Hotwired
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Can I move near you? People here doing it for $5 a gram. In the south. Go figure. I'm told it's all from Cali and Col.
Why are there so many Trump supporters on RIU?
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abalonehx
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lol.. except that Trump is a yuge Trump fan. His #1 fan actually.
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Fogdog
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abalonehx
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Never said there wasn't science involved. Knowledge & experience are necessary to know how to maintain the environment and to know what to look for. The green thumb is of course, a myth. Just sayin' it ain't brain surgery.
Fogdog
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Oh yeah. I've heard indoor is the best. I go through about one ounce a year at most. One hit off a bong and I'm done -- I can't even type. I smoke only at the end of the day and probably only 3-4 nights a week. What I'm growing keeps me happy and is nearly free. If I were motivated to try to grow the very best I'd go indoor. I do visit the bud porn here. I've thought about it.
My point is that weed prices are crashing in Oregon. One article recently published average dispensary price at about $7 a gram at the dispensary, so the grower is getting what? $3.50 maybe? Maybe a hundred an ounce or $1600/pound?
In a typical scenario for a market cycle, the first products are expensive and not that good. Quality drives the market, not price at first. As the market matures, everybody left standing is producing high quality so price becomes the driver. Growers work to develop efficiency while keeping quality high. As the market shakes out the inefficient producers, the last remaining are producing good quality at a low price. We are seeing this happen in Oregon. I don't think the black market in Oregon is going to last very much longer. The law was written to encourage competition and taxes were kept down for the same reason.
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MichiganMedGrower
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I only grow indoors. There is so much weed from caregivers, dispensaries and outdoor medical and guerilla grows that the market has become flooded. The quality used to be horrible. It has improved. And the people mostly only care about price.
I do fine. I produce from a perpetual garden at the highest quality I can. Proof of quality is posted here often. Average price is about 2/3 of what I expected to be my low price point.
I don’t deal with grams or a lot of people either. No traffic wanted. I had a contract with a dispensary but they made a point to prosecute us for selling our overages a couple years ago. So it’s just patients now.
And it has gone seasonal for price wars with the outdoor crops. Average indoor growing caregivers are going down to $100 an ounce for patients. I don’t have to go quite so low even in volume. But with 2 more lights going I could compete. I only spend $150 per month total on electric and supplies/ genetics to produce at least what you said you are (about a pound
). I just do it a couple of plants at a time every week or two to stay within plant count and meds on hand allowance. It’s a bitch with the stupid laws here but I have managed to stay within guidelines so if raided I will have the protection of the medical guidelines in court.
I agree there will always be a market for quality. But the customers have many options now.
And we haven’t even gone rec yet.
Black Widow c Blue Lemon Thai.
These plants have cured Mrs. MMG’s internal cysts.
Potting soil grown. Minimal natural based fertilizer. HID lighting. No CO2. Clean and potent.
But for most I have to compete with cash crops prices now. Well I have to be in the ball park.
MichiganMedGrower
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Yup. I never even watered a houseplant before 4 years ago. I did take growing very seriously though and spent a lot of time and money learning and setting up.
After that it seemed much like keeping fish tanks I had when I was a young stoner. It’s almost all environment.
Jimdamick
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In the early 70's you could smoke some of the best herb in the world, no seed, like real Columbian Gold, real Panama Red, real Mexican Michoacán (best herb on the planet, imho), and the highest price I paid was like $75 per zip, so to see those prices today, it's like what the fuck are they selling at that price?
I'm sorry, but $40 for an oz retail scares me.
I like quality, not quantity, so then again, I'd bet that if I offered my $15 gram of herb up against a $7 gram of your basic herb, put them on a counter, I would sell out faster than the $7 gag weed.
That's just my experience.
abalonehx
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What was that Michoacán like? All in the Head?
Fogdog
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I hope you don't think I'm disagreeing with you about the quality of your product or your price. When I went into a dispensary during the first year pot was legalized I was confronted with a dizzying array of weed at the counter with only smell and THC analysis to help me decide. To uninitiated consumers, price also equates to quality. Turns out that smell can be misleading and judging quality based on price is a fools game. THC content doesn't give the consumer the whole story either. How the weed is cured, terpene chemistry and CBD play a role in the experience. So, how is the consumer to decide? If I didn't know it was yours, how do I compare one vs the other when it's just sitting in front of me? It takes a while for consumers to get educated too.
As far as the $40/ounce stuff goes, I told you already, I haven't tried it. The reviewer said the smoking quality was just OK but the deal was good. My guess is that growers are dumping what they couldn't sell while they get ready for another growing season. I'd also worry about pesticides in the cheap stuff. Pesticide aren't controlled or even measured in the legal market in Oregon.
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MichiganMedGrower
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See that’s the problem. Newer legal states have new start up dispensaries and the weed is horrible. I grow myself because I was so disappointed in the weed here.
But slowly and surely the greedy and poor growers fail and the good ones persevere.
Now the cash cropped and most caregiver and outdoor here is not good enough for us. Mrs. MMG tried to get good meds in Colorado for her cancer infected dad end of last year and could not find any comparable quality to ours at a few stores she tried. So it ain’t great in retail anywhere due to cash cropping.
But to use your example. The $7 weed will likely still sell faster than your $15. It is good enough for most.
And the reality is now $5 and $10 for most places. Even illegal states.
Be prepared and flexible with the market is my advice. I spent over 20 years in the new and used car and truck industry. I made a lot more money selling Buick’s and gmc trucks than I did selling new jaguars and used high line cars looking back.
And customer service is important now. After years of dealing with ego maniac psycho growers and dealers. I offer incentives to my patients to get more.
I am a newer grower but I have been in the game since the 80’s.
And I used to pay $350-$400 per oz in Colorado a decade ago for my personal stash. Those days are almost over everywhere.
Jimdamick
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Fuck soil, go water.
I grew in soil for around 10 years, and then went full hydro and never looked back
Especially for you where you want to get as much product per plant because your limited legally (I don't give a fuck), I would highly recommend setting up a small RDWC system, as from my experience you will get larger, healthier plants with less effort.
This is a view of my grow that I am actually starting to cut, if I ever get off this site
It is in a 12 pot modified Hydro Farm system under 1800 watts HPS.
Simple and effective.
Fuck dirt
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Fogdog
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You have about 30 years experience too. That makes a difference. Nice grow, by the way.Fuck soil, go water.
I grew in soil for around 10 years, and then went full hydro and never looked back
Especially for you where you want to get as much product per plant because your limited legally (I don't give a fuck), I would highly recommend setting up a small RDWC system, as from my experience you will get larger, healthier plants with less effort.
This is a view of my grow that I am actually starting to cut, if I ever get off this site
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It is in a 12 pot modified Hydro Farm system under 1800 watts HPS.
Simple and effective.
Fuck dirt )
Jimdamick
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I'm Irish, I love disagreements.
Life would be very boring without them, because we would all agree, and that's just not right.
UncleBuck
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so a 2k watt grow keeps you up until 4 am every morning?
MichiganMedGrower
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Fuck soil, go water.
I grew in soil for around 10 years, and then went full hydro and never looked back
Especially for you where you want to get as much product per plant because your limited legally (I don't give a fuck), I would highly recommend setting up a small RDWC system, as from my experience you will get larger, healthier plants with less effort.
This is a view of my grow that I am actually starting to cut, if I ever get off this site
View attachment 4137920
It is in a 12 pot modified Hydro Farm system under 1800 watts HPS.
Simple and effective.
Fuck dirt )
I like soil. Working with it makes me happy. But I am considering either full hydro or a drip system and peat mix for a separate monocrop to boost inventory.
I grow a different strain/cross every week or two for variety. I set up what I considered a connoisseur grow for us and our family and friends. But to compete with $1600 a pound which I think will be pretty standard for top shelf for a while here (I still get an average of $2k). I need a monocrop for sure.
I wasn’t growing for volume. Only highest quality. But yield comes with achieving plant potential. It went up with the quality over time.
Sour Wreck
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welcome to my ignore list new retarded member