White House Administration escalates war on U.S. News Network

Either way, the ratings system takes distribution into account..... so ur arguing a moot point.

FOX DOMINATES the market.... it is PLAIN. It is SIMPLE. It is WHY Obama is lowering his status to weigh in on the subject.

CrackerJax said:

Nielsen creates a "sample audience" and then counts how many in that audience view each program. Nielsen then extrapolates from the sample and estimates the number of viewers in the entire population watching the show.

Pay attention and learn something.... If Nielsen wants to "meter" MSNBC...they set up a representative sample for that show and then meters it.

So it is possible to measure Fox directly against MsNbc. In your convoluted world, you think it's impossible to measure accurately. It's not... like I said....when big money is riding on it.... a methodology is found.... always.

It's how FOX can charge more per minute of commercial time.... the ratings system is intergal to the stations bottom line...... it's not a gray area.

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Nielsen Television Ratings are gathered in one of two ways:
1. Viewer "diaries," in which a target audience self-records its viewing or listening habits. By targeting various demographics, the assembled statistical models provide a rendering of the audiences of any given show, network, and programming hour.
2. A more technologically sophisticated system uses Set Meters, which are small devices connected to televisions in selected homes. These devices gather the viewing habits of the home and transmit the information nightly to Nielsen through a "Home Unit" connected to a phone line. The technology-based home unit system is meant to allow market researchers to study television viewing habits on a minute to minute basis, seeing the exact moment viewers change channels or turn off their TV. In addition to set meters, individual viewer reporting devices, such as people meters, have allowed the company to separate household viewing information into various demographic groups, but so far Nielsen has refused to change its distribution of data of ethnic groups into subgroups, which could give more targeted information to networks and advertisers.


Now tell me how the phuck you see what you saying makes any sense to anyone but you ...If someone participates in the rating system using a set meter but only had basic comcast cable..how in the hell they are going to tell if they watched MSNBC when its not even in their channel line up..Goes back to my point that Fox is on your basic (standard) line up..MSNBC is not, so more people are able to see Fox then MSNBC...Now advertisers see that more people watch Fox because Fox has more exposure....Do you need me to post the Basic channel listing for all cable outlets so you can see how right I am..And they don't "meter" MSNBC or FOX...they meter what the person is watching...Now I hope you learned something, but you being "Cracker the Lollipop" I doubt it

CrackerJax said:

So, back to the thread.....

FOX now dominates the airwaves.....

Obama wants to swipe at their reputation..... it's his mistake to make.....

The ppl must like what they see on Fox compared to other news media..... isn't that the real problem for lib's? It sure is.....

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hey I was watcing leno today and he was like, i forget the joke but somthing to this effect:


Leno: "Barak obama today annouced that they are going to win this war no matter what against afghanistan and fox news"


the whole audiance exploded into laughter and cheers



I wish I could look at Ram Emanuals face when somone shows him that clip


what an ass clown. they are laughing at him

its scary that they could be so wrong about this, you have to think what other truly important things are they wrong about?





"big talk little do"

doobnVA said:

What kind of libertarian are you, specifically? Libertarians are supposed to be advocates for civil liberties, so why are you attacking the ONLY party that clearly demonstrates an unwavering dedication to that very cause?

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come on you know these guys can't say they Republicans...To damn ashamed...now they everything but Republican..but watch how they vote and watch how they talk ....gives them away everytime

CrackerJax said:

Either way, the ratings system takes distribution into account..... so ur arguing a moot point.

FOX DOMINATES the market.... it is PLAIN. It is SIMPLE. It is WHY Obama is lowering his status to weigh in on the subject.

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You have yet to show proof to this fact...when I in fact told you how it works...stop making a fool out of yourself or show us all just how distribution is taken into account...show us the link..heres my link showing that they do not take it into account http://www.howstuffworks.com/question433.htm/printable .... please tell me how they take into account what you have in your tv line up ( what type of cable package you pay for ).
FYI
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/08/14/tv-producers-advertisers-hope-to-make-nielsen-ratings-a-thing-of/

londonfog said:

come on you know these guys can't say they Republicans...To damn ashamed...now they everything but Republican..but watch how they vote and watch how they talk ....gives them away everytime

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id be more worried about being a limp wristed liberal government chump



but what the heck thats just me

Big P said:

id be more worried about being a limp wristed liberal government chump



but what the heck thats just me

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dude liberal is not a bad word to me...

Big P said:

hey I was watcing leno today and he was like, i forget the joke but somthing to this effect:


Leno: "Barak obama today annouced that they are going to win this war no matter what against afghanistan and fox news"


the whole audiance exploded into laughter and cheers



I wish I could look at Ram Emanuals face when somone shows him that clip


what an ass clown. they are laughing at him

its scary that they could be so wrong about this, you have to think what other truly important things are they wrong about?





"big talk little do"

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Obama has become a dangerous embarrassment. The amount of back biting going on in the White House on down shows Obama is not in control at all. He's being handled, and handled badly.

Almost as if he was a nooby senator with no real experience....



Yes London, MSNBC probably does run around shouting that they can't really be measured in the ratings....

Like I have said repeatedly.... all of the shows are measured against each other.... news against news.... FOX dominates all of the competition..... distribution points are taken into allowance. It's not rocket science.... it is measurable... it is measured.

The American ppl prefer FOX News. That is what has Obama in a PANIC. You too I might add... u seem to be panicking.

CrackerJax said:

Obama has become a dangerous embarrassment. The amount of back biting going on in the White House on down shows Obama is not in control at all. He's being handled, and handled badly.

Almost as if he was a nooby senator with no real experience....



Yes London, MSNBC probably does run around shouting that they can't really be measured in the ratings....

Like I have said repeatedly.... all of the shows are measured against each other.... news against news.... FOX dominates all of the competition..... distribution points are taken into allowance. It's not rocket science.... it is measurable... it is measured.

The American ppl prefer FOX News. That is what has Obama in a PANIC. You too I might add... u seem to be panicking.

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but you still show no proof of how distribution points are taken into allowance....wow ..I guess that means that you can't ...Don't worry I already knew you couldn't, because they don't...Maybe you should stop watching Fox so much so you can learn something...

You want me to teach you sampling statistics online? I need not prove it to you. You could get off the couch and learn for yourself that the Nielsen rating system is accurate..... I mean duh. Why would it be used if the ratings were all off?

Over and over again, you show a lack of basic common sense. I mean.... really.

CrackerJax said:

You want me to teach you sampling statistics online? I need not prove it to you. You could get off the couch and learn for yourself that the Nielsen rating system is accurate..... I mean duh. Why would it be used if the ratings were all off?

Over and over again, you show a lack of basic common sense. I mean.... really.

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ROFL...everytime someone ask you for proof you do and say the same thing.....FRAUD ...dude do you even grow.....Cracker there is nothing you can teach me..unless its how to lie and talk bs about things I don't know..so you say Neilsen is accurate..here son read this

Nielsen ratings have always been an imperfect system of projecting who is watching what when. The advent of DVR technology and internet-streamed programming have made the television ratings game even more challenging. So the major TV companies -- General Electric's (NYSE: GE) NBC Universal, Time Warner (NYSE: TWX), News Corp. (NYSE: NWS), Viacom (NYSE: VIA), CBS Corp. (NYSE: CBS), and Walt Disney (NYSE: DIS) -- have teamed together to fight against Nielsen, which not only delivers arguably flawed data, but charges a hefty fee to do so.
Advertisers, meanwhile, are also hoping for a new solution to figuring out the best time slots to reach a captive audience. Procter & Gamble (NYSE: PG) and AT&T (NYSE: T) are already on board with the media giants to develop a better system that would measure viewership across multiple platforms. (Currently, Nielsen polls 18,000 homes and tracks their viewing habits via a special remote control)....

heres the link again so you know it was not me sayin it....http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/08/14/tv-producers-advertisers-hope-to-make-nielsen-ratings-a-thing-of/

That does not mean that the ratings are not accurate enough to know who is dominating whom.

FOX is dominating all the other news agencies. The fact that after 3 pages, you are still in denial bodes to ur idiocy, not mine.

Today is Friday..... care to argue over that?

Can we move past the 3rd grade mentality and continue with serious discussion?

Or do I have to explain the basics of naming the days of the week and source each origin to ur satisfaction.

Now I know how the teacher feels having to stop every 30 seconds to explain it to the "slow" student.

Man you dumb as they come.... straight fraud...yeah you the perfect example of the type that watches fox and hold it as real news.... I don't argue things that are true only the false BS that comes from the likes of you...I proved my point ..... Next time you want to TRY to make a point..bring facts..links..info...something..... Don't just say "I don't have to prove how stupid I am. Go look it up yourself". Lame.... Cracker the Lollipop..straight sucker..

Just can't accept the nielsen ratings? Because they don't agree with your "opinion".

MSNBC accepts the Nielsens..... or do you now speak for them?

Please don't try and judge what's dumb or not. Ur not qualified.......

CrackerJax said:

Just can't accept the nielsen ratings? Because they don't agree with your "opinion".

MSNBC accepts the Nielsens..... or do you now speak for them?

Please don't try and judge what's dumb or not. Ur not qualified.......

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MSNBC does not represent everyone that voted for obama


BTW What the fuck makes YOU qualified ???????????????
No, Neilson isn't accurate Like YOU want it to be and if you are going to talk shit on people for not paying attention to facts then you should look at yourself crackerjax. I'm sure you are going to tell us your OPINION on a few more things as well. Nobody cares.

Cracker man you dumb...Did you not see the first post on this page..It tells you the companies that are against the Nielsen ratings with GE being one of them ...and as you know GE owns MSNBC...here I will paste whats already at the top of page maybe you can get someone to read it for you ....

Nielsen ratings have always been an imperfect system of projecting who is watching what when. The advent of DVR technology and internet-streamed programming have made the television ratings game even more challenging. So the major TV companies -- General Electric's (NYSE: GE) NBC Universal, Time Warner (NYSE: TWX), News Corp. (NYSE: NWS), Viacom (NYSE: VIA), CBS Corp. (NYSE: CBS), and Walt Disney (NYSE: DIS) -- have teamed together to fight against Nielsen, which not only delivers arguably flawed data, but charges a hefty fee to do so.
Advertisers, meanwhile, are also hoping for a new solution to figuring out the best time slots to reach a captive audience. Procter & Gamble (NYSE: PG) and AT&T (NYSE: T) are already on board with the media giants to develop a better system that would measure viewership across multiple platforms. (Currently, Nielsen polls 18,000 homes and tracks their viewing habits via a special remote control)....

heres the link again so you know it was not me sayin it....http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/0...gs-a-thing-of/

oasis515 said:

MSNBC does not represent everyone that voted for obama


BTW What the fuck makes YOU qualified ???????????????
No, Neilson isn't accurate Like YOU want it to be and if you are going to talk shit on people for not paying attention to facts then you should look at yourself crackerjax. I'm sure you are going to tell us your OPINION on a few more things as well. Nobody cares.

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I totally agree that MSNBC doesn't represent.... etc.

Let's just keep it in context. The entire trouble started when I merely pointed out that FOX dominates the news ratings across the board. Now this is NOT in dispute by anyone except LONDONFOG, who simply discounts anything which doesn't match his world view. No matter that MSNBC abides by the ratings... LONDONFOG doesn't!!! No siree, he knows BETTER!!

I made no comment on who represents who ... on either side ... but simply mentioning the OBVIOUS about the ratings is enough to set LONDONFOG off on a tangent... basically wasting everyone's time.

Don't get mad at me.... I accept obvious data placed in front of me. I use common sense. If FOX wasn't dominating the media competition... does anyone (besides LondonFog) think the govt. would be attacking them?? That makes sense.... doesn't it? Just plain non political sense..... not for LondonFog.

Like a super genius he is.

Fox News is like the popular goodlooking kid on the playground who spreads rumors and talks shit. Somebody has to call them out and mess up thier haircut.

BTW-----i mean no personal insult to anyone-just thier aguments.

no the problem started when you told me I didn't know anything about how ratings work...I just like showing how much you don't know...Believe me Cracker I laugh my azz off now when I post back and forth with you ..... I'm like wow people like this really do exist....

londonfog said:

Cracker man you dumb...Did you not see the first post on this page..It tells you the companies that are against the Nielsen ratings with GE being one of them ...and as you know GE owns MSNBC...here I will paste whats already at the top of page maybe you can get someone to read it for you ....

Nielsen ratings have always been an imperfect system of projecting who is watching what when. The advent of DVR technology and internet-streamed programming have made the television ratings game even more challenging. So the major TV companies -- General Electric's (NYSE: GE) NBC Universal, Time Warner (NYSE: TWX), News Corp. (NYSE: NWS), Viacom (NYSE: VIA), CBS Corp. (NYSE: CBS), and Walt Disney (NYSE: DIS) -- have teamed together to fight against Nielsen, which not only delivers arguably flawed data, but charges a hefty fee to do so.
Advertisers, meanwhile, are also hoping for a new solution to figuring out the best time slots to reach a captive audience. Procter & Gamble (NYSE: PG) and AT&T (NYSE: T) are already on board with the media giants to develop a better system that would measure viewership across multiple platforms. (Currently, Nielsen polls 18,000 homes and tracks their viewing habits via a special remote control)....

heres the link again so you know it was not me sayin it....http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/0...gs-a-thing-of/

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We all know CrackerJax never leaves his house.... I'll bet he's so defensive of the ratings system because he got suckered into being one of the Nielsen ratings box people. He probably thought it was a "work at home" opportunity, since Nielsen does pay the families who have the ratings boxes.