What does it take to yield BIG

adultswiivi said:

I also have a 220 line available and forced air furnace to heat the room if need be. It's always below freezing outside. Gonna grow all Coco coir. And start with the Lucas formula. I really don't wana lst and what not. Just grow em all up right. 6lbs is a lot. I know. But even to be able to pull 2lbs every 2 months should be enough. Also to mention power is 4cents a Kwh

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You have a good start. I also grow upright, I tried a scrog? It is drying now, Had a 600 HPS over it will clear @8 zips. It used a 2.3 corner of the room not a fail but holy shyt it's some potent blueberry.

With electricity that cheap I'd say cranyk it. Vent those lights and go.

I do not use a nutrient line on my "big" room. I grow solid organic.. if it does not come out of my pile it does not go in my plants anymore. I have it tuned pretty good now days. Took almost three years..hint.. So I cannot comment on the Nutrient line you are referring too, EXCEPT that ..and don't chastise me here, I think as good as some of the product lines are out there I think some are terribly overpriced. Some are effective, others are just Snake oil. Your research will guide you. I have been playing with the Dragonfly Earth products. Lush roots, the Brilliant green?, and mystic? Foliar tea's are pretty badass. I use them in a totally separate grow 30 miles away. This system could easily replace my three compost piles totaling 6-9 yds.. I was given some pretty nice "samples" Have to say that I am impressed. But they are expensive as far as that stuff goes. Once your soil is kicking ass it gets cheaper..

I recently had to pass on a huge light setup, could have got it for about half your budget. bulbs and ballasts, 8" vented heavy white steel winged Hoods, 12-600's, Switchable/dimmable ballasts..Lumatek< the purple ones? I am so kicking myself in the ass. Just did not have the cash on hand. Could have easily got it all for 1300. BUt this just shows also that the used market is always good.

I would start with four 1000w switchable 1000's for your flower room. I added the 1000MH on the recommendation of an old schooler and cant believe what happened. Yep HPS and MH in the same room. You can switch one or two of your bulbs out at different stages of flower and watch what happens. My shyt greened up and threw budsites like no tomorrow.

jondamon said:

Listen to you MR one month into your membership.

For the record I help PLENTY of people on this site.

But I have stipulations, in the fact that they have to show that they understand training techniques, environmental control, nutrient regimes, and above all not limit their research to MJ growing.

Most of the posters in this thread I've helped.

Before bashing long serving members (which I see you're notorious for) at least see the irony in posts like this.

Newbie wants to harvest loads of green for as little work as possible. Come on!!!



J

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I think you may have even given me a few pointers at some time..+rep

jondamon said:

Listen to you MR one month into your membership.

For the record I help PLENTY of people on this site.

But I have stipulations, in the fact that they have to show that they understand training techniques, environmental control, nutrient regimes, and above all not limit their research to MJ growing.

Most of the posters in this thread I've helped.

Before bashing long serving members (which I see you're notorious for) at least see the irony in posts like this.

Newbie wants to harvest loads of green for as little work as possible. Come on!!!



J

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You must admit he makes a valid argument.

Jondamon has helped me more than everyone else combined and multiplied by three - but, from his very first response to a question I posted, he has consistently pushed me to do my own research.
In fact I asked "With a 1.2 x 1.2 x 2.0m tent and a 600w HID - What fan/filter will I need?"

He sent me a link and told me to do my own maths.

When I did it seemed to imply that I would need a much bigger fan/filter than the grow shops routinely supplied with their 1.2 x 1.2 x 2.0m tent beginners grow kits - Turns out the grow shops just want to sell you something cheap.
You either fail of return to buy a bigger fan.
No problem for the grow shop!

Again I will state.

For an absolute beginner to attempt a 4000w grow, with areas for 1- starting seeds/rooting cuttings, 2 - vegging plants under MH for 18/6 and - 3 flowering under HPS for 12/12 is asking for trouble.
Learn the art one step at a time.

Currently I buy in cuttings and veg them under 18/6 before flipping them to 12/12 in the same space, using the same dual spectrum 600w light.

Next I hope to learn how to take my own cuttings.
Then how to start seeds, grow Mothers and take enough cuttings to be self sufficient.

In a few years maybe I'll have the experience to give me enough confidence to attempt a 3 area, 4000w grow.

SS68396331 said:

I recently had to pass on a huge light setup, could have got it for about half your budget. bulbs and ballasts, 8" vented heavy white steel winged Hoods, 12-600's, Switchable/dimmable ballasts..Lumatek< the purple ones? I am so kicking myself in the ass. Just did not have the cash on hand. Could have easily got it all for 1300. BUt this just shows also that the used market is always good.

I would start with four 1000w switchable 1000's for your flower room. I added the 1000MH on the recommendation of an old schooler and cant believe what happened. Yep HPS and MH in the same room. You can switch one or two of your bulbs out at different stages of flower and watch what happens. My shyt greened up and threw budsites like no tomorrow.

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You had a mixture of HPS and MH lighting the same area?
Did you keep the MH all the way through flowering?

All the best bargains seem to become available when you're experiencing cash flow problems.
I could walk around with £5000 in liquid assets, just a short journey away from actually having the cash in my hands. And, for month after month, there will be no particularly good bargains.
Then, the day after the money has been invested in something with very moderate returns, the mother of all bargains is offered to you.

It is always the same and will forever remain so.
Getting the first billion bucks is always the hardest...

I am using it all the way through bloom, remember it is a perpetual.. but I only cycle it for @8-10 hrs a day. Two hrs after the lights come on and @ two hrs before lights off depending on how sunburned I want to get while working in there.. IF I can even get in.. most of the time is spent snakeing under the canopy. 20-7? gallon plant warriors in a 9x10 room.. but the idea is to provide some more of the blue end of the spectrum with high intensity for a period to perhaps simulate the outdoor. Seems to be working, My indoor plants are starting to look more like my outdoor plants, just smaller. I am sure there is some good science in there somewhere.

I was having some humidity issues this fall until I added it also, By adding the light my Heat went up about 4 degrees to 87/9 which subsequently lowered the RH to 40. When it is off the room drops to about 82/4. The airspace in my Veg area is "shared" so the temps there aren't affected and the Humidity stays a little higher. I run the Dehumidifier in the main space to manage the overall moisture in the basement. The 1000MH affected the entire environment. Again, more Science. psychometrics?

You have to Control the entire environment on large scale grows. Green houses are Living breathing things. There are a shyt ton of ways to do it but it all comes down to experience and study. The most experienced and knowledgeable NEVER close their books and minds. It looks like the future of the OP is off to a good start. With that kind of scratch to lay down and the work it appears that is already in place.. I say get on with it and get some dirt.

I think the initial expectations might be high, but this is not impossible, nOt all rooms are "designed" the same, there are some great standards around. I think some of the best grows are built more of opportunity than high budget. This is a proven training method in any industry..baby steps?? I recently traded a light mover I paid next to nothing for a CO2 regulator/solenoid, monitor, etc. and two nice tanks a while back for trade. of course it is all still sitting on the shelf, but as of now the plants do not need the supplement.

And Yup..haha. I had three grand two days prior. Bought my daughter a Jeep so now I have no Grand..

Oh and just for the record I consistently average +15oz from my little 400w setup.

This round hoping to break out above 18oz.

So if you wanted a 2lb setup then I could pretty much do it with 2x400w for flowering. 8 plants total. A pound is 16oz right?


J

Ya 16oz a lb. I want to have 20 flowering at one time. Sounds good for a 9x12 room. And Ya this noob wants a lot for little work. Setting all this up is a lot of work to me. But once it's going it should be a lot less work. I'm also thinking of setting up some sort of auto dripping feed/water system. But that's a different subject. And far as experience I'll learn as I go cuz I'm going to start 20 females first then in a month and a half do another 20. Until I find a good phenotype to mother of the 4 different stains. So I'll have 4 mothers in there own room. And then I'll make more mothers from the clones. I'm really excited.

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But once it's going it should be a lot less work

Its not for me at all...but like I said I'm cheap. Growing open sog from seed(trying to run through my stock and find keepers) its a lot of work, but I have 59 in veg and like 20??no clue in flower..small plants, all needing different nutes and taking in water at different rates...remembering which are which, being timely rotating in the dark room and no mix ups.. as they age the water/nutes change too....for me that's the biggest issue, nutes/water and remembering everything about them..must be very organized, I'm not

I also can't seem to get some of my special ladies to clone..mostly heavy sativas....well good luck, I wouldn't do it how I do

NorthofEngland said:

But what kind of experience and knowledge does your friend have?
Don't you think that an absolute beginner, attempting to do a multi room, multi fuction grow, using 4000w is a little bit optimistic for a first timer?

The first time you have sex you do it in the missionary with ONE sexual partner.
You don't try to lose your virginity with a Viagra fuelled threesome.

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Sure would have made things more interesting though, although it did get a little more interesting when her dad came home and walked in.. I digress.

adultswiivi said:

To all u guys saying do research. I do and always still will. I have more then 2500$ but 2500 is for lights and food, I have been building walls in the basement I have 3 rooms built. 9x12 mother room. And the other 2 rooms are about the same size. I raised the floor 2 inches to get off the concrete. I was thinking 6 1000w hps for the flower room. Is that to much for a 9x12 room?

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Three rooms that all measure about 9 x 12ft...?

You'll not need equally sized rooms.

The area for seed germination/propagation and rooting cuttings/clones need only be small.
The area devoted to vegging (usually with MH lights on 18/6) will need to be considerably larger but still smaller than your 3rd and final area:
The area for budding/flowering. HPS lights on a 12/12 rota and serious ventilation. (the vegging area will also need ventilation but the budding time is when the smell really goes ape shit.

12 x 9 = 108 sq ft.
You'll need a minimum of 40w per sq ft or 4032w.
For ventilation you need to also take the height into account.
Let's say it's 6ft high.
12 x 9 x 6 - 648cubed feet

The rule of thumb is one air change per minute.
To find the CFM Cubic Feet per Minute you take the 12 x 9 x 6 (648 c f) then add .25 for errors.
so 648 x 1.25 = 810 CFM

So you need a fan that can change 810 cubic feet per minute.

In Europe it's the same equation but you then times it by 60 to find the m3/hr (metres squared per hour).
648 x 1.25 x 60 = 48600m3/hr

I've just looked at a £249 ($375) 12''Ruck Fan and 315/600 Rhino Pro Filter
The fan will handle 1300m3/h and the filter 2440m3/h

According to my maths (48600 divided with 1300) you would need nearly 38 of these fans to cope with the space....
This cannot be right!

If a space is to big I'll put up another wall and make a storage area to handle supplies and tools. I have a big box animal cage type fan with a hepa filter for my air exchanges after the smell is taken care of.


Just got off the phone with my local hydro store. They will sell me 7 Lumatek 1000w air cooled dimmable ballasts with my coupon for 1500 bucks. My sponsor told me to ask if I needed more money. I think I'm gonna need to get like 2g more.

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I don't bash people.
I just don't like people thinking that they're above others,especially newbies and then make comments like this one you made A fucking clue!

The foresight to be able to work it out yourself!


Then you don't even give the guy anything constructive to help him out.
You may think what you want of me but we are all trying to reach the same goal and we need to help each other and not become so sensitive if someone let's you know that your post isn't being of any help.
Peace

jondamon said:

Listen to you MR one month into your membership.

For the record I help PLENTY of people on this site.

But I have stipulations, in the fact that they have to show that they understand training techniques, environmental control, nutrient regimes, and above all not limit their research to MJ growing.

Most of the posters in this thread I've helped.

Before bashing long serving members (which I see you're notorious for) at least see the irony in posts like this.

Newbie wants to harvest loads of green for as little work as possible. Come on!!!



J

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qwizoking said:

But once it's going it should be a lot less work

Its not for me at all...but like I said I'm cheap. Growing open sog from seed(trying to run through my stock and find keepers) its a lot of work, but I have 59 in veg and like 20??no clue in flower..small plants, all needing different nutes and taking in water at different rates...remembering which are which, being timely rotating in the dark room and no mix ups.. as they age the water/nutes change too....for me that's the biggest issue, nutes/water and remembering everything about them..must be very organized, I'm not

I also can't seem to get some of my special ladies to clone..mostly heavy sativas....well good luck, I wouldn't do it how I do

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Easiest solution I've ever seen to solve this problem is duct tape and a sharpie. Strip of duct tape from rim to bottom of pot ( vertically of course ). Sharpie records the date and what fed ( ie 10/3 -W1, 10-18-W3, 11-15-W7 etc etc ......W = that weekly feed solution ). If you water/feed by the lift method,lift the pot, if it's light, check the last feed/water, give it whats next in line.

One more thing,I may only have been a member for a month but I have been growing for 5 years.
I've done hydro for a few grows and am now doing dirt.
I have kept my grows going through lots of cloning and buying new srains as well.
I have more experience then you might think and I know what I'm talking about,not what I think I'm talking about.

big bud 56 said:

I don't bash people.
I just don't like people thinking that they're above others,especially newbies and then make comments like this one you made A fucking clue!

The foresight to be able to work it out yourself!


Then you don't even give the guy anything constructive to help him out.
You may think what you want of me but we are all trying to reach the same goal and we need to help each other and not become so sensitive if someone let's you know that your post isn't being of any help.
Peace

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adultswiivi said:

Ya 16oz a lb. I want to have 20 flowering at one time. Sounds good for a 9x12 room. And Ya this noob wants a lot for little work. Setting all this up is a lot of work to me. But once it's going it should be a lot less work. I'm also thinking of setting up some sort of auto dripping feed/water system. But that's a different subject. And far as experience I'll learn as I go cuz I'm going to start 20 females first then in a month and a half do another 20. Until I find a good phenotype to mother of the 4 different stains. So I'll have 4 mothers in there own room. And then I'll make more mothers from the clones. I'm really excited.

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Hahaha
I can sense your excitement.
I'm an absolute beginner but there's two things I know for certain.

1 - I don't want to be one of those guys who learns the bare minimum and proceeds through a grow like a cook following a recipe. I want to understand the theory behind the steps, then I can adapt and experiment and face difficulties with half a clue as to what may have happened and what may help to put things back on track.
I want to be more like Walter White than Jesse - if you follow my reasoning?

and
2 - Some day I want to attempt a BIG grow.
And not jus big. Professional.

Some of the dumbest people I know have made serious cash from growing.
And if they can do it - with some equipment and a passed on recipe - I should be able to do it better.
Much better.

Just the idea of cultivating a 70 sq ft flowering area (under 2 x 1000w - with a light mover compensating for the 800w shortfall).
And a BIG ARSED Fan/Filter, humming away.....
The several desk fans gently agitating the plants and the sound of the Hydro pumps maintaining their constant supply of H2O and nutes.....

Man, oh man.....
Just the thought gives me the shivers!
(In a GOOD way).

*light mover* that gives me an idea to build some sort of rail system or some movable arm to be able to adjust the exact position of my lights

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It can be done very easily. 5- 1000W HPS bulbs and ballasts and timers. 5- bags of MaxiBloom. 3- 440 CFM carbin filters and fans.

Amazon Order subtotal - 1,521.50

The rest is chump change Coco, smart pots etc.

genetics......