When do you get a soul??

Kaendar said:
And as far as the miracles go, I have witnessed first hand a quadrapalegic walk.
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Did you know this person beforehand? Do you know details of his medical condition, i.e. why he was a quadriplegic? Did any doctors examine him ahead of time to verify he wasn't a plant? Faith healers are not above fraud as I pointed out above.
 
mindphuk said:
I have to give you a rep for actually providing links when requested. Most theists here have danced and dodged when they have made certain claims. The following point was something I was completely unaware. Thank you very much for providing those links
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Thank you. Another thing as well that was foretold was Isreal becoming a nation again. Im sure I dont need to provide links on that tho.
 
mindphuk said:
Did you know this person beforehand? Do you know details of his medical condition, i.e. why he was a quadriplegic? Did any doctors examine him ahead of time to verify he wasn't a plant? Faith healers are not above fraud as I pointed out above.
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It was actually a she. She was probably in her 60s and had gotten a cancer or tumor in her spine or something like that when she was younger. She was a member of the church and had to be brought every sunday in a special van. She was also one of those ppl that had the creepy wandering eyes and drool and awkward neck position.. but yea at a revival one sunday (it sucked, lasted like 9 hours) after like 40 minutes of intense prayer from like 5 pastors and everyone their they commanded her to walk and up she went. That was pretty convincing for me. Ive also heard peoples personal problems been told to them NUMEROUS times by pastors and ministers that had no way of getting that info, it was intense, I remember this one guest pastor we had was calling people out by the color of their shirt from another room.
 
Kaendar said:
Thank you. Another thing as well that was foretold was Isreal becoming a nation again. Im sure I dont need to provide links on that tho.
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Actually, Isaiah said that all Israelites will return to the homeland. There are many orthodox Jews that refuse to accept the legitimacy of Israel because it was created in turmoil by politicians rather than by the true Messiah, a king of Israel.
Another prophecy says that knowledge of God will fill the world, and the whole world will worship the One God of Israel. There seems to be a strong trend away from that.
The peoples of the world will turn to Jews for spiritual guidance. Mmmm, No.
How about the prophecy that all weapons of war will be destroyed? Not happening anytime soon.

All I can see is that you are picking and choosing which prophecies have been fulfilled and claiming that it is evidence that the end of days is near.
 
Kaendar said:
It was actually a she. She was probably in her 60s and had gotten a cancer or tumor in her spine or something like that when she was younger. She was a member of the church and had to be brought every sunday in a special van. She was also one of those ppl that had the creepy wandering eyes and drool and awkward neck position.. but yea at a revival one sunday (it sucked, lasted like 9 hours) after like 40 minutes of intense prayer from like 5 pastors and everyone their they commanded her to walk and up she went. That was pretty convincing for me. Ive also heard peoples personal problems been told to them NUMEROUS times by pastors and ministers that had no way of getting that info, it was intense, I remember this one guest pastor we had was calling people out by the color of their shirt from another room.
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I would find the argument for god more convincing if someone, anywhere, at any time regrew a lost limb. Why do amputees elicit such disregard? I'm sure many of them are faithful...
 
tyler.durden said:
I would find the argument for god more convincing if someone, anywhere, at any time regrew a lost limb. Why do amputees elicit such disregard? I'm sure many of them are faithful...
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Maybe the insurers are onto something when they classify dismemberment as an act of God.

I'd like to see microcephaly healed. Or Down's. That would impress even the arctic one. cn
 
mindphuk said:
Actually, Isaiah said that all Israelites will return to the homeland. There are many orthodox Jews that refuse to accept the legitimacy of Israel because it was created in turmoil by politicians rather than by the true Messiah, a king of Israel.
Another prophecy says that knowledge of God will fill the world, and the whole world will worship the One God of Israel. There seems to be a strong trend away from that.
The peoples of the world will turn to Jews for spiritual guidance. Mmmm, No.
How about the prophecy that all weapons of war will be destroyed? Not happening anytime soon.

All I can see is that you are picking and choosing which prophecies have been fulfilled and claiming that it is evidence that the end of days is near.
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Have patience. Im not picking and choosing anything. Everything has come true so far I doubt it will stop now.
 
tyler.durden said:
I would find the argument for god more convincing if someone, anywhere, at any time regrew a lost limb. Why do amputees elicit such disregard? I'm sure many of them are faithful...
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Thats a good question. But I guess if somebody lost a limb it was meant to happen. Dont quote me on that tho its just an idea. But, certain bad things do happen to ppl because its part of a plan for something better to happen in the future. That happens all the time. Sometimes ppl need something to make them appreciate life more.
 
cannabineer said:
Maybe the insurers are onto something when they classify dismemberment as an act of God.

I'd like to see microcephaly healed. Or Down's. That would impress even the arctic one. cn
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I have a feeling that when some ppl are born with disabilities it was meant to happen. God works in mysterious ways.
 
Kaendar said:
Have patience. Im not picking and choosing anything. Everything has come true so far I doubt it will stop now.
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I'm glad you're optimistic but I will believe it when it actually happens. There have been many attempts to rebuild the Temple from Roman, throughout the medieval times and even modern ones, and so far, still no Temple.
 
mindphuk said:
I'm glad you're optimistic but I will believe it when it actually happens. There have been many attempts to rebuild the Temple from Roman, throughout the medieval times and even modern ones, and so far, still no Temple.
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But trust me, its gonna happen soon. As long as you dont completely reject that it will happen I have no problem with your opinion. I understand any doubt, especially in the times we live in.
 
Kaendar said:
But trust me, its gonna happen soon. As long as you dont completely reject that it will happen I have no problem with your opinion. I understand any doubt, especially in the times we live in.
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See, this is an attitude I can respect from a theist. I am just so tired of people telling me I'm doing something wrong by being skeptical of any belief. Of course it's mostly from just a few people, but they are very vocal....CWE.
 
mindphuk said:
See, this is an attitude I can respect from a theist. I am just so tired of people telling me I'm doing something wrong by being skeptical of any belief. Of course it's mostly from just a few people, but they are very vocal....CWE.
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I wish others on this site could be mature and have the respect you do.
 
Kaendar said:
A simple google search turns up plenty of proof of the paranormal. Not to mention plenty of TV shows on mainstream networks like discovery, history, and natgeo.
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What is the difference between science and pseudoscience? <--- serious question
 
Kaendar said:
I have a feeling that when some ppl are born with disabilities it was meant to happen. God works in mysterious ways.
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Seems like Christians long ago, turned from the idea of free will. It has become, especially among the evangelical, a fate based religion. Like Islam.

So, a religion defines 'god" out of whole cloth, will kill and burn, so sure of "right". And yet there is always this abdication of any understanding, at all.

"Mysterious ways" , "Inasha Aallah", is the same as "luck" and "roll the dice." Christians pray for good luck, for boons from god. Why, because the Church used to sell them. And in the same fashion, there are also prayers for bad luck to smoot and smite others.

Meant to happen? That's what the Boo Hoo Hudist, say about everything. Karma, fate.
 
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