What's the biggest mistake Bush made?

medicineman said:

Let me try and explain this, although I doubt it will sink in, get it "Sink". It's not the sea Ice but the land based glacial Ice that is being unleashed by the dissapearing sea ice, Now take an Ice cube, mark the glass, and drop it in, get the picture? 180 and out.

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Gosh I hate to keep pounding you but.....

Is sea ice falling off glaciers at an increased rate? You bet your boots it is!!! I can see you starting to salivate..... OMG... what's CrackerJax up to now?

The real answer is not that sea ice is falling at an advanced rate but to WHY it is falling........

it's not falling because it is melting..... DOH!!!

As the Glaciers GAIN pack ice (it is gaining fast) the middle of the glaciers THICKEN and it is this which creates the unstable shelves at the perimeter. Not Global Warming......... DOH!!

I won't even bother blowing carbon away for yah.... I can though... just ask me later.


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I don't think they are getting thicker, some of them are almost gone.

CrackerJax said:

Gosh I hate to keep pounding you but.....

Is sea ice falling off glaciers at an increased rate? You bet your boots it is!!! I can see you starting to salivate..... OMG... what's CrackerJax up to now?

The real answer is not that sea ice is falling at an advanced rate but to WHY it is falling........

it's not falling because it is melting..... DOH!!!

As the Glaciers GAIN pack ice (it is gaining fast) the middle of the glaciers THICKEN and it is this which creates the unstable shelves at the perimeter. Not Global Warming......... DOH!!

I won't even bother blowing carbon away for yah.... I can though... just ask me later.


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Uhhhh, You actually believe this very unscientific pile of crap you just layed on me?? If so, you've just unhinged your theory of being in the 180 IQ range. I'd have to say if you actually believe the above, you are probably less smart than an imbecile, 40-50 IQ. The sea ice is melting because of a 1+ degree rise in water temperature in the artic oceans. They are what have been holding back the glacial creep. With them going fast and the interior of the glaciers getting warmer, (Melting from interior rivers that have formed from higher temperatures at the surface), 1-3 degrees and more in some spots, that in turn affects the bottom of the glaciers and a hydraulic situation forms where the glacier rides on a bed of water, making their travel that much faster. Some temperatures at the north pole have been observed to be as much as 7 degrees above normal for that period of the year. Get used to it Maxie, we are witnessing the last of the glaciers unless we turn this warming around. Glaciers all over the world are melting faster than ever before.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/16/glaciers.climatechange
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/glaciers.html
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/why-are-glaciers-melting.html
Just a few easy sites for your perusal. Try it, you might like it.

Sorry to disappoint but those are die hard facts.... of course you won't find it on CNN. You also won't hear that the list of bonafide weather scientists in the "skeptic" column is far outgrowing the "acceptance' crowd.


Pack ice is growing, not shrinking...check your data folks....


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CrackerJax said:

Sorry to disappoint but those are die hard facts.... of course you won't find it on CNN. You also won't hear that the list of bonafide weather scientists in the "skeptic" column is far outgrowing the "acceptance' crowd.


Pack ice is growing, not shrinking...check your data folks....


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Dude, some of you people march to the beat of your very own special little drummer. It's as if you woke up and said to yourself:"I will only believe what I hear on Fox news. Cnn spews lies, their news is tainted by a liberal agenda. I will disregard all facts and science not consistent with the Republican agenda." While the reasons for the disappearance of the ice is debatable, the facts that it is disappearing is not. To claim otherwise is to announce loudly to the world that you are a moron.

bradlyallen2 said:

Dude, some of you people march to the beat of your very own special little drummer. It's as if you woke up and said to yourself:"I will only believe what I hear on Fox news. Cnn spews lies, their news is tainted by a liberal agenda. I will disregard all facts and science not consistent with the Republican agenda." While the reasons for the disappearance of the ice is debatable, the facts that it is disappearing is not. To claim otherwise is to announce loudly to the world that you are a moron.

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Actually speaking of growing Glacial Masses, what's your answer to why the Antarctic Ice Cap is growing Bradley. You seem like a firm believer in the Global Warming. Maybe you can explain why the Earth seems to be actively working against the theory of anthropogenic global warming.

Fox news? I'm way beyond Fox news. i couldn't tell you when was the last time I watched that show...

You folks watching CNN etc. are only being shown the ice which is melting...not the ice which is accumulating. is the arctic getting smaller? yes a bit. Is this completely normal? yes it is.

Is Antarctica growing quickly in pack ice? yes it is. is this normal? Yes it is.

See, I can say yes....

Is the overall ice around the globe receding or accumulating? It is accumulating....


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bradlyallen2 said:

Surely you are not this much of a fool. DO you really think they are working with uranium to keep their mosques warm in the winter? They have an atomic bomb. My pprediction is they are holding it until Israel fucks with them and then they will blow up an Israeli city. You would have to be a complete tool to insist that because no one has photos of the bomb (our government isn't sharing if they do) it doesn't exist. Hell, the war in Iraq was founded on shakier evidence than my assertion that Iran has nukes. If I am wrong on this I will buy you a house in Detroit

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You are incredibly naive if you think Iran would hide possession of a nuclear weapon. The greatest value of a nuclear wep is other nations knowing you have it.

I'm not doing anything for the inauguration, because I did my celebrating on election day. That said, I will spend this week looking forward. Tomorrow is truly a day of Jubilee. It has so many positives, on so many levels, I would even know where to begin.

Captn said:

You are incredibly naive if you think Iran would hide possession of a nuclear weapon. The greatest value of a nuclear wep is other nations knowing you have it.

I'm not doing anything for the inauguration, because I did my celebrating on election day. That said, I will spend this week looking forward. Tomorrow is truly a day of Jubilee. It has so many positives, on so many levels, I would even know where to begin.

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There is one other reason for denying you are about to or that you already have one. You don't wish to bargain with it.... you wish to use it. wake up and smell the coffee son.....don't you see what's going on here? (<----no)


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CrackerJax said:

There is one other reason for denying you are about to or that you already have one. You don't wish to bargain with it.... you wish to use it. wake up and smell the coffee son.....don't you see what's going on here? (<----no)


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Agreed, They are waiting for Israel to make a "pre-emptive" strike on their centifuge operation and then they are going to nuke an Israeli city in retaliation. I think Israel knows this as well or they would have done something already.

Bush is a murderer fuck him, the Us governments' full of shit.Open your eyes the media controls and persuades most of the garbage that comes out of the average fool that thinks just because he watches the news and reads a paper they know whats going on.This will never change until people open there eyes.I'm not anit-government I believe society needs order but this government is fool of shit.............Power always corupt.

If you think bush is all that bad then you have to side WITH the media, not against it. And yes, power always corrupts.... it's choosing the lesser of the two evils. Welcome to the human race.

I'm voting Red Foreman for president in 2012....


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CrackerJax said:

If you think bush is all that bad then you have to side WITH the media, not against it. And yes, power always corrupts.... it's choosing the lesser of the two evils. Welcome to the human race.

I'm voting Red Foreman for president in 2012....


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Red's got my vote.

Look at the big picture bro There is something really bad happening.Everything they let us see is for reason.. Do you want to live in a world with no future???Not me thats why i dont buy into all that shit we're fed by the media These next 4 years shits gonna get real bad

CrackerJax said:

Fox news? I'm way beyond Fox news. i couldn't tell you when was the last time I watched that show...

You folks watching CNN etc. are only being shown the ice which is melting...not the ice which is accumulating. is the arctic getting smaller? yes a bit. Is this completely normal? yes it is.

Is Antarctica growing quickly in pack ice? yes it is. is this normal? Yes it is.

See, I can say yes....

Is the overall ice around the globe receding or accumulating? It is accumulating....


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CrackerJax, I'm sorry to say but the total volume of ice is fairly well measured (within 5-15%) by surveying the top of the icecaps with methods like radar and laser altimetry, locating the bottom of the ice with methods like seismic soundings, and calculating the difference.
Since 1960 (data from 1950's and earlier is not useful because of lack of reliable data), the total volume of land based ice is down about 2250 cubic km to about ~29400 cubic km. About 86% of total world ice in in the Antarctic ice sheets and continental glacier. Another 10% is the Greenland ice cap. The East Antarctic ice sheet, consisting about 76% of the world's ice has indeed gained about 10,000 cubic km but the West ice sheet has lost about 4500 cubic km

So you are technically correct that parts of Antarctic has gained ice, it's not enough to offset the total volume of the earth's ice which has declined.

That said, I agree that it has not been proven that human-caused global warming is occurring, and in fact there is substantial reason to reject such claims. Geological evidence indicates very clearly that at times in the Earth's past icecaps were much larger in extent--and alternately, at other times icecaps were virtually nonexistent. The best explanation for the evidence is that whatever global warming trend exists is mostly the result of natural influences like variations in the climate system and variations in solar radiation.

mindphuk said:

That said, I agree that it has not been proven that human-caused global warming is occurring, and in fact there is substantial reason to reject such claims. Geological evidence indicates very clearly that at times in the Earth's past icecaps were much larger in extent--and alternately, at other times icecaps were virtually nonexistent. The best explanation for the evidence is that whatever global warming trend exists is mostly the result of natural influences like variations in the climate system and variations in solar radiation.

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Yep natural variations in solar radiation is the cause that is becoming more and more accepted. We fuck up the planet in a whole lot of ways but our co2 emissions are a tiny tiny fraction (like 5% or less) of the worlds natural c02 production from forest fires, volcanos, rotting plant matter.

Our cities are covered in smog and we need to get off the oil tit asap, but it has nothing to do with global warming.

Red Foreman hates pot you guys. I can't spend 4 years with his foot in my ass..........

misshestermoffitt said:

Red Foreman hates pot you guys. I can't spend 4 years with his foot in my ass..........

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good point dude. president palin 2012... ha ha............not!

misshestermoffitt said:

Red Foreman hates pot you guys. I can't spend 4 years with his foot in my ass..........

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Hey, Red ate some brownies once, sold the car.


Besides we've had that foot in our ass since FDR signed the stamp act in 1934.

FDR probably would have gotten over that pussy ass ''polio'' if he smoked some pot. good prez but a hater....