What do you believe is the fundamental problem with [American] government?

What do you believe is the fundamental problem with [American] government?

  • I don't believe a government should exist. That society would be better off without

  • Poor creation/execution of legislation

  • Incompetence/Inability/Ineptitude

  • Corruption

  • The authority of government: Executive orders v. Addressing Congress

  • The size of the government: Big v. Small

  • Efficiency of government

  • Racism/sexism/classism/other/etc.

  • Capitalism*

  • Other

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ttystikk

ttystikk

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undercovergrow said:
a little socialism is like asking a woman to be a little pregnant. it's either collectivism or individualism for a social system - had the people of Roosevelt's time understood a little socialism leads to a lot of socialism we wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now.

@ttystikk it is your opinion that it saves money but it does not. the healthcare system of NHS is severely burdened right now. even the healthcare expenses in the US is suffering because of ObamaCare - we are heading toward a single-payer system and we're all going to be screwed regarding healthcare very soon. everyone does need healthcare but i'm pretty much done "discussing" this topic with a bunch of obdurate socialists
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The difference between my 'opinion' and your 'facts' is that mine are backed up by statistics and hard numbers... And yours aren't.

And I'm going to stubbornly continue hammering my points home, because they are 'correct' and supportable by independent analysis. All you have is bullshit, smoke and mirrors.

I invited you to get an education on the subject. I'll leave you to it in the sincere hope you're intelligent enough to sense what you do not know and act to rectify the gap. If you aren't, then it is you who is being 'obdurate'.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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MadMel said:
You point one finger at me, not realizing that 3 of your fingers are pointing back at yourself.

Perhaps you should abide by the saying, "better to remain silent and let people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. "
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what was your previous user name? don't bullshit us.
 
undercovergrow

undercovergrow

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dagwood45431 said:
Did you tell hubby to fuck off or something?

Of course, really. What's is incorrect with that assertion?
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i'm not sure if you've noticed, but i've tried to be polite with you. men get ready freaky fast - it was his way of telling me he was getting ready, that i needed to be ready. i'm just waiting on him.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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undercovergrow said:
i've been very sick and i have forked over thousands of dollars for my own treatment. there's the essence of your argument.
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Fantastic. It's nothing compared to cancer. Isn't it great to be totally financially destroyed because of illness you had no control over?

I thought not.

Everyone else is in the same boat. Why not share the costs?

Which 'NHS'? If you're talking about Great Britain, it's only 'overburdened' because the capitalist leaning government is deliberately underfunding it in order to offer more tax cuts to wealthy individuals and mega corporations.

All so your illness can be extra money in someone else's pocket. There now... Don't you feel better?
 
undercovergrow

undercovergrow

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ttystikk said:
The difference between my 'opinion' and your 'facts' is that mine are backed up by statistics and hard numbers... And yours aren't.

And I'm going to stubbornly continue hammering my points home, because they are 'correct' and supportable by independent analysis. All you have is bullshit, smoke and mirrors.

I invited you to get an education on the subject. I'll leave you to it in the sincere hope you're intelligent enough to sense what you do not know and act to rectify the gap. If you aren't, then it is you who is being 'obdurate'.
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what fact have i presented that isn't true? anything that you have said is just the difference between our opinions and the perception we have of the issues.
 
undercovergrow

undercovergrow

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ttystikk said:
Fantastic. It's nothing compared to cancer. Isn't it great to be totally financially destroyed because of illness you had no control over?

I thought not.

Everyone else is in the same boat. Why not share the costs?

Which 'NHS'? If you're talking about Great Britain, it's only 'overburdened' because the capitalist leaning government is deliberately underfunding it in order to offer more tax cuts to wealthy individuals and mega corporations.

All so your illness can be extra money in someone else's pocket. There now... Don't you feel better?
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that's what insurance is - why involve the government and let them provide that service?
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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ttystikk said:
Fantastic. It's nothing compared to cancer. Isn't it great to be totally financially destroyed because of illness you had no control over?

I thought not.

Everyone else is in the same boat. Why not share the costs?

Which 'NHS'? If you're talking about Great Britain, it's only 'overburdened' because the capitalist leaning government is deliberately underfunding it in order to offer more tax cuts to wealthy individuals and mega corporations.

All so your illness can be extra money in someone else's pocket. There now... Don't you feel better?
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I can't wait for 2018 when her ideas get bitch slapped. We have that good old ACA momentum going with all these town halls.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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undercovergrow said:
@dagwood45431 you're amusing that you think you're so smart - my point since you missed it was i took care of myself because i had made decisions in my life to be prepared for an event such as that and was still screwed by the system with health insurance and still had to pay thousands of dollars for that care. you don't think i am not aware that the system if broken??
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Yet here you are, defending the health insurance company's 'right' to screw you over.

Makes PERFECT sense. :roll:

The fact that you think you're so smart without actually knowing much at all isn't amusing in the least.

It's dangerously foolhardy.
 
tampee

tampee

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Fogdog said:
Yep. I'm glad you have an understanding of the law. From your earlier rant, it wasn't clear that you did. It's a good thing the meat industry is regulated as I'm sure you agree.
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It's not a good thing it keeps the little man down..
 
MadMel

MadMel

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tangerinegreen555 said:
what was your previous user name? don't bullshit us.
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WTF are you talking about? I just joined this site a couple of days ago and never knew it existed before I joined the other day.

If you believe that I am someone else, I can assure you that you are mistaken.
 
dagwood45431

dagwood45431

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ttystikk said:
Yet here you are, defending the health insurance company's 'right' to screw you over.

Makes PERFECT sense. :roll:

The fact that you think you're so smart without actually knowing much at all isn't amusing in the least.

It's dangerously foolhardy.
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There's a logic gene missing or something.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
undercovergrow said:
no, you're confusing that corruption and capitalism are one and the same thing but they are not.
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I didn't say that.

Don't misrepresent me.

You are clearly out of your depth here.

It is easier to be corrupt with a capitalist system, and the proof is the society we live in.

Now you're being obtuse.
 
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