What is the right age to teach your kids why you really hate Nazis?

PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Unclebaldrick said:
No, it isn't. But he is right. Children in my kid's kindergarten class started to bully my kid as the school year progressed about something that weren't old enough to even perceive. Why? Because after some of their parents found out about the transgender child, they taught them to do it.
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Let's fact it kids with bully mentalities can be awful, and of course they learn it from either their parents or other kids. Many kids who are victims of bullying become bullies themselves, as a simple defense mechanism. This is one of the reasons I home school my kids.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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PJ Diaz said:
To each their own, but these are the places I would take my kid while in DC..

Smithsonian's National Zoo and Conservation Biology Institute

Always free of charge, the Smithsonian’s National Zoo is one of Washington D.C.’s, and the Smithsonian’s, most popular tourist destinations, with more than 2 million visitors from all over the world each year. The Zoo instills a lifelong commitment to conservation through engaging experiences...
nationalzoo.si.edu nationalzoo.si.edu

Homepage | Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History

naturalhistory.si.edu naturalhistory.si.edu

National Gallery of Art

The National Gallery of Art serves the nation by welcoming all people to explore and experience art, creativity, and our shared humanity. Admission is always free.
www.nga.gov www.nga.gov


www.nps.gov

Statue Of Liberty National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)

Statue of Liberty National Monument Home Page
www.nps.gov www.nps.gov

Seems like a full week already.
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The zoo is not very good. Been there dozens of times - Columbus is better.

The Natural History Museum is closed on Mondays and Tuesdays

The Statue of Liberty is in New York. That would be too time consuming.

The Gallery of Art is fine, but probably not very interesting to her. I take her to galleries locally, we can't stay long before she loses interest.
 
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mooray

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Unclebaldrick said:
I'm not trying to teach her to hate. I am trying to get her to understand that the hatred she encounters is the aberrant thing - not her.
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So help her recognize the distinction. If hate is the problem, then certainly hate isn't the answer. If we think we're better than another group, then we have to actually be better, not the same. In reality, we do give into it a little bit, but we should always strive for that ideological goal, not chip away at it and say, "well....if your heart is only 30% black and full of hate, that's okay".
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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BudmanTX said:
i don't think so....did she comprehend it after you discussed it with her
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Yes, absolutely. We have an ongoing dialogue about it. She's quite intelligent. Does she comprehend the full magnitude of evilness behind it? Perhaps not, but she understands that a black child pre-Civil War could be sold and removed from their parents without any recourse. I will not shelter her from this like some red-state school board.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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mooray said:
So help her recognize the distinction. If hate is the problem, then certainly hate isn't the answer. If we think we're better than another group, then we have to actually be better, not the same. In reality, we do give into it a little bit, but we should always strive for that ideological goal, not chip away at it and say, "well....if your heart is only 30% black and full of hate, that's okay".
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Sorry. I have dodged this political conundrum before. Naziism should not have been tolerated and never should be. I considered those who resisted Naziism as heroes, even if they murdered Nazis.
 
ComputerSaysNo

ComputerSaysNo

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Unclebaldrick said:
Was teaching her about slavery already wrong? I have no regrets about it.
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This isn't black-and-white (no pun intended here): slavery, 9/11, apartheid, the Holocaust, authoritarianism, climate change, the list goes on and on, but these events or issues are not on the same level, not everything is appropriate to teach a young child. In some cases (such as the Holocaust) it is really difficult to handle the topic responsibly.

I don't think teaching her about slavery was wrong at all, but you do not have to explain the details of an industrial mass murder in order to handle slavery. There sure are horrible details one could mention when talking about slavery, but you can also leave them out and still bring the point across why slavery is a bad idea, and what the part of the United States in it is (or was).

That's not possible with the Holocaust; you can not "scratch the surface" in that case. It's all-or-nothing, and it's quite a bit too much for a child.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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mooray said:
It's not binary. There are more options than hate and tolerate.
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Yes, there is understanding where hate leads so that 1) you realize it is evil and 2) can fight against it before you need to engage in violence.

That's why I am considering a visit to the Holocaust Museum and started this thread.



I fucking hate Nazis. I realize that I have flaws, but this is not one I spend a lot of time regretting. For years I merely disliked them, but then shit got real.

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There IS a moral plane.

 
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mooray

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Okay, but consider when it's appropriate for us to project our adult agendas onto our kids. I know you have your kid's best interest in mind, that much has been clear, I just don't think there's a child psychologist in the world that would agree with taking a 6yo to a holocaust museum. It sounds a bit like the social equivalent of giving her ivermectin; maybe a good thing in certain situations, just not here and just not now.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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mooray said:
Okay, but consider when it's appropriate for us to project our adult agendas onto our kids. I know you have your kid's best interest in mind, that much has been clear, I just don't think there's a child psychologist in the world that would agree with taking a 6yo to a holocaust museum. It sounds a bit like the social equivalent of giving her ivermectin; maybe a good thing in certain situations, just not here and just not now.
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I disagree with your analogy.

I shall ask a psychologist.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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mooray said:
Helping your 6yo hate is unquestionably a bad thing, even if that hatred is justified as an adult. Maybe if the world was like The Book of Eli, where making sure your kids survive is more important than caring whether or not they turn into shitty people, but as long as the lights are on, we're not there yet.
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teaching them to hate racism, sexism, bigotry, and prejudice is bad? i don't agree, as long as you're teaching them WHY they should hate it
 
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riuTEMPriu

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I mean I'm also vigilantly anti-Nazi, but f the Enola Gay was supposed to be a safe, uplifting moment for your child then I'm not really sure what to say. Maybe show her the bombs and then if she asks why we would do that to civilians, then bring her to the Holocaust Museum? I dunno.
 
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mooray

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Unclebaldrick said:
I disagree with your analogy.

I shall ask a psychologist.
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Analogy being, it's poison if you do it wrong and no professional agrees with your usage, but somehow you know better. Definitely ask a child psychologist, specifically about taking a 6yo to a holocaust museum. No sugar coating.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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mooray said:
So help her recognize the distinction. If hate is the problem, then certainly hate isn't the answer. If we think we're better than another group, then we have to actually be better, not the same. In reality, we do give into it a little bit, but we should always strive for that ideological goal, not chip away at it and say, "well....if your heart is only 30% black and full of hate, that's okay".
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With respect, I don't think you grasp my goal.
 
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mooray

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
teaching them hate racism, sexism, bigotry, and prejudice is bad? i don't agree, as long as you're teaching them WHY they should hate it
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There are layers of information that you reveal to kids. Certainly a 6yo knows about "bad guys", but knowing about bad guys and seeing images of the corpses that bad guys leave behind are night and day.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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ComputerSaysNo said:
This isn't black-and-white (no pun intended here): slavery, 9/11, apartheid, the Holocaust, authoritarianism, climate change, the list goes on and on, but these events or issues are not on the same level, not everything is appropriate to teach a young child. In some cases (such as the Holocaust) it is really difficult to handle the topic responsibly.

I don't think teaching her about slavery was wrong at all, but you do not have to explain the details of an industrial mass murder in order to handle slavery. There sure are horrible details one could mention when talking about slavery, but you can also leave them out and still bring the point across why slavery is a bad idea, and what the part of the United States in it is (or was).

That's not possible with the Holocaust; you can not "scratch the surface" in that case. It's all-or-nothing, and it's quite a bit too much for a child.
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Yes, I agree. This is why I am questioning it.
 
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