What Makes SouthEast Lights Different From Northern Lights

Charles U Farley

Well-Known Member
SouthEast Lights has evolved from 10 Northern Lights seeds I obtained from Sensi via Gypsy Nirvana in 2000. Here was my goal when I started:

“My original purpose was to develop Sensi Seeds Northern Lights for the environment of the southeast U.S.. I knew it had been developed in the Pacific NW of the U.S. and then bred for seed development in the Sensi greenhouses of Amsterdam, both environments that are drastically different from the long, sunny growing seasons in the southeast U.S.. Much, _much_ respect to NL Seattle Greg for his decades of work creating Northern Lights. Much respect to Nevil Schoenmakers and Ben Dronkers for selectively developing and maintaining a magnificent, foundational strain of cannabis.

I decided to increase the typical vegetative phase by a month or two for increased root and leaf development, then slowly extended the flowering phase by an additional two months to provide adequate time for the buds to mature into ripe old age, for a total life-cycle of 6-7 months. Unlike the short growing season of the Pacific NW and the seed production greenhouses in Amsterdam, I gave time for the plants to develop their full potential. There was no need to top, prune, FIM, ScrOG or do anything else un-natural. I would never use chemicals or hormones for seed production. I knew I could make Northern Lights shine even brighter.”

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I developed those 10 seeds in a 2 foot by 5 foot closet for over 18 years, before moving to 4X4 and most recently another 8X4 tent, because I'm an old fuck and gotta grow as much as I can, while I still can, so I never have to purchase cannabis. The closet was initially lit by a 1000 watt metal halide light and subsequently changed to 700 watt, high PAR LED coverage almost 10 years ago. The closet was ventilated with a 483 CFM radial fan and numerous holes were drilled between the floor joists to allow air from the basement to circulate and evacuate the heat produced by the lights.

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As you’ll notice, SouthEast Lights doesn’t burn or bleach out when placed close to a HID light source, as long as the tops are adequately ventilated of course. Also look at the branching pattern on the pic of the plant outside, where you will see absolutely no sign of topping or FIMing. The plants naturally grow this way for me, without the need for abuse or mutilation of the stem or shoots. The size and shape of the leaves have evolved in the past 10 years, especially since I learned to isolate the Type2/Indica dominate plants. The leaf shape has changed dramatically and is pretty atypical of NL... double serrated, wide and quite long as well.

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I am currently on my F10 generation and from F1 on, for the last 22 years, the plants have:

1. Only received pure, mountain spring water

2. Never, fucking ever been FIM’d, ScrOG’d, topped or mutilated/butchered to increase yield.

3. Never been subject to any chemical or hormonal manipulation for sexing or inducing polyploidy.

4. Only received massive amounts of HID lighting from both MH and LED lights.

5. Been grown in standard, cheap potting soil (currently Scott’s Moisture Control because it was on sale) and receive absolutely no fertilizer until at least 1 full grow has been completed with the new soil. During subsequent grows (as I recycle the soil) I use minimal amounts of Peter’s 10-10-10 when needed.

6. Go through extensive wet/dry cycles where the soil is allowed to not only be saturated but to dry out almost completely as well,

7. Never been subjected to 24/0 lighting or rushed/forced flowering in less than 90 days of vegging. I don't fuck or abuse my plants for any temporary, short term gain. Sensi’s current website says the flowering time for Northern Lights is 45-50 days, SouthEast Lights would not be anywhere near completion in that time frame. There’ve been times when I could barely even sex a plant 45 days after flip, and I know what to look for.

8. Never been babied, coddled or otherwise given any type of special care, whatsoever. Most growers would be mortified at how brutal I have been with not only clones but sprouts as well. I'm reminded of a Saturday Night Live skit from the 70's comparing Lamaze birthing with SNL's version, which were just a wee bit different. No sterile cuttings of clones, no reduced lighting during germination or rooting, no support poles or netting, none of that bullshit that treats cannabis like a violet instead of poke sallet. SouthEast Lights is a fucking Terminator version of cannabis that will take whatever abuse, neglect or mismanagement a dumbass grower can give and still survive.

9. Only herm'd once, on one branch, on a 4 year old clone, after a week long power outage, in a 40 degree closet.

Notice what I haven't mentioned? Nothing about THC percentage, terpine profile, smell, color, resin coating, leaf/calc ratio, etc. Know why? I don't give a shit. I don't care if my cannabis smells like a "sweet blueberry forest after a spring rain at sunrise" or like SouthEast Lights... almost odorless. I also don't care whether it's gold, green, red, purple or is organically grown with pure, unadulterated bat shit that has been mined by gnomes and elves in forests of the Pacific NW. What I care about is how SouthEast Lights makes me feel. And this should come as no surprise I'm sure, but it makes me feel... _good_, and that's what matters to me.

Most importantly, I’ve not only taken care of, but I have _cared_ for these plants, for many years now. They have decades of love, care, discriminative selection and complete attention in an ideal yet very challenging environment. As Owsley Stanley said so many years ago, “…the Princess of the plant world, who gives us a wonderful gift in return for our care and attention.” I’m a bit more direct and less eloquent than zBear so I'm not sure how to end this post. Should it be, "I take care of the plant that takes care of me." or "When the plant is not forced to do things unnatural, it will become what you want it to be."? How about:

"That’s what makes SouthEast Lights different from Northern Lights!"
 

eastcoastmo

Well-Known Member
SouthEast Lights has evolved from 10 Northern Lights seeds I obtained from Sensi via Gypsy Nirvana in 2000. Here was my goal when I started:

“My original purpose was to develop Sensi Seeds Northern Lights for the environment of the southeast U.S.. I knew it had been developed in the Pacific NW of the U.S. and then bred for seed development in the Sensi greenhouses of Amsterdam, both environments that are drastically different from the long, sunny growing seasons in the southeast U.S.. Much, _much_ respect to NL Seattle Greg for his decades of work creating Northern Lights. Much respect to Nevil Schoenmakers and Ben Dronkers for selectively developing and maintaining a magnificent, foundational strain of cannabis.

I decided to increase the typical vegetative phase by a month or two for increased root and leaf development, then slowly extended the flowering phase by an additional two months to provide adequate time for the buds to mature into ripe old age, for a total life-cycle of 6-7 months. Unlike the short growing season of the Pacific NW and the seed production greenhouses in Amsterdam, I gave time for the plants to develop their full potential. There was no need to top, prune, FIM, ScrOG or do anything else un-natural. I would never use chemicals or hormones for seed production. I knew I could make Northern Lights shine even brighter.”

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I developed those 10 seeds in a 2 foot by 5 foot closet for over 18 years, before moving to 4X4 and most recently another 8X4 tent, because I'm an old fuck and gotta grow as much as I can, while I still can, so I never have to purchase cannabis. The closet was initially lit by a 1000 watt metal halide light and subsequently changed to 700 watt, high PAR LED coverage almost 10 years ago. The closet was ventilated with a 483 CFM radial fan and numerous holes were drilled between the floor joists to allow air from the basement to circulate and evacuate the heat produced by the lights.

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As you’ll notice, SouthEast Lights doesn’t burn or bleach out when placed close to a HID light source, as long as the tops are adequately ventilated of course. Also look at the branching pattern on the pic of the plant outside, where you will see absolutely no sign of topping or FIMing. The plants naturally grow this way for me, without the need for abuse or mutilation of the stem or shoots. The size and shape of the leaves have evolved in the past 10 years, especially since I learned to isolate the Type2/Indica dominate plants. The leaf shape has changed dramatically and is pretty atypical of NL... double serrated, wide and quite long as well.

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I am currently on my F10 generation and from F1 on, for the last 22 years, the plants have:

1. Only received pure, mountain spring water

2. Never, fucking ever been FIM’d, ScrOG’d, topped or mutilated/butchered to increase yield.

3. Never been subject to any chemical or hormonal manipulation for sexing or inducing polyploidy.

4. Only received massive amounts of HID lighting from both MH and LED lights.

5. Been grown in standard, cheap potting soil (currently Scott’s Moisture Control because it was on sale) and receive absolutely no fertilizer until at least 1 full grow has been completed with the new soil. During subsequent grows (as I recycle the soil) I use minimal amounts of Peter’s 10-10-10 when needed.

6. Go through extensive wet/dry cycles where the soil is allowed to not only be saturated but to dry out almost completely as well,

7. Never been subjected to 24/0 lighting or rushed/forced flowering in less than 90 days of vegging. I don't fuck or abuse my plants for any temporary, short term gain. Sensi’s current website says the flowering time for Northern Lights is 45-50 days, SouthEast Lights would not be anywhere near completion in that time frame. There’ve been times when I could barely even sex a plant 45 days after flip, and I know what to look for.

8. Never been babied, coddled or otherwise given any type of special care, whatsoever. Most growers would be mortified at how brutal I have been with not only clones but sprouts as well. I'm reminded of a Saturday Night Live skit from the 70's comparing Lamaze birthing with SNL's version, which were just a wee bit different. No sterile cuttings of clones, no reduced lighting during germination or rooting, no support poles or netting, none of that bullshit that treats cannabis like a violet instead of poke sallet. SouthEast Lights is a fucking Terminator version of cannabis that will take whatever abuse, neglect or mismanagement a dumbass grower can give and still survive.

9. Only herm'd once, on one branch, on a 4 year old clone, after a week long power outage, in a 40 degree closet.

Notice what I haven't mentioned? Nothing about THC percentage, terpine profile, smell, color, resin coating, leaf/calc ratio, etc. Know why? I don't give a shit. I don't care if my cannabis smells like a "sweet blueberry forest after a spring rain at sunrise" or like SouthEast Lights... almost odorless. I also don't care whether it's gold, green, red, purple or is organically grown with pure, unadulterated bat shit that has been mined by gnomes and elves in forests of the Pacific NW. What I care about is how SouthEast Lights makes me feel. And this should come as no surprise I'm sure, but it makes me feel... _good_, and that's what matters to me.

Most importantly, I’ve not only taken care of, but I have _cared_ for these plants, for many years now. They have decades of love, care, discriminative selection and complete attention in an ideal yet very challenging environment. As Owsley Stanley said so many years ago, “…the Princess of the plant world, who gives us a wonderful gift in return for our care and attention.” I’m a bit more direct and less eloquent than zBear so I'm not sure how to end this post. Should it be, "I take care of the plant that takes care of me." or "When the plant is not forced to do things unnatural, it will become what you want it to be."? How about:

"That’s what makes SouthEast Lights different from Northern Lights!"
Is that you my friend? Hope you and the 'boys' are well if it is :)
 

Charles U Farley

Well-Known Member
Biggest difference
I’ve never heard of or grown Southeast lights
Well now you've heard about it but ya still won't be growing it, at least hopefully not anytime soon, cause it'll never be grown by anyone but me till I'm a dead motherfucker. o_O

I'm just documenting what I have, am doing and will do with cannabis so if my kids, g-kids, or g-gg-kids want to sell Southeast Lights seeds after I'm dead, they can.
 

Charles U Farley

Well-Known Member
One of the things I love most about cultivating and developing cannabis is I'm always learning something new and I'm frequently amazed at what these plants can do. Since the mid 80’s, I've rarely grown any cannabis outdoors because of security concerns. Two or three times for verification that SouthEast Lights would do well outside in a competitive, crowded environment and a couple of times when I had too many females and just couldn’t bear to terminate them. On my last grow of 2021, I decided to move from F9 to F10, so I allowed my best 2 staminate studs to have their way and get into the pistillate panties of the last remaining F5 gen girls I’ve got.

During this time, we had a remodel scheduled to transform our 70’s fiberglass bath/shower combo into a ceramic tile shower. Ass deep in the Pandemic, it was difficult to get scheduled and then took quite a long time to finish because of material shortages. Because access to the basement was needed for plumbing, I could not harvest the old ladies until long after they should have delivered. Many buds lost their cargo and seeds naturally dropped into the soil below. No big deal, I’ve got more seeds than I’ll ever use.

I keep all of my used soil to recycle for future grows, so I put the dirt from this harvest under the deck to use later on. Every spring I get new soil for the first grow of the season and unlike the past several years, Lowe’s and Home Depot (used to be known as Casa de Pot in adpc) had a lot of soil varieties on sale. Got some cheap Scott’s Moisture Control potting soil this year, so no need to add perlite or vermiculite for water retention. I’ve always had very good luck with Scott’s soil, even though they add “slow release” fertilizer, it’s never hot enough to burn the tips of my leaves.

The initial harvest of 2022 had just finished up, so it was time to take this year’s first gen soil and mix it into the used soil mound. I hadn’t been around to the side of the house where I keep my soil for quite some time, even though I had cut the grass on that end of the house several times. While emptying out the fabric pots, I looked over and got one hell of a surprise… a SouthEast Lights plant in the wild! Holy shit, this has never happened to me before in over 50 years of cultivating and developing cannabis. I have never discovered a cannabis plant that I didn’t previously plant, nurture and maintain, even when I was growing outside in the early 80’s.

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It’s a damn fine plant as well, over 8 inches tall, five nodes, nice large, wide fan leaves. It’s standing tall and doing better than the dandelion and staghorn sumac right next to it. I had absolutely no idea this plant existed. It only gets about 3-4 hours of afternoon sunlight, has never been watered (we're in the initial stages of a pretty good drought, no rain in over 3 weeks) or fertilized, yet has developed and flourished completely on its own. Moving the root balls uncovered yet another little seedling that survived without ever being exposed to sunlight, water or anything else for that matter. This illustrates my goal of making SouthEast Lights a fucking Terminator variety of cannabis is a success.

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Whether it's pistillate or staminate, this plant _will_ be a parent of the F11 generation.
 

GWilliamsCannabis

Well-Known Member
SouthEast Lights has evolved from 10 Northern Lights seeds I obtained from Sensi via Gypsy Nirvana in 2000. Here was my goal when I started:

“My original purpose was to develop Sensi Seeds Northern Lights for the environment of the southeast U.S.. I knew it had been developed in the Pacific NW of the U.S. and then bred for seed development in the Sensi greenhouses of Amsterdam, both environments that are drastically different from the long, sunny growing seasons in the southeast U.S.. Much, _much_ respect to NL Seattle Greg for his decades of work creating Northern Lights. Much respect to Nevil Schoenmakers and Ben Dronkers for selectively developing and maintaining a magnificent, foundational strain of cannabis.

I decided to increase the typical vegetative phase by a month or two for increased root and leaf development, then slowly extended the flowering phase by an additional two months to provide adequate time for the buds to mature into ripe old age, for a total life-cycle of 6-7 months. Unlike the short growing season of the Pacific NW and the seed production greenhouses in Amsterdam, I gave time for the plants to develop their full potential. There was no need to top, prune, FIM, ScrOG or do anything else un-natural. I would never use chemicals or hormones for seed production. I knew I could make Northern Lights shine even brighter.”

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I developed those 10 seeds in a 2 foot by 5 foot closet for over 18 years, before moving to 4X4 and most recently another 8X4 tent, because I'm an old fuck and gotta grow as much as I can, while I still can, so I never have to purchase cannabis. The closet was initially lit by a 1000 watt metal halide light and subsequently changed to 700 watt, high PAR LED coverage almost 10 years ago. The closet was ventilated with a 483 CFM radial fan and numerous holes were drilled between the floor joists to allow air from the basement to circulate and evacuate the heat produced by the lights.

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As you’ll notice, SouthEast Lights doesn’t burn or bleach out when placed close to a HID light source, as long as the tops are adequately ventilated of course. Also look at the branching pattern on the pic of the plant outside, where you will see absolutely no sign of topping or FIMing. The plants naturally grow this way for me, without the need for abuse or mutilation of the stem or shoots. The size and shape of the leaves have evolved in the past 10 years, especially since I learned to isolate the Type2/Indica dominate plants. The leaf shape has changed dramatically and is pretty atypical of NL... double serrated, wide and quite long as well.

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I am currently on my F10 generation and from F1 on, for the last 22 years, the plants have:

1. Only received pure, mountain spring water

2. Never, fucking ever been FIM’d, ScrOG’d, topped or mutilated/butchered to increase yield.

3. Never been subject to any chemical or hormonal manipulation for sexing or inducing polyploidy.

4. Only received massive amounts of HID lighting from both MH and LED lights.

5. Been grown in standard, cheap potting soil (currently Scott’s Moisture Control because it was on sale) and receive absolutely no fertilizer until at least 1 full grow has been completed with the new soil. During subsequent grows (as I recycle the soil) I use minimal amounts of Peter’s 10-10-10 when needed.

6. Go through extensive wet/dry cycles where the soil is allowed to not only be saturated but to dry out almost completely as well,

7. Never been subjected to 24/0 lighting or rushed/forced flowering in less than 90 days of vegging. I don't fuck or abuse my plants for any temporary, short term gain. Sensi’s current website says the flowering time for Northern Lights is 45-50 days, SouthEast Lights would not be anywhere near completion in that time frame. There’ve been times when I could barely even sex a plant 45 days after flip, and I know what to look for.

8. Never been babied, coddled or otherwise given any type of special care, whatsoever. Most growers would be mortified at how brutal I have been with not only clones but sprouts as well. I'm reminded of a Saturday Night Live skit from the 70's comparing Lamaze birthing with SNL's version, which were just a wee bit different. No sterile cuttings of clones, no reduced lighting during germination or rooting, no support poles or netting, none of that bullshit that treats cannabis like a violet instead of poke sallet. SouthEast Lights is a fucking Terminator version of cannabis that will take whatever abuse, neglect or mismanagement a dumbass grower can give and still survive.

9. Only herm'd once, on one branch, on a 4 year old clone, after a week long power outage, in a 40 degree closet.

Notice what I haven't mentioned? Nothing about THC percentage, terpine profile, smell, color, resin coating, leaf/calc ratio, etc. Know why? I don't give a shit. I don't care if my cannabis smells like a "sweet blueberry forest after a spring rain at sunrise" or like SouthEast Lights... almost odorless. I also don't care whether it's gold, green, red, purple or is organically grown with pure, unadulterated bat shit that has been mined by gnomes and elves in forests of the Pacific NW. What I care about is how SouthEast Lights makes me feel. And this should come as no surprise I'm sure, but it makes me feel... _good_, and that's what matters to me.

Most importantly, I’ve not only taken care of, but I have _cared_ for these plants, for many years now. They have decades of love, care, discriminative selection and complete attention in an ideal yet very challenging environment. As Owsley Stanley said so many years ago, “…the Princess of the plant world, who gives us a wonderful gift in return for our care and attention.” I’m a bit more direct and less eloquent than zBear so I'm not sure how to end this post. Should it be, "I take care of the plant that takes care of me." or "When the plant is not forced to do things unnatural, it will become what you want it to be."? How about:

"That’s what makes SouthEast Lights different from Northern Lights!"
Amazing work! Thank you for sharing!

The only thing I don't like is not sharing this worked line with the world.....I understand not wanting ppl to sell or pimp out your line....however, I hate when I have a story about some weed and nobody else can vouch for my story because nobody else experienced it.....sell the seeds man, invest the money FOR your grandkids/great grandkids....and of course keep some seeds/plants around for them to continue what you started.

I'd kill to have a strain I love that's been worked the way you've done here, as would many others.

But like I said, I understand why you wouldn't want to do that, just figured I'd try to beg a little lol
 

Charles U Farley

Well-Known Member
...sell the seeds man, invest the money FOR your grandkids/great grandkids... I understand not wanting ppl to sell or pimp out your line.
I understand what you're saying but it's a karma thing with me. I've always wanted to turn people on, not profit or make money... what goes around, comes around.

But.... every time I read a newbie post about how difficult a first grow is going, how they're having problems with hermies, and they're freaking out over fertilization, watering schedules, etc., I do wonder how much more successful and happier they would be if they were growing SouthEast Lights rather than the newest, trendiest, multi-poly-hybrid that is more like a greenhouse violet rather than honest to God cannabis.
 

Charles U Farley

Well-Known Member
You're doing 12/12 for 12 weeks?
Yes, sometimes I've gone 16 weeks but that's usually only in the winter, when it's cooler in the basement.

I lengthened the flowering time by a combination of using only pollen from late blooming staminate plants to fertilize only late blooming pistillates, and the seed crop was always grown in a winter crop when it's cold.

After several generations, I finally got the "dutched" quick flowering attribute removed, which I understand is a highly desired attribute for most, just not for me. For me, the extra flowering time gives the plants time to completely develop their full potential. Ever since I could grow more than my wife and I can consume, pushing for maximum yield in the shortest period of time just isn't a priority.

The plants sense this and give me exactly what I need in return for my care and attention
 

Charles U Farley

Well-Known Member
Time for an update on what I’m gonna call The Terminator parental unit (don’t know the sex of it yet) of all future SouthEast Lights. After I dug it up and transplanted it into my standard, once a year, whatever’s on sale soil (Scott’s Moisture Control this year, last year I think it was Sta-Green) it underwent a bit of environmental shock. From a couple of hours of indirect, natural sunlight in rocky, mountain, unfertilized soil into a controlled environment with a bit more light :cool:.

I expected some leaf damage from the massive increase of photons, but I started noticing missing pieces of leaf. WTF? This isn’t like anything I’ve seen before. Upon further examination, I discovered the reason, a fucking caterpillar. Now I know outdoor growers must deal with this all the time but this was a new experience for me. Did I kill the fuck that was eating my leaves? Nah, it was just doing what caterpillars do, eat. I carried it out and put it on the fucking staghorn sumac we got around here, no harm if they eat the shit out of those.

The last two pics are the most recent, one outside for the first time since I transplanted it and one inside in its current environment. Notice how non-uniform all the other plants in the tent are? Exceedingly uncharacteristic of not only Northern Lights but SouthEast Lights as well.

That’s because I’ve fucking isolated the Type I/Sativa and Type II/Indica plants that were the foundation of Northern Lights and I’m trying/going to standardize them back to their original state, especially the Type II/Indica.

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MannyPacs

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Any other reasons for selecting towards the longer flowering aside from "provide adequate time for the buds to mature into ripe old age"? And why not just get a pack of ACE if that's what you're going for?
 

Paddletail

Well-Known Member
TLDR:

Old man, with a foul mouth, bought a pack of seeds and has taken them to an F10. Said old man now grows a bunch of really uniform mids as all selections were done based on structure and apparently longer flowering times over high/effect, smell etc. For some reason old man thinks he has changed the world and wants attention. All was done to benefit himself.

At least he thinks he's important....
 

Charles U Farley

Well-Known Member
Any other reasons for selecting towards the longer flowering aside from "provide adequate time for the buds to mature into ripe old age"?
Yes. Once I could produce more cannabis than my wife and I could consume, I decided to try and make the buds _bigger_ and _better_, since I could experiment. Knowing how the Dutch seed companies pushed early flowering times, my reasoning was if I didn't push the plant to produce as much as possible, in the shortest period of time, maybe it would produce bigger and better buds in the long run.

What I found is the buds weren't a hell of a lot bigger but they made me feel a whole lot better. The more I worked with the longer flowering times, I found I liked the "high" better. Can't really explain it but in my mind, the longer flowering time produced a better, longer lasting high than when I was in F2-F5.

Not sure what a "pack of ACE" is but if it's seeds, I haven't purchased seeds since 2000. Did a brief Google search and didn't find what you might be referring to. If it has anything to do with Northern Lights, I wouldn't consider buying any seeds other than from:

Peak Seeds BC

and he's retired now.
 

MannyPacs

Well-Known Member
So you're breeding towards long flowering indicas? I admit I'm kind of confused about the entire project. ACE is a distributor of landrace strains. Many with very long flowering times. You might just wind up saving yourself a lot of time and finding a starting point that you like even better.
 

Charles U Farley

Well-Known Member
The survivor, that I call the SouthEast Lights Terminator version, is _pistallate_! _Fuck_ >:( I frequently use profanity (and have been denigrated in this forum for its use, but who gives a fuck :p), but I was _so_ hoping it was staminate. No doubt others have had a different experience, but I would _much_ rather have a dominate, staminate parental unit than the best pistillate plant I've ever had. Mostly for logistical reasons.

Because of my background, back in the 80's and 90's I used to use a microscope to view staminate plants for resin production to decide the parental unit to use. After I obtained Sensi's NL, a microscope wasn't necessary. :o

Anyway, here is the Terminator parental unit I'll use for all future versions of SouthEast Lights.

It's _earned_ that designation:

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