Man ... if you hve never been to china and browsed their mfg facilities seriously just chime out.
the "retro philips " aparently was a cmh bulb that worked in hps ballast!
There would be high enough demand to find a vendor to mfg that...
Just saying . Go there , browse the mfg companies . It takes months to get
Through them all. This is not unsimiliar to one off parts for cars being made... idk how ur rolex has anything to do with that. Politics aside , thank capitalism for chinas mfg holding us hostage...
its basically impossible to find all american made shit these days so the " oh dont buy trash buy the expensive shit" argument isnt always true ...
u can find exact fucking led chips , exact same drivers . Fuck probably see asf logo that was forgotten to be removed from the housing...
research is what this thread is about.
idk if its turned into a budget bang for buck lighting search or what at this point?
Where are the op's anyway??
who here made a decision based off this thread?
or atleast learned something?
like the hlg thing never heard off . Thanks for pointing them out. Super reasonable prices for quantums...
and simce theyrequire assembly its easy to swap deivers or boards out as needed ..
so we got
Digital hid
Magnetic hid
DE HID DIG AND MAGNETIC
quantum boards
Cobs
And veros
Those seem to be the best options today.
cobs were the future till the efficiency of quantums was realized ...
to be frank use all together ffs
running mh and hps
or led and hps
offers benefits.
theres like a gazilion options out there..
i just want to keep reiterating, more is more.
Temps are important, and keep that lighting as evenly distributed as possible
arm your self with an ppfd or lux meter , an annometer and some really good thermometers plus an ir..
get the most light you possibly can is my logic
so what offers the most lumins per dollar .....
HID!!
KISS WHY EVERYONE OVERTHINK SHIT THESE DAYS??
Plan ur spaceoutby the lifhtingnu choose then go from yhere . Find out the kigjts footprint irl look up ppfd reviews if using led.... if ur flowerimgncut that footprint in half... i wouldnt use less than 50real w per sq ft of led ...
But i have not done anything besides veg with them so far so im no expert at all on led . Im glad there are plenty around here who are versed in it .
thats the point of this discussion...