When to stop inoculating

zzeroo

zzeroo

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This is a great site, so thanks for having me I'm not a newbie, but I'm not a oldbie either lol.i have a question about inculation and when to stop i have had the same routine for a couple of years myco at transplant and tea every 7 to 10 days . i use photo plus and mammoth p once a week .so my question is when would you stop inculating ... week 6 of flower ,the 5 week lol....i feel like im doing to much ANY info will help.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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zzeroo said:
This is a great site, so thanks for having me I'm not a newbie, but I'm not a oldbie either lol.i have a question about inculation and when to stop i have had the same routine for a couple of years myco at transplant and tea every 7 to 10 days . i use photo plus and mammoth p once a week .so my question is when would you stop inculating ... week 6 of flower ,the 5 week lol....i feel like im doing to much ANY info will help.
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I inoculate at every transplant and then top dress once after plants are in final home and roots have had a chance to push out, maybe a couple weeks before flower.
 
crimsonecho

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I innoculate with aacts once or twice a month but never let my mix completely dry and feed molasses and kelp to keep the colonies thriving. Near the end, last 3-4 weeks i just let it finish without innoculating with aacts again. That is the em and banana peel fpe time.
 
zzeroo

zzeroo

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Bugeye thanks for saying that in a nice way lmao...so yes im going way to much ....but seriously how can i tell...... i think im a good gardener..... i have my room dialed in at less 75 % of grows on average and by the way how do i even no when im dialed in anyway ...sorry for the incoherent rant but i have to say im frustrated with the game . over the last 6 years i have spent so much chasing pheno's that are like the breeder say, and buying leds to cmh lighting because they do this or that better im no fucking gardener i just read the bottle and do want it says ....i run the whole line of NFTG ask me what Mega Morpheus does for my plants LMAO..........and thanks crimsonecho
 
Bugeye

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zzeroo said:
Bugeye thanks for saying that in a nice way lmao...so yes im going way to much ....but seriously how can i tell...... i think im a good gardener..... i have my room dialed in at less 75 % of grows on average and by the way how do i even no when im dialed in anyway ...sorry for the incoherent rant but i have to say im frustrated with the game . over the last 6 years i have spent so much chasing pheno's that are like the breeder say, and buying leds to cmh lighting because they do this or that better im no fucking gardener i just read the bottle and do want it says ....i run the whole line of NFTG ask me what Mega Morpheus does for my plants LMAO..........and thanks crimsonecho
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You can't really overdo it! But at some point your good. It's better for organic grows, not sure if you are running synthetics, sounds like not. Anyway, grow them big!
 
Old Thcool

Old Thcool

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zzeroo said:
This is a great site, so thanks for having me I'm not a newbie, but I'm not a oldbie either lol.i have a question about inculation and when to stop i have had the same routine for a couple of years myco at transplant and tea every 7 to 10 days . i use photo plus and mammoth p once a week .so my question is when would you stop inculating ... week 6 of flower ,the 5 week lol....i feel like im doing to much ANY info will help.
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If you have a healthy soil you will only need to use myco once! It grows! Feed it and it spreads. No need to waste money.
 
Bernie420

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zzeroo said:
Yeah i do say i run Organic ,i do for the most part and thanks for your response Bugeye
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I think with the tea you have plenty of microbes going on and the mammoth p is kind of pricey. Might be best used at the end of week 4 through the beginning of week 7 and it'll carry over till the end.
 
zzeroo

zzeroo

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Sup Old Thcool , yeah my media is that #4 from necter for the gods i love it . Is it soil or hydro lol ...... I treat it like soil but I do ph my NFTG inputs :bigjoint:
 
zzeroo

zzeroo

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Bernie420 said:
I think with the tea you have plenty of microbes going on and the mammoth p is kind of pricey. Might be best used at the end of week 4 through the beginning of week 7 and it'll carry over till the end.
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thank you for that brother .......that is my new Mammoth plan that stufff is very pricey
 
zzeroo

zzeroo

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i ever use it in veg either Bernie420 i use it at 2.5 starting at week 2 until i got up to 4mils a gal and i stop for the most part at week 8
 
Old Thcool

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zzeroo said:
Sup Old Thcool , yeah my media is that #4 from necter for the gods i love it . Is it soil or hydro lol ...... I treat it like soil but I do ph my NFTG inputs :bigjoint:
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Well my take on that is, and I might get flack on this from others??? Peat or coconut husk products are mediums not true soils. A soil is typically composed of organic matter that is either hot composted or cold composted. The first, is bacterial and the second is fungal dominant. Combined with mineral soil and perhaps an amendment for adequate drainage they create soil. There is no requirement to add any extra material to a well balanced soil beyond feeding it with additional material.
A medium on the other hand is built up with ingredients that typically require the user to actively add to it throughout the growing season. Neither is better or worse than the other, just different in the way we treat them. Each has its share of positive and negative things.
However, when it comes to fungi, they will continue to grow if adequate nutrients are available for them and a healthy environment. You are establishing a colony and once it is in place you only need to keep it alive.
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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zzeroo said:
i ever use it in veg either Bernie420 i use it at 2.5 starting at week 2 until i got up to 4mils a gal and i stop for the most part at week 8
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You can use it as a tool to get more phosphorous any time. Whats mammoth p = they advertise it as a phosphorous solubizing microbe. I think its good when you want to try to get more phosphorous but the tea gives you a wider variety.

I would only use it 1/4 to 1/2 strength thats just me though - if I did use it, but I dont.
 
zzeroo

zzeroo

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Old Thcool said:
Well my take on that is, and I might get flack on this from others??? Peat or coconut husk products are mediums not true soils. A soil is typically composed of organic matter that is either hot composted or cold composted. The first, is bacterial and the second is fungal dominant. Combined with mineral soil and perhaps an amendment for adequate drainage they create soil. There is no requirement to add any extra material to a well balanced soil beyond feeding it with additional material.
A medium on the other hand is built up with ingredients that typically require the user to actively add to it throughout the growing season. Neither is better or worse than the other, just different in the way we treat them. Each has its share of positive and negative things.
However, when it comes to fungi, they will continue to grow if adequate nutrients are available for them and a healthy environment. You are establishing a colony and once it is in place you only need to keep it alive.
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then i need to reuse medium and see if it better
 
zzeroo

zzeroo

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Bernie420 said:
You can use it as a tool to get more phosphorous any time. Whats mammoth p = they advertise it as a phosphorous solubizing microbe. I think its good when you want to try to get more phosphorous but the tea gives you a wider variety.

I would only use it 1/4 to 1/2 strength thats just me though - if I did use it, but I dont.
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Check ...I hear you loud and clear
 
Old Thcool

Old Thcool

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I think, given the cost of ingredients, it warrants the use of a control. Plants lend themselves to this quite well, in fact, the very nature of container growing isolates each from the other and makes such tests not only easy but kinda fun. Grow one container with and one without, it's really that simple. But to be sure your results are somewhat fair you can do things to make the playing field somewhat even ie. pot size, medium, light and use clones plant the same time/way etc. Why? Because these days it seems it's all about the money. Plant product manufacturers make all kinds of fancy claims and don't tell you how they came to the conclusion it really does as intended. Because of the lack of regulation regarding most of these products there is little or no requirement for honest disclosure. We fall victim to wicked artwork or hearsay, maybe a test on Yoo toob that is so unscientific or impractical that you wonder why they bothered to post it? The best way is to set up a simple test and do it yourself. When it comes to growing plants you can't have enough shit except for bull shit!
 
zzeroo

zzeroo

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Old Thcool said:
I think, given the cost of ingredients, it warrants the use of a control. Plants lend themselves to this quite well, in fact, the very nature of container growing isolates each from the other and makes such tests not only easy but kinda fun. Grow one container with and one without, it's really that simple. But to be sure your results are somewhat fair you can do things to make the playing field somewhat even ie. pot size, medium, light and use clones plant the same time/way etc. Why? Because these days it seems it's all about the money. Plant product manufacturers make all kinds of fancy claims and don't tell you how they came to the conclusion it really does as intended. Because of the lack of regulation regarding most of these products there is little or no requirement for honest disclosure. We fall victim to wicked artwork or hearsay, maybe a test on Yoo toob that is so unscientific or impractical that you wonder why they bothered to post it? The best way is to set up a simple test and do it yourself. When it comes to growing plants you can't have enough shit except for bull shit!
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very well said!
 
Old Thcool

Old Thcool

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The reason I am staying away from a true soil based medium for indoors is because of the fact that it can be home to unwanted pests quite easily. It is after all a living soil and as such other critters take to itbvery willingly. I’m just a beginner with indoor cannabis gardening but I’ve been doing outdoor on and off for many years. I’ve watched my friends on big grows and little ones do great and fail. I think it’s best to learn from others mistakes but be willing to make a few along the way.
 
zzeroo

zzeroo

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Old Thcool said:
The reason I am staying away from a true soil based medium for indoors is because of the fact that it can be home to unwanted pests quite easily. It is after all a living soil and as such other critters take to itbvery willingly. I’m just a beginner with indoor cannabis gardening but I’ve been doing outdoor on and off for many years. I’ve watched my friends on big grows and little ones do great and fail. I think it’s best to learn from others mistakes but be willing to make a few along the way.
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amen brother ..and i learned that lesson the hard way lol....i would go into the woods where i did outside grows and bring what i thought was black gold into my indoor garden lmao ..so now I just listen and learn from the pros.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Old Thcool said:
The reason I am staying away from a true soil based medium for indoors is because of the fact that it can be home to unwanted pests quite easily. It is after all a living soil and as such other critters take to itbvery willingly. I’m just a beginner with indoor cannabis gardening but I’ve been doing outdoor on and off for many years. I’ve watched my friends on big grows and little ones do great and fail. I think it’s best to learn from others mistakes but be willing to make a few along the way.
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Actually, it's much better to pontificate at the new guys and do harm to their grows from the panoramic vantage of the sheer brilliance of one's unsupported opinion. It is sooo much more satisfying than learning something.
 
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