when do i harvest/flush?

3rd Monkey said:

Thanks. Started on grass city. They have it from the start lol. I'll catch up with you and others.

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Kill the traitor..... Grassfuckingcity, we got real trolls info and debates not that highly modded sissy talk leds rule or your banned stuff they invent there.

CannaBruh said:

looking at you Dr WHo
lots of accusations, why not put to practice what you claim and claim some free seeds

*full disclosure, I own several companies, none of which are cannabis related or have any relevance to the cannabis industry

another page long rant and not ONE fucking citation brother... what scientists does this?

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The problem with this is the end testing too.

How do you actually do that?

Confimation bias takes over and everyone testing IS looking for a difference... The mind will find one - somewhere.

Please line out the parameters of this!
Cure?
Jarring?
What nutrient?
What do I test in the end. I mean it would have to be pro tested for comparing of all compounds, right?
How do you do the actual side by side taste test?
One one day and the other the next?
Can't expect fair results when the testers are stoned from the first round.
You do know that the unflushed is cured for 8 weeks right....
How does that work for the flushed then? Kinda kills the test right there ,,, eh?
Maybe off set the runs?

YOU need to define the parameters! Otherwise this challenge is just a step up of your side of the debate.

CannaBruh said:

I have half a dozen Symbiotic Mimosa of the same cut in bloom now. I'll feed one to the end to experiment along with whomever takes up my challenge. 250 beans for finishing the project regardless of which way your opine sways at the end of the experiment.

Intent is to demonstrate efficacy in flushing. Because it cannot be demonstrated that it DOESN'T work. If you think you can demonstrate that flushing doesn't work, I challenge you to do so with some plants and show within this thread you know with some actual skin in the game.

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What are the parameters?

I'm assuming running clones? Same training.

Kingrow1 said:

Kill the traitor..... Grassfuckingcity, we got real trolls info and debates not that highly modded sissy talk leds rule or your banned stuff they invent there.

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Dude, I'm new to forums altogether. Been there about 2 weeks I think. Recommended by a friend actually.

Can't say I prefer either place really. Seems the same more or less so far.

I'll let you guys define how you want to demonstrate that flushing is a myth.

I'll be feeding 1 plant to chop, the rest will get distilled water 6.0ph for 1-3 weeks.

If we can come to an agreement on method I can adapt to conform. Look forward to the run with you guys.

The end results Dr. will have to be lab tested as our 'confirmation bias' will surely be at play. Lab tests or it's not science, I want numbers and data. If that's out of the scope we can agree on some other methodology.

CannaBruh said:

I have half a dozen Symbiotic Mimosa of the same cut in bloom now. I'll feed one to the end to experiment along with whomever takes up my challenge. 250 beans for finishing the project regardless of which way your opine sways at the end of the experiment.

Intent is to demonstrate efficacy in flushing. Because it cannot be demonstrated that it DOESN'T work. If you think you can demonstrate that flushing doesn't work, I challenge you to do so with some plants and show within this thread you know with some actual skin in the game.

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Let me point out this from my last post.

How can you compare a side by side. When the non flushed gets 8 weeks of cure.
Cure the flushed the same?
FAIL! The cure time in the non has now masked any difference!

The content testing would need to be part of it! Likely important vs the conf. bias issue....

Look, do what you want...Flush your little harts out... It's restricting potentials of the plant!

CannaBruh said:

I'll let you guys define how you want to demonstrate that flushing is a myth.

I'll be feeding 1 plant to chop, the rest will get distilled water 6.0ph for 1-3 weeks.

If we can come to an agreement on method I can adapt to conform. Look forward to the run with you guys.

The end results Dr. will have to be lab tested as our 'confirmation bias' will surely be at play. Lab tests or it's not science, I want numbers and data. If that's out of the scope we can agree on some other methodology.

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Remember that flushing is pouring copious amounts of water through the pot...Not just watering what it needs...

I'm getting more interested though!

we would need to do the same strain and clones from the same mother, taken at the same height.

CannaBruh said:

I'll let you guys define how you want to demonstrate that flushing is a myth.

I'll be feeding 1 plant to chop, the rest will get distilled water 6.0ph for 1-3 weeks.

If we can come to an agreement on method I can adapt to conform. Look forward to the run with you guys.

The end results Dr. will have to be lab tested as our 'confirmation bias' will surely be at play. Lab tests or it's not science, I want numbers and data. If that's out of the scope we can agree on some other methodology.

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Site concensus over years is enough to stand behind, not a total myth but yer i agree it dosent do what its meant to and yes fully fertilized bud was better as many will atest to from practical experience here.

There is a reason we do what we do...

Thata just obvious

It could be a simple bias test where you use your own bio assessment for the flushed vs non flush. This might assume a cure, or you could consume the plants as soon as dried.

If your plants need a cure to be consumed I'd recommend a flush

For lab tests, no cure necessary. Once material is dry submit to lab gram for gram flushed for fed.

Flushing is however one wants to define it within context of application.
For this experiment semantics need to be set aside and flushing be defined as NOT FEEDING.
For hydro systems a flush would be an entire res change of RO/DI/Distilled water ph'd
For coco systems a flush would constitute passing enough RO/DI/Distilled water to have runoff. I look for 20-50% container volume worth of runoff.

Nothing suggests that either is exhaustive or exclusive. Both methods of evaluation can be done in parallel, and other suggestions appended to methods of test.

Flushing hydro dosent leave you long till the plant does suffer, i felt that with coco too. Soil i felt i could manage

CannaBruh said:

It could be a simple bias test where you use your own bio assessment for the flushed vs non flush. This might assume a cure, or you could consume the plants as soon as dried.

If your plants need a cure to be consumed I'd recommend a flush

For lab tests, no cure necessary. Once material is dry submit to lab gram for gram flushed for fed.

Flushing is however one wants to define it within context of application.
For this experiment semantics need to be set aside and flushing be defined as NOT FEEDING.
For hydro systems a flush would be an entire res change of RO/DI/Distilled water ph'd
For coco systems a flush would constitute passing enough RO/DI/Distilled water to have runoff. I look for 20-50% container volume worth of runoff.

Nothing suggests that either is exhaustive or exclusive. Both methods of evaluation can be done in parallel, and other suggestions appended to methods of test.

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..i made the mistake of viewing ignored content... only to find naysayers not wanting to participate in experiment and perpetuate mythology from forum history... only to note that if poster had gone to older forums and applied same logic they'd be stuck in a feedback loop...


challenge still stands;

To reiterate the intent is to demonstrate efficacy in flushing as described by my post above.

If you want to try to refute then I welcome you to the experiment and look forward to your participation. Waiting for you are 250 beans of pre98 Bubba Kush x Symbiotic Mimosa... what do you have to lose?

CannaBruh said:

Because it cannot be demonstrated that it DOESN'T work.

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Most certainly can. (I just caught this line)

By flushing a crap load of water through the media, every time it can handle it, for 2 weeks.. WILL restrict a plant from reaching strain potentials!

We are now back to the testing of the material....The final weight, and lightly...bag appeal.

CannaBruh said:

It could be a simple bias test where you use your own bio assessment for the flushed vs non flush. This might assume a cure, or you could consume the plants as soon as dried.

If your plants need a cure to be consumed I'd recommend a flush

For lab tests, no cure necessary. Once material is dry submit to lab gram for gram flushed for fed.

Flushing is however one wants to define it within context of application.
For this experiment semantics need to be set aside and flushing be defined as NOT FEEDING.
For hydro systems a flush would be an entire res change of RO/DI/Distilled water ph'd
For coco systems a flush would constitute passing enough RO/DI/Distilled water to have runoff. I look for 20-50% container volume worth of runoff.

Nothing suggests that either is exhaustive or exclusive. Both methods of evaluation can be done in parallel, and other suggestions appended to methods of test.

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#1: You have serious problem with understanding. You have no idea just what wonderful things a cure does. I find your first line , delusional....During a tour of one of the finest tobacco plantations in the Dominican Republic (Cigar), I asked the head grower If they ever flushed the crop at the end of the growth cycle.. Once that was translated, he gave me the stink eye. "What ever for?" he asked. "No, no amigo. That would ruin the crop quality." I had already stopped flushing years before...But I just had to ask. Once explained about the source of the question (he asked). He said "AIEEE,oh no, even the Hierba grower does not "flush" as you say. He hangs in curing sheds....Let me explain curing......" That was an interesting experience from a related agriculture ,,,in a way.

#2: INCORRECT! The whole point OF the cure is what it does for the material!

NOT FEEDING is not FLUSHING! Your doing a fade to finish. ANY plant when subjected to loss of nutrition will feed off it's self in a last ditch effort to reproduce, or to get to finish the reproduction stage asap because it's DYING! Your just moving some nutrients around in the plant....

Even in coco, Flushing has been defined by magazine writers (and a host of book writing pot guru's) as putting at least 2x the pot volume of water through the pot when near dry for 2 weeks...

What now

Ohroan said:

What now

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Now its up to you to use your own common sense and discretion.

I see a bit of mildew, shitty deal. Flush slowly for 3-4 weeks before harvest by giving less nutes or making sure you stop giving your organic amendments at the right time. If you want to stress your plant more you can flush with a lot of water 1-2 weeks before harvest, it works for some, slowly giving less nutes and letting your plant know its time to make buds and triches without shock is the best in my opinion.

When I was in Spain I met a guy named George Servantes I asked him if he ever flushed and he pulle out a joint the size of a burrito and as we toked he told me " you see this fat ass joint, if it wasn't properly flushed your ass would be coughing and your eyes would tear up like a motha fucker, so he said I always flush. At this point I was so high and stoned out of my mind that he kinda resembled Jeebus and so Ive been flushing since then. Have never coughed or felt like tear gas has invaded my lungs.
So long story short. JUST FUCKING FLUSH!!!
YOU CAN TANK ME LATER NOOB

Mr bones ,your ignorance is once again shining through!Flushing is for toilets and newbs,period!!!

nmibud said:

Mr bones ,your ignorance is once again shining through!Flushing is for toilets and newbs,period!!!

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This dude has never grown in hydro. Lol I even flush when I did in soil. Ur weed must be harsh asfuq.

No,I grow in perlite hempy buckets so what would I know about hydro?You are an idiot, you have no clue.I grow organically,why would I ever flush?Feed yopur plants what they need and you never have to flush!