Which light to get?

I am using the 1500W unit from CFl Growlight and am very happy with it. Yes, it ain't really 1500. But I've got 14 23w bulbs going. The reflector is super lightweight and very easy to raise and lower. I just hung a couple lamp chains from the ceiling and voila. Easy to raise for misting, tie down, etc. And easy to keep super close to the plants. You could build it yourself for less. It is nothing fancy. i have three plants under it along with two basil plants, one of which it amazingly brought back from death, and they are all happy. You can see pics in my journal for proof. I am growing in a 4x4x6 space and it is a little tight for the light.
 
GrowinDad said:
I am using the 1500W unit from CFl Growlight and am very happy with it. Yes, it ain't really 1500. But I've got 14 23w bulbs going. The reflector is super lightweight and very easy to raise and lower. I just hung a couple lamp chains from the ceiling and voila. Easy to raise for misting, tie down, etc. And easy to keep super close to the plants. You could build it yourself for less. It is nothing fancy. i have three plants under it along with two basil plants, one of which it amazingly brought back from death, and they are all happy. You can see pics in my journal for proof. I am growing in a 4x4x6 space and it is a little tight for the light.
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...calling it a 1500watt light only confuses the issue, ...and when you count the ACTUAL watts it just can't compare to what a similarly powered HPS would do.

...as i've said before, i've grown under nothing but CFLs before, for more than a year, so i know you can grow quality buds with them, you can even grow a sizable amount of bud with them, ...but i've also grown under HPS and i'm here to tell you that HPS is NOTICEABLY better, ...if it weren't so commercial growers wouldn't be using HPS, they'd be using CFLs.

trust me, you'd do way better with a single 400HPS.

peace, bozo
 
Warriorbuds said:
Go with the real 300watt bulb.....if ya can...your plants would love ya for it! lol
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they will love you like this.

Warriorbuds said:
Is this dead? Or worth trying to recover? Has anyone ever see plants this bad come back?


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justanotherbozo said:
...thanks man and if you don't mind waiting until later today, i'll post up some links where you can source all the parts as well as an explanation of the simple wiring.

btw, if you want to do some digging on your own the sockets are called 2g11's and the ballast is a Workhorse 8 rated for a max of 220watts and if you aren't the handy type you can find these in pre-packaged fixtures, ...marketed to people who raise fish i believe.

...anyway, when i come home i'll do some digging and see if i can't find those links for ya.

peace, bozo

...shit, here's a link to my clonebox build and i'm certain i included links in the thread, lol, ...i included an assload of pictures too.

my micro cloning factory...PL-L's and Walmart cloners doing the job!
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Man do you really hate people earning a living. How much do you think it cost them to make a LED or HPS light in China? Or what kind of markup is on your $100 Nike's or your toaster or blender. Those are all well under $10 bucks to make. I'd much rather pay a AMERICAN to make something for me than pay another country. Anyhow I own a few of those lights. (they work very well)
I priced out what a 2000w ($220 with shipping included) unit would cost to make and looking at the meager markup I'm trying to figure out how cfl-growlight.com is making any money.
The Y splitters are $2.39 each x 10; the sockets cost $2.49 each x 10; the cord and wall plug about $5 bucks; the metal hood is $10 bucks. So far we're at about $63 bucks in parts, but we've still got to build it and get the lights. The metal is hard as hell to cut and it was a pain in the ass configuring the hole locations perfectly, but I never was great a math. I just ended up using one of the units I already have as a template. Also, like most people, I don't have a metal bender so I tried to use a 2x4. It worked sorta ok but its not as clean as the ones I have from them. Also putting the cord together is not hard but its a bitch to get it to look like they do. All in all, building the hood wasn't really hard (except cutting the holes, that took a hour), but it look me about 2 1/2 hours and its not that great looking, but everything works!
So I'm in it 63 bucks and 2 1/2 hours, and now it time to get the lights. Looking online all over from ebay to amazon makes me glad I buy lights from them. They happen to have the cheapest CFL's online for the 105/400 watt bulbs and the smaller 6500k bulbs but they still run $3.69 each for those. They also have the 2700's for about $2.65 each. When I bought my units I received 24 bulbs with each unit (got 4 extra's for free) so lets be fair and use both bulbs 12 of each for this. That comes to about $75 bucks in bulbs.
Adding everything together comes to $138 - $140 ish, but that does not include my time which to me is worth much more than the $50 - $60 buck I might save. Plus when I look at the what he charges for shipping...$5 bucks for anyone in the US! He's loosing money on shipping for sure. He might make $40 50 bucks on a light, and he honors his "lifetime guarantee"
Conclusion: At $220 buck to my door for something that costs $140 in parts to make with at least 45 minutes of labor, to me that's a good deal. Since you talk s*** about American manufactures, maybe you should make your own toilet paper too since that markup is so big.
 
Again with that light!.......for $220!

Just off the top of my head......
12"x60" piece of duct063467111610lg.jpg is $20,which is enough for 2 30" fixtures.A 12 outlet power stripimages.jpeg $30 to make construction easy with minimal wiring.A couple screws or even zip ties,10 plug to bulb adapters and splittersimages-1.jpeg$25,a pair of ratchet hangers images-2.jpeg $10 and it's done for about $75 without bulbs.If someone is good at electrical they can buy the electrical components039008773289.jpg separately,wire it themselves and save about $10 per light on the cost.The better the skill of the builder,the better the "fit and finish" will be.
 
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dragongrower said:
Alright, what's it gonna cost me in electric to run a 400 in the veg and a 600 or 1000 in the flower tent?
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take your latest electric bill and figure it out. none of us know your cents/kwh.

400 watt light = .4/kwh - x 12 or 24hrs per day = daily $ elec usage x # of days = monthly ussage. a 400w @ 12hrs for a month is 144kwh = roughly 20ish$ pending your electric. my electric is .07/kwh ( dirt cheap ) so im bumping up my lights. But if you are in a newer residential or city it could be upwards of .33/kwh
 
Stankx said:
Man do you really hate people earning a living. How much do you think it cost them to make a LED or HPS light in China? Or what kind of markup is on your $100 Nike's or your toaster or blender. Those are all well under $10 bucks to make. I'd much rather pay a AMERICAN to make something for me than pay another country. Anyhow I own a few of those lights. (they work very well)
I priced out what a 2000w ($220 with shipping included) unit would cost to make and looking at the meager markup I'm trying to figure out how cfl-growlight.com is making any money.
The Y splitters are $2.39 each x 10; the sockets cost $2.49 each x 10; the cord and wall plug about $5 bucks; the metal hood is $10 bucks. So far we're at about $63 bucks in parts, but we've still got to build it and get the lights. The metal is hard as hell to cut and it was a pain in the ass configuring the hole locations perfectly, but I never was great a math. I just ended up using one of the units I already have as a template. Also, like most people, I don't have a metal bender so I tried to use a 2x4. It worked sorta ok but its not as clean as the ones I have from them. Also putting the cord together is not hard but its a bitch to get it to look like they do. All in all, building the hood wasn't really hard (except cutting the holes, that took a hour), but it look me about 2 1/2 hours and its not that great looking, but everything works!
So I'm in it 63 bucks and 2 1/2 hours, and now it time to get the lights. Looking online all over from ebay to amazon makes me glad I buy lights from them. They happen to have the cheapest CFL's online for the 105/400 watt bulbs and the smaller 6500k bulbs but they still run $3.69 each for those. They also have the 2700's for about $2.65 each. When I bought my units I received 24 bulbs with each unit (got 4 extra's for free) so lets be fair and use both bulbs 12 of each for this. That comes to about $75 bucks in bulbs.
Adding everything together comes to $138 - $140 ish, but that does not include my time which to me is worth much more than the $50 - $60 buck I might save. Plus when I look at the what he charges for shipping...$5 bucks for anyone in the US! He's loosing money on shipping for sure. He might make $40 50 bucks on a light, and he honors his "lifetime guarantee"
Conclusion: At $220 buck to my door for something that costs $140 in parts to make with at least 45 minutes of labor, to me that's a good deal. Since you talk s*** about American manufactures, maybe you should make your own toilet paper too since that markup is so big.
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When you call up a distributor and order a 1000 or 10,000 of something you get it for pennies on the dollar.
I buy a lot of stuff from local stores. I find that you get a better product that last longer.
 
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