What would prove GOD does/doesn't exists?

cat of curiosity

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Reality is NOTHING Matters. Until that's realized, all other realities are doomed to fail.
nothing matters if you want to die immediately.

but if you want food, or a dry place to sleep, or air conditioning, or transportation to and from somewhere to get you things that are necessary for survival.....

things matter.
 

LostInEthereal

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Aron Ra has a couple good videos on youtube titled "Refuting the irrefutable proof of god", and many other good videos as well.

There is one video, and I can't recall the one. But he describes how we cannot disprove the existence of a super natural being, but we can most assuredly say that the gods described in the tales of creation, are certainly false, and cannot exist based on their own descriptions in their own canon.
 

Az-uar Iam

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nothing matters if you want to die immediately.

but if you want food, or a dry place to sleep, or air conditioning, or transportation to and from somewhere to get you things that are necessary for survival.....

things matter.
That's just it. Maybe that's the reason why we can't see what you refer to as GOD. When I use the words NOTHING Matters it means something entirely different. I mentioned T.G.U. to you, right? Well NOTHING is the result of The Great Unknown only act. Without NOTHING, everything else would've never been able to be. There's a secret inside this secret
 

Az-uar Iam

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nothing matters if you want to die immediately.

but if you want food, or a dry place to sleep, or air conditioning, or transportation to and from somewhere to get you things that are necessary for survival.....

things matter.
This is where the confusion comes from. Maybe you don't see GOD because misinterpreting what's being said. When I say NOTHING it's referring to the 1st result of The Great Unknown WONDER. We can take this step by step, and basically have an akashic record
 

Humanrob

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That my friend is the kind of response I was looking for. In my eyes you're right. It is the wrong name. GOD wouldn't have a name, which is why I refer to it as The Great Unknown. You're right, questions are dangerous, but this isn't trying to find answers. It's allowing the wonders to reveal themselves to anyone who truly wants to know. I don't see why people can't understand "GOD" doesn't need us, to justify its existence. Just as it won't care about our reaction when it finally makes an appearance.
First, I did not say "questions are dangerous". The danger lies in the angst derived from having unanswerable questions -- and specifically how we respond to that angst.

I have no issue with god. If god exists, and if god wants/needs/expects something from me, I assume it can make that known. so far, its been radio silence. so either god does not exist, or god expects nothing from me. I'm fine with that, either way.

Whether or not the universe is sentient, well, I'm really not sure how knowing the answer to that question one way or another would impact my decision making process. On a smaller scale, for instance, one could discuss gaia theory, and whether the earth as a planet is a single organism, and (then the New Age interpretation...) whether or not there is a consciousness or sentience to the planet itself, might have more relevance. And yet, again, if that were true, I don't see how knowing that would change my life at all.


Existence itself is so remarkable -- and for me so utterly unbelievable -- that if existence itself is accepted then truly anything is possible. Apparently we exist, and we have some sort of definition for what that reality is. But periodically (historically) we think we have a handle on it, and then eventually we're proven wrong. I might be made of "matter", but I'm mostly empty space. This could all be a hologram. There may be other dimensions from which we are merely a projection. If that were true, I'm not sure how knowing that would help me find a job, or be a better kinder more compassionate person, or give me back the 20/20 vision of my youth... or really in any way impact anything in the heart of this illusion we appear to be sharing.

I have no interest in playing hide and seek with the universe. I have no interest in finding hidden meaning. Yes, we have some deep inner sense that we are missing something, that there is more than meets the eye, that we are missing the point of it all... and I suspect we are. The question arises about what is the point, and is this point pre-determined or are we supposed to come up with it ourselves. Again, I'm not playing games with some supposed god to find the hidden toy in my cracker jacks. Since no sentient being outside of myself has made my "point" abundantly clear to me, it's safe to say there is no external point. Therefore, its up to me. And I think the point is to do my best to attempt to do no harm.

Or something like that. Because it comes back to another version of my original statement: I think that we have evolved to a strange point in consciousness where our brains feel the need to have a point. In the long long long string of events which is the evolution of life on earth, we at the edge of this envelope have formed concepts of our mortality, our separateness, and a relationship with our emotional world which have created inexplicable paradoxes that we experience as a need for meaning in life. It's all just emergent properties from our current place in time. Or not. I am truly, and completely, making this all up.
 

Az-uar Iam

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Nothing is a misnomer..

And it's the result of a random chance, not the 'act', therefor implying intention, of some ethereal being..
NOTHING isn't where it began, but if you're unable to see the importance of it, that's its protection from being used by the wrong hands.
 

LostInEthereal

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You have a way of saying a lot, when you're not saying anything dude.. Don't mean that ad hominem, but it's like you're tying too hard.

Are you some sort of mystical gate keeper, or did I miss something?
 

Az-uar Iam

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First, I did not say "questions are dangerous". The danger lies in the angst derived from having unanswerable questions -- and specifically how we respond to that angst.

I have no issue with god. If god exists, and if god wants/needs/expects something from me, I assume it can make that known. so far, its been radio silence. so either god does not exist, or god expects nothing from me. I'm fine with that, either way.

Whether or not the universe is sentient, well, I'm really not sure how knowing the answer to that question one way or another would impact my decision making process. On a smaller scale, for instance, one could discuss gaia theory, and whether the earth as a planet is a single organism, and (then the New Age interpretation...) whether or not there is a consciousness or sentience to the planet itself, might have more relevance. And yet, again, if that were true, I don't see how knowing that would change my life at all.


Existence itself is so remarkable -- and for me so utterly unbelievable -- that if existence itself is accepted then truly anything is possible. Apparently we exist, and we have some sort of definition for what that reality is. But periodically (historically) we think we have a handle on it, and then eventually we're proven wrong. I might be made of "matter", but I'm mostly empty space. This could all be a hologram. There may be other dimensions from which we are merely a projection. If that were true, I'm not sure how knowing that would help me find a job, or be a better kinder more compassionate person, or give me back the 20/20 vision of my youth... or really in any way impact anything in the heart of this illusion we appear to be sharing.

I have no interest in playing hide and seek with the universe. I have no interest in finding hidden meaning. Yes, we have some deep inner sense that we are missing something, that there is more than meets the eye, that we are missing the point of it all... and I suspect we are. The question arises about what is the point, and is this point pre-determined or are we supposed to come up with it ourselves. Again, I'm not playing games with some supposed god to find the hidden toy in my cracker jacks. Since no sentient being outside of myself has made my "point" abundantly clear to me, it's safe to say there is no external point. Therefore, its up to me. And I think the point is to do my best to attempt to do no harm.

Or something like that. Because it comes back to another version of my original statement: I think that we have evolved to a strange point in consciousness where our brains feel the need to have a point. In the long long long string of events which is the evolution of life on earth, we at the edge of this envelope have formed concepts of our mortality, our separateness, and a relationship with our emotional world which have created inexplicable paradoxes that we experience as a need for meaning in life. It's all just emergent properties from our current place in time. Or not. I am truly, and completely, making this all up.
So if you know you're missing something, just because you couldn't find it yourself means you wouldn't want anyone to find it for themselves, & perhaps even assist you?
 

Uberknot

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Other than embellished tales there is no proof. If you Study up on all religions you will find that pretty much ALL of them come from the same story that has been manipulated and changed according to their own tribal beliefs. But hey if someone thinks it makes them feel safer and better to believe in something more power to them.

Personally I think it has been used as a tool to control people, but that's me...
 

LostInEthereal

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Other than embellished tales there is no proof. If you Study up on all religions you will find that pretty much ALL of them come from the same story that has been manipulated and changed according to their own tribal beliefs. But hey if someone thinks it makes them feel safer and better to believe in something more power to them.

Personally I think it has been used as a tool to control people, but that's me...
Well as the winner, you get to chose between the prizes hidden behind Doors #1, #2 and #3. Secret tip: God's behind one of them
 

Az-uar Iam

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You have a way of saying a lot, when you're not saying anything dude.. Don't mean that ad hominem, but it's like you're tying too hard.

Are you some sort of mystical gate keeper, or did I miss something?
No prob, man. I might be, but I don't think so. Again, I'm trying to prove myself wrong, but the points being made are ones that I've already exhausted.

Been told that b4, & I'm trying to work on the delivery, but if say that NOTHING Matters, to GOD, then people get all up in arms.
 

Humanrob

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So if you know you're missing something, just because you couldn't find it yourself means you wouldn't want anyone to find it for themselves, & perhaps even assist you?
What? I never said that I would not want someone else to find their truth. All I can do is share mine, and that's all I did. And thank you kindly, but absolutely NO, I do not want any help with this.

It's been a long time since I took a swing at topic like this, now I can see where I stand. I don't have the answers and I'm comfortable with that, but sharing that with others serves no one. LOL. what a waste of time.

Have fun, and good luck. :)
 

LostInEthereal

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Explain to me how you've exhausted the points being made so far?

It's not possible to prove that god exists, because the definition of god is that of a super natural being.

However, the gods presented in the stories passed down from all the cultures, are simply wrong. They cannot exist as described based on the observed laws of the universe. Not to mention that their are typically glaring hypocrisies and other obviously false claims.

Better is, so what if god exists? I mean, if some really nice being that lets you go about your life, so what? But if it's that jack ass from the old testament, who in their right mind would want to worship that?
 
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