping your perpetual schedule going so there's no downtime, dialing in the room through different seasons becomes second nature, drying and curing properly etc. When all of the above (plus a lot more I'm sure I left out) becomes second nature but you don't forget the basics or forget that even though you have experience you know shit, then your yields become the difference between 2 or 4 oz. per plant.
Water supply is roughly every 3-4 days, from what I've been told. I'll just stick to the good old fashioned lift the bucket, if it feels light, water.

Thanks for the advice! I'll be running Canna A+B, cal-mag and PK 13/14 and blackstrap molasses for my feeding schedules. Is there anything else I could probably benefit from?

I've looked into liquid seaweed extract (kelp) too. May have to try using that on the next one, sounds like good stuff.
 

GroErr

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Water supply is roughly every 3-4 days, from what I've been told. I'll just stick to the good old fashioned lift the bucket, if it feels light, water.

Thanks for the advice! I'll be running Canna A+B, cal-mag and PK 13/14 and blackstrap molasses for my feeding schedules. Is there anything else I could probably benefit from?

I've looked into liquid seaweed extract (kelp) too. May have to try using that on the next one, sounds like good stuff.
I grow in a mix of soil and pro-mix so don't feed much until they get into flowering and even then lightly. I don't use any add-ins just A&B adjusted over time through testing and observation of how the plants behave at different cycle stages. I switched from fully organic after a few rounds of indoor and it took a while to try different feed schedules/amounts to get it dialed in. My suggestion there (and anytime you're trying something new) would be to document the shit out of any changes, try different amounts and watch each strain until you see some slight tip burn, then back off. Finding the sweet spot will differ depending on what nutes and medium you're using, it's difficult to pin it down or come up with a specific formula as there are too many variables. I don't think there's a lot of difference between nutrient brands (e.g. this is better than that) but dialing in the nutes you're using to the medium you're using is more important imo, and that takes slow and documented adjustments while observing the effects.
 

Feisty1UR

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I grow in a mix of soil and pro-mix so don't feed much until they get into flowering and even then lightly. I don't use any add-ins just A&B adjusted over time through testing and observation of how the plants behave at different cycle stages. I switched from fully organic after a few rounds of indoor and it took a while to try different feed schedules/amounts to get it dialed in. My suggestion there (and anytime you're trying something new) would be to document the shit out of any changes, try different amounts and watch each strain until you see some slight tip burn, then back off. Finding the sweet spot will differ depending on what nutes and medium you're using, it's difficult to pin it down or come up with a specific formula as there are too many variables. I don't think there's a lot of difference between nutrient brands (e.g. this is better than that) but dialing in the nutes you're using to the medium you're using is more important imo, and that takes slow and documented adjustments while observing the effects.
You only use A&B? Next grow I'll use your medium and compare. I have a feeling straight coco won't have all the bacteria, micro-organisms + other essential things that soil has in it (Still need to read up on alot of this).

I'll take your advice, I'll have my journal ready, once the 3rd set of leaves grow in I'll start at a 1/4 strength recommended dose and build up see what works best. If it tolerates it I'll add in a bit more.

Can I add anything beforehand to kick-start the little seedlings? The coco scares me, because It has nothing in it. The babys are only getting water, and light.

I'll follow your grow guide for sure!
 

lawlrus

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I have a simple way to tell if someone is a newbie or experienced: if they say they're an expert, they're not. If they admit they don't know a thing and still have a ton to learn despite whatever experience they may have, they would qualify as an experienced grower. Be wary of anyone who thinks he or she has it all figured out.
 
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