White widow almost dying, drooping to the max..

I've been an anonymous user for a while just reading threads and so on.. But this problem I really need some confirmation on..

Quick info:

White widow, soil 80% 20% perlite and drainage stones at the bottom, ph 6-6.5, flower age 28 days, temp around 75 F (23c) and almost a 2gallon (8l) pot and humidity around 50-55%, watering every 3 days with about 0.3gallons (1l) with nutes.
If more info is needed just ask.

The problem stardet yesterday after i got home. I watered the plant 2 days before that as usual with nutes.. But yesterday the plants fan leaves where drooping a whole lot, from being just fine the other night..
So i flushed it with ph neutral water just because i thought it might be some salts building up. But today the plant is in a much worse stade with the stem also dropping a bit.. So i checked the roots and some where groing out from the wholes in the bottom, i also lifted the plant out from the pot and the roots had a white color..

So, could it be overwatering although it was fine up till 2 days after the watering or is it the roots that doesn't get enough oxygen eventhough i have perlite and good drainage att the bottom? Or could it be some emergency N shortage making the plant droop that much?

Pics: http://img209.imageshack.us/i/dscn0994c.jpg/

Any kind of input would be much appreciated even if you're not sure your right.. Need any advice I can get! Thanks in advance!

Shit... Root bound maybe... I don't know for certain because I've never seen this first hand. That baby is giving up on you though.

The only two things that come to min, other than having too much root mass and not enough space, is heat and mold. The other plants look okay which is why I think root bound.

What size planter is your plant in, how old is it, how long has it been in that planter, and how much longer do you have to go?

That isn't a deficiency. That's either overwatering or root binding. A major heat problem could cause that appearance as well but the other two would also be affected.

The temp never goes over 79 F cus and i always got a fan on inside so I'm 100% sure its not heatproblems.. It stays from 68 at the lowest in night to 75 with lights on..

It could be root bound so as i checked the roots i changed it to a bigger pot, but it's already in a 2 gallon and now currently in a 2.6 gallon pot.
The plant is in total age 2 month old and 4 weeks of flower, the other ones have been treated in the same way thats why it's so weird that they seem to be doing just fine...

Should I just do a wait and see? Also the leaves are getting some brown spots so..I think it might be a funeral soon coming up for it... :/

Johaha said:

I've been an anonymous user for a while just reading threads and so on.. But this problem I really need some confirmation on..

Quick info:

White widow, soil 80% 20% perlite and drainage stones at the bottom, ph 6-6.5, flower age 28 days, temp around 75 F (23c) and almost a 2gallon (8l) pot and humidity around 50-55%, watering every 3 days with about 0.3gallons (1l) with nutes.
If more info is needed just ask.

The problem stardet yesterday after i got home. I watered the plant 2 days before that as usual with nutes.. But yesterday the plants fan leaves where drooping a whole lot, from being just fine the other night..
So i flushed it with ph neutral water just because i thought it might be some salts building up. But today the plant is in a much worse stade with the stem also dropping a bit.. So i checked the roots and some where groing out from the wholes in the bottom, i also lifted the plant out from the pot and the roots had a white color..

So, could it be overwatering although it was fine up till 2 days after the watering or is it the roots that doesn't get enough oxygen eventhough i have perlite and good drainage att the bottom? Or could it be some emergency N shortage making the plant droop that much?

Pics: http://img209.imageshack.us/i/dscn0994c.jpg/

Any kind of input would be much appreciated even if you're not sure your right.. Need any advice I can get! Thanks in advance!

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You need to transplant to a bigger bucket! ASAP! Roots out the drainage hole is a good sign that they ran out of room to play.
White roots is great!

some plants,depending on the root structure could need up to a 5 gallon bucket to give the roots enough room.but like the others said..if its not over/under watered..its rootbound.also i would check the runoff ph...you could be using a neutral ph water...but the soil will have its own ph

It would be helpful if you could take some pictures of the pot the plant is in, the plant as a whole maybe(including the pot), and some photos where I believe you described the roots coming out of the bottom of the pot. It does seem like it is some type of a problem with the potting, maybe gravel at the bottom and being rootbound.

Yeah I'm sure it's not the heat but since others will read these threads in the future, it's good to list all the possible causes of a plant looking that way. As Asquad said, please take pics and include one of the roots with the plant pulled from the pot. You should repot immediately and let the soil dry out well.... or just cull her. In my experience, 5gal buckets are good for at least 80 days of flowering. Original Haze plants flowering over 110 days do better in 6gal buckets or even bigger.

Your pot size is to small. Plants in pots that are to small will become root-bound and they will wilt/droop easily either because of not enough water in the soil enough of the time or through the need for frequent watering that then gives them too much water much of the time. Either one will cause wilting/drooping. They are also easy to burn even with mild nutrient solutions and you can get either stunted growth or stretching and you will get slower and smaller bud production.

Growing indoors I never use pots smaller than 5-gallons and most times I use 7-gallon pots and when I grow outdoors on my deck I use 15-gallon pots and sometimes even larger ones.

When it comes to pot size you cannot go too large, but you can very easily go too small.

its not overwatering, its underwatering, after heavy watering the plants dry out quicker than normal, if your plants got its root space all taken up you can have to water more often than earlier as well(i heavily water every water myself as do alot of the other veteren growers on here, riddleme wrote a great guide on here explaining it better). Trust me ive seen this many times, its not nearly as bad as it looks, give the plant a real good watering and it should perk right up. Overwatering droop is different looking.

I hadn't looked at the picture but after looking I would agree that it's under-watering and not over-watering, but that is also part of what happens when someone grows in pots that are too small. With so many tightly wound/packed roots there is not enough soil to retain enough water long enough for the plants to take in all they need.

At this point I would not consider re-potting but I would consider using a drip try that is deep enough to allow some water to stand in it so what soil there is can draw up more water from the drip tray as the water in the soil is taken up by the plants so they get enough water. With the amount of roots in pots that small there just isn't enough soil to retain enough water for plants that size for long and because of it they dry out very fast.

The only other option, and not the best of ones, is if there is enough height left between the tops of the plants and the light(s) so the plants could be raised, roughly an inch or two of the bottom of the small pots could be cut off and then set the small pots into low but wide pots with more soil. For the best results the roots would need to be scored so they would push out into the new soil but either way it would keep more moisture in contact with the present soil and root-ball which would get more even and constant moisture to the plants when they need it.

A heavy watering is a temporary fix and will need to be repeated over and over again and that has risks.
Letting pots sit in water in drip trays can cause root problems if allowed to sit too long so you really have to keep an eye on it and not overdo it, so that has risks.
Cutting the bottoms off pots of plants that far into flower and putting them into other pots with more soil is not as risky as re-potting, but it still does have some degree of risk.
Re-potting is a real risk.

What's happening is part of the problem of growing in pots that are too small. A problem begins and it remains an ongoing problem. If it is discovered too late to safely re-pot into a larger size pot none of the options left to take are all that good and the simplest one is only a temporary remedy that will need to be repeated often and it is not without risks.

Root bound

Underwatered

Get a bigger pot

Fill bottom with a bit of soil

Hold your current pot of soil upside down

Place your current block of soil into new pot

Poke the block up a bit to make some holes for easier irrigation and air passage

Fill sides of pot

Water copiously

Watch plant get back to life

Well the plant is still somewhat alive today.. Actually the fan leaves have started to raise a bit after i replanted it in a larger pot.. But there are some brown spots on the plant now.. But i guess thats common..

But should i really water it again? I checked the soil and it's still a bit wet from the last flush..and that was 2 days ago.. So isn't it just adding to the problem if i water a soil that's already a bit wet?

Someone asked about the runoff ph..that's what i meant, it's around 6.5 at most times..

http://img139.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=dscn0995j.jpg
Some more pics from today with the new pot.. its about 70cm, 27.5 feet and the with the pot 35.5inch

Classic dehydrated looking plant!

Definitely looks like a root issue to me. Root bound???

Well i gave it about 0.4 gallons of water and might give some more tomorrow.. I'll check back with some updates then! Thanks for the help.. I also told the lord upstairs that I would give 20€ to the Red Cross if he helped it get through

Well today the plant has risen a bit more actually and seems to be recoperating.. But there is one last thing I've gotta ask.. The flowers and leaves have got some brownish color here and there and i was wondering if it will fight through it and get its natural color or if those places already are dead..
Cus there is a lot on the top of the plant, probably from drying up so bad.

Should I remove the plant as whole due to the fact that it might start to mold and hurt the other plants or just cut of the bad parts? Or will it be okay if I just give it time?
http://img16.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=dscn1001f.jpg

First pic really shows what I'm talking about..

the ones that are all brown and crispy, yes. The rest leave alone.

Okay..thanks for all the help!

Well the white widow did make it, but it took it 4 days for the leaves and buds to stop drooping, but it was already to brown and dried up on the flowers so i tossed the bastard..

But I don't know if i should be pissed of at my self or something else, cus now another plant (which i forgot to water, 4 days without water), Super lemon haze show the exact same symptoms..but it's in a really big pot, good ph and everything.. So I watered it but the plant doesn't seem to want to be taking up any of it.. And i've watered it some more with about 0.3 gallons the first time then smaller amount after with a few hours between.. Shouldn't a plant who is just a little bit dried out show recovery within the hours?